Curiosity

[paul laffing]

Also Moslems and Judes believe in hell and satan.

Since when do Jews believe in Hell, hm? You tell me that. In fact, today in Hebrew School, we discussed how Jews DO NOT believe in hell.


Anyway, about everything else. But first of all, if you are converting to satanism, go to the Hotel California. You even get to see all the old rock bands.

Anyway, DO NOT COMPARE THE UNITED STATES TO THE CCCP. If you know anything about The Soviet Union, then you wouldn't even say that. Stalin, one of the most infamous leaders, would kill people and then have their entire life erased, and even erase them from pictures. And also, about the emails, I would rather have them read my emails than have terrorists writing emails to each other. Also, we attacked Japan after they invaded China, an ally of ours at the time.

Japan is a very interesting county, though. You know that they would not have anything to do with the outside world for centuries. They have just started modernizing in the last 100-200 years, I believe. And the first handguns made in Japan really sucked because they had no experience with anything of the sort, and Napoleon was beaten by a bunch of Irishmen with sticks.

And I did not get my information from the American school system, because if I did, everything I said would be actually untrue, not just untrue according to you, but I read books. And I am not an expert at the Great War or World War 2, but if we had an argument over the American Civil war, I would dominate.

And I believe that Mohammad, Jesus, and Abraham (from most recent to least) are the greatest politicians that ever existed. I mean, think about it. They based all their beliefs on something that could neither be proved nor disproved! They were geniuses!

[Roke]

Didn't the US declare war on Japan because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour on Sunday, December 7, 1941?

[paul laffing]

Yes, that is another reason, and the biggest reason, but when it invaded China, we started to get weary.

[Gro'bul]

yep congress passed a declaration of war on the axis the day after pearl harbor.

[Crocket]

Mishrack, since when could Christanity have anything that is factual? Who here believes God and Jesus are real?

I DO. And yes I have proof. I have personally seen miracles come from people praying and asking God for things.
And if you believe in Jesus Christ, you FEEL it in your heart. I cannot explain this, it is just there and it is real. Not to mention all the hundreds of archeological evidences that have been discovered.

That's all I've got to say about that because opinions are hard to change and the ones I have seen here probably will not change.

And about all the anti-American crap. It is not worth my time trying to argue because like I said before, opinions are likely not to change.

GOD BLESS THE USA

I also consider the English as brothers and sisters and I respect Tony Blair as a leader the same way I do George W. Bush.
They are great and courageous men for standing up against what the rest of the world was saying and stopping that madman(Saddam) from gaining any more power.

I will not even try to argue this point any further.

Topic Closed

[Senk Kluuspointe Gren]

And I believe that Mohammad, Jesus, and Abraham (from most recent to least) are the greatest politicians that ever existed. I mean, think about it. They based all their beliefs on something that could neither be proved nor disproved! They were geniuses!

I belive they were great as well. Shame none of the religions that followed actually obey many of the guidlines that they set down,
"Thou shalt not kill" for example.

Druid based religions have two very simple and easy to follow laws:
Harm none,
Do as you will.

And I don't see why you quoted me, paul, I didn't say that!

[Caranthir the great]

Paul Laffing, I was not comparing CCCP and USA as countries, I said that the methods they use/d to engage wars with smaller countries were/are similar. Even thought you seem to beg for a deep-analysis of the similarities of US and CCCP, I'll do that when I got more time.
That might even give me some kicks

Anyway, DO NOT COMPARE THE UNITED STATES TO THE CCCP. If you know anything about The Soviet Union, then you wouldn't even say that.

Does that 'knowing' include any propaganda that the education system of USA wants you to believe about Soviet Union? Something like it was the absolute evil with no meaning but to bring headache to you americans, threaten the world peace and freedom? I would not be too suprised if you would be teached so, even if this would stand in the stable ground of nonsense. I am happy that it was USA 'won' the cold war instead of CCCP. Frankly, I lack any symphaties towards CCCP itself - good riddance I'd say. To equalize the sitiuation I lack symphaties for US either, and I did actually have them towards you after september 11th. I am not the only one who experienced this around here, your governement did excellent job in wasting the sympathies flooding from around the world, GOOD JOB - Re-election here I come!

Napoleon was beaten by a bunch of Irishmen with sticks.

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You DO know that Napoleon was in power during 1799-1815, right?

They are great and courageous men for standing up against what the rest of the world was saying and stopping that madman(Saddam) from gaining any more power.

Excellent, absolutely fabulous!
Job well done, now go home!
Just one thing.. who is going to stop you when needed?
If USA proceeds into this direction, it will become the greatest threat to freedom and world peace.

My two cents.

[Bloodhearte]

Oh come on...Bush is a moron. He ALWAYS makes reference to God in about every one of his speeches, even the one at the U.N. This wouldn't bother Americans, as they see Christian theocracy as a good thing...

However, how would you feel if a Japanese ruler, everytime he made a U.N speech, said 'Amaterasu Omikami bless Japan.' You would feel awkward, and probably offended if you were another world leader that follows no or a different religion.

Whatever happened to the 'separation between church and state' deal? This country was founded on secular morals, because our founders were sick of the Church of England pushing them around. So the Puritans came here, and pushed the citizens around . Oh, and don't think the 'running around burning witches' period was at any end. Stupid ancestors, I'm ashamed, haha.

It's great that people have nationalist feelings in their country, but they have to remember that there are loads upon loads of places that are probably better than this.

Simply put, no matter how oafy Americans get, they will always be ignorant, wanting to nuke everybody, and do whatever the hell we want. Why? Because America has the bombs. Fight the power yo! The fuzz is coming after me!

[Mishrack]

Ancient history is very VERY interesting.
Alright, Gro'bul, which is your favourite ancient civilisation?

[Gro'bul]

gosh how can i pick just one? Greece is probobly my favorite, I like china too.

[Mishrack]

Good point.
What's interests you most about Hellas then?

And which dynasty in china?

[paul laffing]

I belive they were great as well. Shame none of the religions that followed actually obey many of the guidlines that they set down,
"Thou shalt not kill" for example.

Common misconception. The actual commandment is that "thou shalt not murder." And you may say, "Oh, but war is murder!" Not true, according to the Torah. In fact, there were even wars described in the Torah.

Also, the Swiss are evil! They put holes in their cheese to save money!

And the thing about Napoleon, I was kidding. I showed that with the smilies, but Caranthir insists on taking every little comment seriously, I guess. I have a million more things to say, but I guess I shall save it for now.

[Gro'bul]

well i like the romans and how can you forget the mongolians. hellas? you mean helenistic culture or what? like under alexander the great. cool stuff. ack not sure wasnt it the chin that they built the great wall? I like genghis khan, smart guy. werent the huns from mongolia, or the northern steps of china? atilla the hun was nutz, he backed off of rome cause of something the pope told him, and i heard he died of a noseblead.

[paul laffing]

I shall always love studying the USSR. I find that former country amazing in everything that went on in it, although, sadly, it wasn't really communist. Still interesting now, and it sort of is a ancient Civilisation. Also, a question. Before Germany was Germany, wasn't it called Burgandy? Or was that France?

[Gro'bul]

burgandy was a kingdom i beleive, germany or maybe it was france was called gaul. after that it was the holy roman empire (most of it anyway) cant forget frederic barborossa, smarty tried swimming with armor on and drowned, during the third crusade.

[Mishrack]

Burgundy is a region of france.

And Gro'bul
firstly, Hellas is where Hellenistic culture derived from and is the original name of Greece. Alexander the Great was from Macedonia NOT Ancient Hellas aka Greece.
Alexander the Great had conquered all of the known world by age 32.

secondly the Great Wall was built during the reign of Emperor Shi Huangdi (Qin Dynasty). The Chinese built walls along their borders as early as the 600's B.C. During the Shang and Zhou dynasties, walls were built between Chinese regions which were fighting with each other. Walls were also built to protect China from outside invaders. Emperor Shi Huangdi of the Qin dynasty (221 - 206 B.C.) is regarded as the first ruler to think of the idea of the Great Wall. He thought of connecting existing, older walls with sections of new wall. The building of the Great Wall continued into the Han and Sui dynasties. Contrary to popular it belief, it was not as much used to keep enemies out, but more to make a return with spoils more difficult.


Ghengis Khan was from Mongolia, and not China. The Mongolians were some of the most intelligent warriors of the time and yet they were the most barbaric as well. They were extremely ruthless but still in many ways they had one of the most advanced cultures of that era.

As for The Huns, they were not from Mongolia, there were however hordes of Mongols in Eastern Europe who were fighting the Huns. Also Attila was not dumb he had to relinquish forces from Rome because he was already battling the Mongol hordes who were comparitively heavier against his territories. Also Attile respected the Pope who had been trying to achieve peace throughout the East by sending missionaires to Mongolia and China and converting the non-Christians in which to establish peaceful reign. This was referred to as Sinology - "sciences of China". And apparently he died of a nosebleed but more importantly a brain aneurism which caused a nose bleed.

[Viola Thistle]

Huang Di united many separate villages between the Yellow River and the Yangtze River a LONG time ago. The following story is how his wife, Empress Lei Zu discovered that silkworms make their cocoons out of silk threads.

One day the Empress sat in her garden benearth the mulberry trees. Outside the garden walls was the noise of a typical market. Inside the walled garden it was quiet and peaceful.

She called to her maid to bring her afternoon meal to garden as she wished to eat outside.

Soon the empresses' favorite meal was presented - turtle meat with garlic and ginger, candied fruit, rice and jasmine tea. When she lifted the cup of tea to her mouth something fell in it.

There, floating in the hot water, was something small and round and white. She looked into the mulberry tree and saw hundreds of the little white cocoons were dangling right above her head.

The empress lifted the cocoon out of her cup. It was made from a thin, bright thread, wrapped a hundred thousand times around the silkworm. The hot water had begun to unravel it. Lei Zu pulled gently at the end of the thread and drew it out, longer and longer and longer. The thread wrapped the garden dozens of times and looked like melting silver.

The empress took the threads away and wove them into a cloth that shone like water in the sun, and from the cloth made a robe for the Emperor. The named the cloth silk and only the royal family would know the treasures of the silkworm cocoon.

Huang Di is thought to have ruled around 2690 BC. Lei Zu is also known as Xiling Ji.

Anyway, that's my favorite Chinese story/folktale and I thought I'd share it with you all.

Viola

[Caranthir the great]

"Oh, but war is murder!" Not true, according to the Torah. In fact, there were even wars described in the Torah.

I am sorry, but I will still keep my opinion that only defensive war is 'allowed' (And by this I do not mean USA-style defensive war). Generally, you should not take literally writings in books that have been written thousands of years ago, when the reality was much different than nowdays. This same goes with bible (which in my opinion matches with what I said above), even thought I am a christian it does not mean that I agree on all the teachings/claims of my church without questioning them.

And the thing about Napoleon, I was kidding. I showed that with the smilies, but Caranthir insists on taking every little comment seriously, I guess. I have a million more things to say, but I guess I shall save it for now.

My bad, I deeply apologise.
As for me taking every little comment seriously.. Every? Plural, so there are some such other mistakes I made? I would appriciate if you would point them out so I may avoid repeating them in future, thank you.

[paul laffing]

I'm sorry, but that was in expectations of you making a comment about my swiss thing.

And also, I have conversed with a rabbi on the matter, and he said generally what I said before, as I was kind of, sort of quoting him, almost.

[Crocket]

That is what many bible scholars and most Christians believe.
"Thou shalt not kill." means cold blooded murder.

War is not murder.

Also, removing Saddam from power IS an act of self defense.
He has openly supported and trained terrorists and has manufactured chemical and biological weapons for the purpose of selling them to terrorists, or using them himself.
There was a future threat to the US.

[Roke]

Hmm, perhaps the next target for the US to attack should be themselves? During the Iran-Iraq war I believe they supported Iraq and supplied them with weapons, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Gro'bul]

? its cercomstancial, then they werent helping terrorist drive planes into buildings, i dont think so anyways.

[paul laffing]

Hey Roke, remember that little war between the pinkos and afghanistan? Do you know who supplied the afghanis with weapons? Take a wild guess...

[martin]

During the iran-iraq-war, the US supplied both, iran and iraq, with weapons.

Martin

[Caranthir the great]

He has openly supported and trained terrorists

No proof but accusations and assumptions made by the coalition, there would be no logic in any Al-qaida - saddam alliance, since these two share absolutely opposite views about the Arabic world, and such non-religious arab rulers as Saddam are enemies of groups as Al-qaida.

and has manufactured chemical and biological weapons for the purpose of selling them to terrorists, or using them himself.

Funny, but weren't the UN weapon inspectors the ones whose job was to solve these questions? Yet your governement did not want to give them enough time to make any conclusions wether Iraq had weapons or not anymore.
Now we are supposed to believe some american inspectors who propably frame the Iraqi's anyways? Sorry but I am not buying this.

Isn't it funny that USA doesn't let anyone to inspect their research-facilities for chemical and biological weapons? Isn't it funny how the time given to Iraqi's to obey the UN orders was matter of weeks or days, while Israel has got what, 39 years to obey the UN resolution which ordered them to retreat from the palestinian territory they had taken over and they still haven't done it. Double-moralism or what?

[paul laffing]

Isn't it funny how the time given to Iraqi's to obey the UN orders was matter of weeks or days, while Israel has got what, 39 years to obey the UN resolution which ordered them to retreat from the palestinian territory they had taken over and they still haven't done it. Double-moralism or what?

What are you rambling about? Israel was given the Palestinian territory by the british, and the current map is basically the UN partition plan!

[Boremier]

Hey come on people we should'nt be talking about that damn war on this! this is supposed to be an escape from the real world so we should'nt be talking about this here! I hate even thinking about this damn war!!! Grrrrr

[Caranthir the great]

What are you rambling about? Israel was given the Palestinian territory by the british, and the current map is basically the UN partition plan!

Actually no, ever heard of the Six day's war?
Here is a map of the Israel territory before the war: http://www.iris.org.il/borders.htm

UN-resolution 242.

http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION ... penElement

I quote part of the text from official UN webpage:

Resolution 242 (11/12/67)

1. Affirms that fulfilment of charter priciples requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the middle east, which should include the application of the following priciples:

i)Withdrawal of the Israeli armed forces from the territories occupied in the recent conflict.

1979 March 26: Camp David Agreement signed between Egypt and Israel. Israeli withdrawal from Sinai starts, and goes on for the next 3 years. The second part of the agreement, which dealt with autonomy for the Palestinians on Gaza Strip and the West Bank, is never observed from Israeli side.

My point was not anti-israel or anti-jew, it was just in my opinion a good exaple of how two countries get absolutely different treatment from the USA side.
If you give country A. 30+ years to disobey UN resolution, why the hell does the country B. have to obey in matter of days?

As you being american, I hope that you can give me a answer, I can be convinced with good arguments. However, 'because they are our allies' is not proper answer - That will only prove my point:

Double-moralism or what?

[Gro'bul]

iraq had some 10 odd years or more to disarm, we gave them plenty of time.UN inspectors did not work because the iraqi's can move the weapons before they inspect, i saw on the news a guy carrying a box full of papers out of a building before the inspectors got there, a little suspicious? and we did find banned al-samood missles or however its spelled.the fact that he killed so many of his own people is reason enough.

[Roke]

I thought it was up to the UN to decide whether Iraq was complying with the rules set down, not the US. Then again, the UN seems to be one giant puppet for the US at times.