Curiosity

[Caranthir the great]

Hehe.
What was that about alcoholism and finland I heared about?

Martin

Lies! All lies!

Well, seriously..

Did you know that Finland is only on average level in usage of alcohol in europe?
The only difference is that when a frenchman drinks bottle of wine/day, we drink booze, usually as much as we can get at one time and all during a single night.

Alright; I am generalizing.
Amusingly enough, during a party some weeks ago I asked a French exchange student what she thinks are the best and worst things in Finland.
She replied 'The best? People. Worst? People when they are drunk'

[Bloodhearte]

*Yawn...*

America probably has (one of) the worst education rates out of any other developed country in the world, and me being an American teen, I got...

20/20

[Brendan Mason]

I'm Druid for smile's sake, even I knew that Chrisianity is probably the only religion with the NEED to encourage everyone else into it and convert people (After all, if you're not christian, then apparently you're going to hell).

I'm a Wiccan, and I've had experience of this. Once, my local priest came to my house, and pleaded for me to give up such "sinful" business as the "darkest of magicks!!"

I could have sworn he was one of those American televangelists.

I swiftly cited my reasons for my religion change....and he backed away.



Now, as for all of this war talk, Paul LAffing, you seem to be influenced by the "Medal of Honour" games, proclaiming that the US won the war single handedly...just not true.

Then, some other person, proceeds to label the Nazi Part and the Germans as one...not a wise thing to do, in my eyes.

Just a thought,
Brendan

[Bloodhearte]

Forgot to mention a few things...

I'm sorry that the people in this country seem stupid, but a thirst for intelligence isn't as valued as the ability to hand out concussions in American football.....here.

Japan's education system puts me to shame. Even the mentally handicapped gets put in the same stream of class as everybody else, and they spend less on education than us...oddly, they STILL manage to beat the pants off us at about every test. They're only educational problem are colleges, which are more like recreational centers for the hard testing they had to put up with for so many years. Ever heard of Juku? The cram tests that are about impossible for the weekend warriors to pass? Those are things the average student MUST take.

Or how about France? Unlike our tests, their tests takebrain power to solve; they're not multiple choice. They Have a grading scale from 1 to 20 rather than letter grades, and the students there are happy just to get a 12 on the average assignment. Their classrooms also aren't covered with lame arse posters and colorful distractions everywhere, like our schools. Jebus, they even have philosophy classes over there! If we did, I would sooo be there...

I'm not going to say that we are the only country full of flaws, but we seem to outweigh the flaws according to my view...the constitution clearly states separation between church and state, also the 'innocent until proven guilty' idea for law. Guess what? We're slowly coming closer and closer to a theocracy thanks to good ol' Bush, and some ideas about law, such as the one I've mentioned, have pretty much been thrown out the window. Here, you can decapitate a guy, and get off nice and easy if you have a lot of money. However, if a hobo gets caught littering, he's screwed for the most part.

There's a funny joke on a paper in my French class...

The Japanese eat very little. They have a lower heart attack and obesity rate than America and the British.

The French eat a lot. They have a lower heart attack and obesity rate than America and the British.

The Japanese drink little red wine. They have a lower heart attack and obesity rate than America and the British.

The Italians drink a lot of red wine. They have a lower heart attack and obesity rate than America and the British.

Explanation: Eat and drink what you like. Apparently, speaking English is the problem.

Phew...quite a bit of ranting. In case you haven't already noticed, I'm an anti-American 16 year old living in America. So much irony it hurts from laughing! Anyway, I envy all of you for living in lands that have centuries worth of culture...it's not that great here.

[Chris Killeron]

Now, as for all of this war talk, Paul LAffing, you seem to be influenced by the "Medal of Honour" games, proclaiming that the US won the war single handedly...just not true.

The US won the war by themselves? Sorry to upset any of you who believe it but get real. America were isolationists at the time and did not want anything to do with the war in europe and the war in asia. They weren't bothered about anybody till they got attacked at Pearl Harbor in '41 and that's when they came in and from my knowledge they were bothered on Japan and Japan only while Britain and the others were concentrating on fighting the Swastika gang (lol) in Europe and Africa.

The only way I could see the US winning the war single handely was with the war with Japan when after everybody stopped fighting, America decided to drop several atomic bombs on Japan just so they got the message. Sure America made sure no one would cowardly attack them again (for a few decades anyway) but they didn't want in the war till someone forced them.

I have several other views but I don't want to drive the subject off topic even more than before...

By the way: 17/20

[Caranthir the great]

By the way, it is amusing from certain perspective to see that the (currently) world's only superpower (If you don't count us Finn's ) uses methods very familiar to its former mortal enemy, the Soviet union.

Soviet union used exactly same strategy as US. when they (soviets) tried to conquer finland. Only thing different is that when Soviets claimed that we had bombarded them with artillery, the US wages war for the chemical weapons. They both wanted to set up a puppet governement, more or less in their leech and be seen as 'Liberators'.
I do agree that Saddam should have been removed, but stepping intentionally on UN's toes was not the proper way to do it.
If you try to puppet Iraq, how long do you think that they will continue to see you as liberators? Do you believe that they want dictator just to be changed to another? I doubt.

Also, your 'With or against us' politics and childish behaviour are extremely amusing. Freedom fries?? Freedom toast? Alright, then I suppose that the French may have their statue of Liberty back.

[Gro'bul]

bah, dam thing is made out of copper. well anyways, if the US was fighting japan only, why did they send a whole army to europe? it was either the 1st,2nd,or 3rd army, not sure. Stepping on the UN's toes? what else do you do when somethings in your way? you go around it. Everybody has a right to disagree, but, you dont have to try to stop people around you. I, for one, am not represented by my country because i did not put them in power as i cannot vote.Still, and for the most part germany, people should not be looked at for what their country did in the past.

[Senk Kluuspointe Gren]

I love watching American war films and thinking,
"Where are all the British troops that dominated most of World War II in Europe?"
then I remind myself that the American soldiers probably accidentally shot them all somewhere between their usual blowing up schools thinking they're military outposts or something.

The Japanese eat very little. They have a lower heart attack and obesity rate than America and the British.

Have you ever heard of any British fatasses having to be cut out of their home because they're too damn huge to fit through the door? I don't think so.

And Brendan, I lean towards the Shaman side of things myself, been trying to astrally project for years. So what's so 'Dark' about your magicks then? Lol

[Bloodhearte]

Don't forget, Cuderon, I think that test is just a wee bit inaccurate with that Christianity question...I could've sworn that the answer was inconclusive, as Christians and Muslims are at a deadlock with their number of followers.

Too bad it isn't Buddhism or Taoism ...people could really use a good, secular, intelligent foundation for life.

It was rather funny...one of those converting wierdlings approached me just about a year back, asking if I would become a good Catholic. Bah, selling paradise like it's some patent medicine! Unbelievable...

So, I was a Buddhist for a short time, then decided my will power wasn't strong enough to support my beliefs in high school. Therefore I became a space cowboy with homework and the due dates, thereby solidifying my fears that Buddhism isn't for me...oh well.

Atheist power yo!

[Chris Killeron]

thanx to this religon talk im converting...

save me satanism

or maybe buddism but buddha reminds me of an enlightened john goodman!

[Senk Kluuspointe Gren]

Just remember, Chris, Satanism is still a Christian concept.

[Bloodhearte]

Buddha wasn't as fat as he portrayed, actually. He was actually almost thin to the point where he would've died...the fat Buddha just represents happiness.

Heck, we don't even know if the Buddha existed. The only clues we have are cryptic Sanskrit, a wheel, and a sketch of a foot.

BUT ANYWAY....

France sounds good right about now. Take a whiff of the cheese! TAKE ONE! The French actually EAT the stuff. But, if you don't like French food, you don't like food. The French are the only ones that can look at a a ham sandwich, dripping with cheese, and say "do you know what that needs? A FRIED EGG on top!"

Screw war, war is for people that can't solve problems like adults.

[Chris Killeron]

Just remember, Chris, Satanism is still a Christian concept.

It is isn't it? Damn!

Saying that isn't hell and evil a concept of Christianity too because there's heaven and goodness too?

Fine when I'm inventing Wizzyality (wizzy's my nickname. my last names wilson so how do you work that out? lol) where you just don't give a crap about anybody than yourself. Maybe I could try it out on the game when I get accepted and rename is CK-ality,

[Senk Kluuspointe Gren]

I agree, Bloodhearte, it's a shame that Britain and USA are run by those two childish adolescents Tony Blair and George Bush. If you've ever watched congress or parlament gatherings, you get to see them throw tantrums live on air!

[Chris Killeron]

Buddha wasn't as fat as he portrayed, actually. He was actually almost thin to the point where he would've died...the fat Buddha just represents happiness.

Heck, we don't even know if the Buddha existed. The only clues we have are cryptic Sanskrit, a wheel, and a sketch of a foot.

Maybe Buddha did exist like Jesus was supposed to but were schizophrenic (however you spell it). I dunno where I pulled that one from but i did, oh well.

Oh yeah about the skinniness, he apparently went on a hunger strike till he found enlightenment (but failed) so are you telling me enlightenment is to be obese and well fed? I pulled that from nowhere too, lol

[Mishrack]

Actually, Satanism merely derives it's name metaphorically from the fact that it is against Christianity and it's oppression. Satanism is not actually a religion, but more of a collection of philosophies like Taoism or Budhism.

[Senk Kluuspointe Gren]

Fine when I'm inventing Wizzyality (wizzy's my nickname. my last names wilson so how do you work that out? lol) where you just don't give a crap about anybody than yourself. Maybe I could try it out on the game when I get accepted and rename is CK-ality,

There's already a philosophy like that, can't remember what it's called off hand, but it's based around beliving that you are the only entity in the universe that actually exists, everyone else isn't real.

[Senk Kluuspointe Gren]

Mishrack, Christians and Satanists are the only groups in the world that belive in hell and satan

[Mishrack]

Im sorry if I confused you.
When I said satanist, I meant actual satanists... you kno, the members of Lavey's Church of satan?

Of course, there have always been and will always be diseased people who claim to be satanists to scare other people, and then burn things and such and such...
Then again, as so many times before with so many others - I must urge you to actually take the time to check out that what your saying is true, before you actually post it.

At any rate, if yo udig into real satanism, you will realise that it has sold old completely, just like christianity, and that no sane person actually follows it anymroe. Also - just like christianity - it is based on metaphors and not actual facts.

[Mishrack]

Oh, and another point. Chrisitans didnt always believe i nhell. They accidently "stole" it from the Norse mythologies, in which "Hel", Loke's daughter ruled the udnerworld.

[Aragon]

Mishrack, Christians and Satanists are the only groups in the world that belive in hell and satan

Thsi isn't right.
Also Moslems and Judes believe in hell and satan.



By the way, this board is for:

Everything about Illarion that fits nowhere else / Alles über Illarion, dass in kein anderes Board inhaltlich passt


And I don't see, where discussions about religione and war and history depends in any case to Illarion.
Please keep the boards to the subject, where it belongs.

[Chris Killeron]

Mishrack, since when could Christanity have anything that is factual? Who here believes God and Jesus are real?

[Mishrack]

You'd be surprised....

[Chris Killeron]

I probably will (ducks)

[Cheemona]

19/20

The first question was wrong... was just a matter of excitement.

[Brendan Mason]

My Magicks aren’t dark, quite the contrary. I practice only healing magick, luck magick, influencing and charm spells. Alright you lot in the back, sniggering at the thought of magick, it is perfectly logical. Tis only the transfer of energies from one area to another and using your inert Gods given abilities to use it for your own benefit and the benefit of others. Any physicists can tell you that it is impossible to create or destroy energies, only to transfer them. This is the principle under which Witches and other Magickians practice Magick.

For Wiccans there is also the principal of three. This is similar to Karma, in that whatever you put out into the world, magickal or non, will be returned to you three-fold, be the work good or evil. For this reason, most Wiccans only practice good magicks, to protect our own hides more than anything.

About Satansim. As people have said in bits and pieces, it is not necessarily a religion, more a philosophy which is opposed to authority. Many famous people are members such as Marilyn Manson. A similar “cult” (and I use the term loosely) is the Temple of Set(h), they too are anti-authoritarians.

Some people claiming to be Satanists (or Necromancers) use Dark Magicks for their own gains. This is often detrimental, and I have known people to go heavily into debt for practicing such things. It’s your choice, but don’t start whipping out your black candles to summon Abbaddon just yet!

Speaking of Necromancers, they aren’t evil people who summon the dead to do their bidding. They are in fact people who contact the dead (don’t ask) to tell them what the future holds. Remember kids, any word which has “mancer” at the end, usually is a means of divination. Pyromancer-person who sees the future through flames…the list goes on, but my fingeys are sore now!

Well, that was my rant…hope you enjoyed it. Any questions, feel free to ask.

[Bloodhearte]

As a matter of fact, I can't honestly say that I believe in a higher power.

If people to me are going to walk up to me in a street, I can say 'prove he does exist' and be done with it.

For example, if I was told there was an invisible, untouchable duck in the corner of the room, I would expect somebody to prove to me it does exist, not for me to prove it doesn't. They're presenting the idea, therefore they must back it up. Simple rules of the road .

Hm...speaking of Bush, has ANYBODY else here ever read 1984 by Orwell? GREAT stuff!

[Gro'bul]

Well about religion has to do with government in ancient civilizations, if you know alot about ancient history you can put the peices together to see why religion exists. ANYWAYS, people beleive what they beleive because they want to, but you cannot prove nor disprove any religion that in know of. Hinduism makes for good books though, karma,dharma and all that good stuff.

[Viola Thistle]

@Gro'bul - Hm. I like delving into ancient religion periodically. Usually I stray off the path of the well known ones though.

I borrowed a great book from the library for my son about ancient cultures and their views of how the world began. Wonderful book!

[Gro'bul]

im an ancient history buff what can i say.