Article: When I came to illarion....

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:54 am

Caranthir :

Well, so you think that if I put just a little bit of IC in my error-report on the technical board, it doesn't bug anyone. Sure, but why do we have rules in the first place then?`

Nope I dont think that. I said I dont see a problem with putting IC mixed with OOC into the general board. We have rules for a reason there is no rule against mixing IC and OOC on the general board. There is no justification for putting IC in any other board except Guild, RP and in my opinion General. Why should IC in the general board BUG anyone?

We have a RP-board, why screw with IC stuff on other boards? Guild board is partially IC, soon general and then what, graphics?

I said why the posts shouldn't go on the RP board. It was because there was a mix of IC and OOC in equal measure. That would of BUGGED more people if it was in the RP board. Keeping the posts together in the general board so the opinions of both character and player were juxtaposed, I thought, was an interesting way of doing things. We're always crying out for original things, well there you have something.

Seriously, I see NO need of putting IC here, that just makes things more complicated. Using brains is not forbidden.

I'm not sure of your point here. The IC didn't complicate things as far as I could see. No one mixing IC and OOC seemed to have a problem following the thread of both, especially since they said similar things. As to using brains is not forbidden, I dont know if you are suggesting I'm stupid or what. If it's not forbidden then try it and you'll see it's not complicated at all.

'Oh so the opinion about improving the accountsystem was your characters and not yours?!? Sorry!'

No, my character has no knowledge of the account system but I do. My character gave his opinion on the changes to the world he sees going on around him and what he thinks about it. I on the other hand gave my opinion about the changes to the game. I suggest, now you know using your brain is not forbidden, you read the posts again.

oh, and nearly forgot

still smiling. Sorry if this appears rude but I was ok till the using your brain bit.

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:36 am

Here is a post from Sirius, stated from Bror and GMcFly (one of the mods here) which board is ooc and which not.

ooc or ig

Drathe · Post by **Drathe** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:50 pm

Whats the problem here? why go to all this energy?

This is the genral board. In this thread I mixed occ with ic...so? I did it in an easy way to understand. I did not mix my and my chars words or views. It was clearly and easily marked and understood. I broke no writen board rules.

Some people obviously liked this style and did the same as me, some people did not. If you do not, dont read the 'IC' stuff, simple as that. But just to make 'those' people happy. I will not do it again.

And writing IC in the genral board is totaly differnt from doing it in Graphics, techinal board for the obviouse reason you char has no understanding of this. Where as the genral board, can and has had IC topics on it.

Out of all the things to bicker about like childern...*shakes his head*

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 8:48 pm

One thing has ever been a major question to me, though I never dared to ask it:
What is Illarion for at all? What is it's purpose?
Is that the fun of the players, by doing roleplay as they wish themselves? Sometimes it seemed to me, that this was the original purpose, but has gone lost somehow.
Or was it a testprogramm for the inventors, if yes, has it not since long become more for us? Or are we taking it too serious?

I confess that I feel like mannelig (this name is the most common to me) What is it, that has gone lost these days, that brought the fun in the game, though Pking,spamming,bad Rp,1000 of masterwhatevers and overcrowdedness of the big places?
(please don't hack on me, either if my english is bad or if you don't like this slight critisism)

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:58 pm

@ Lasukie

Fieps wrote: I say go away yourself and take a break, you can´t think clear, poor frustrated human who ignore all important questions like this.
Lennier wrote: Do you have a char who can played and knows ingame something about the old stories which he (your char) takes against others, or not?
But all what you can is to ignore these queries.

Why you didn`t answer? In the thread the question is written 4 times. You will answer the question if you will read this post?

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:47 pm

I doubt he has a accepted account.
Didnt he even got a Life-Time Ban?
Its somewhere down in the Depths of the Main Forum.

Bror wrote: I have banned "sean" from the board.
He had several warnings and punishments (including ban) in the game and also on the boards in the past. He came back recently and started to cause trouble on the boards, without having a game account (i.e. he has no business here). Nothing seems to have changed in his attitude.

I will contine banning new accounts from him by the slightest misbehaving (unless he finds another GM or administrator who speaks in favor for him).

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:22 am

That hardly says lifetime ban, besides, that post said no board account, of which I clearly have.

GMcFly · Post by **GMcFly** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:41 am

I´m enerved <- since i have heared it, i like it.

That hardly says lifetime ban, besides, that post said no board account, of which I clearly have.

Dear Sean San,
its the time not worth to write it down but you can have it.

To better understanding, read first what Bror had wrote in the past.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:47 am

I have banned "sean" from the board.
(Clear)
He had several warnings and punishments (including ban) in the game
(Clear)
and also on the boards in the past. He came back recently and started to cause trouble on the boards,
(Crystal Clear)
without having a game account (i.e. he has no business here). Nothing
seems to have changed in his attitude.
(CLOUDY!!!)
I will contine banning new accounts from him by the slightest misbehaving
(Ok, better be good)
(unless he finds another GM or administrator who speaks in favor for him).
(Hmmm)

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:58 pm

And where you gonna find a GM that speaks in favour of you?

Xerake · Post by **Xerake** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:25 pm

People, people, people...it's a GAME, I shouldn't have to apply real life time to it...

Fine, if we want realism, let's go all out shall we?

Remove all races except humans, because they're factual.

Take away the coal in smithing, and trade it for crappy iron weapons, because steel wasn't something used in the Middle Ages, and coal wasn't even known.

Put in weapons that ONLY EXIST, not factual ones.

Go ahead and PK, for people sometimes killed randomly in the Dark Ages.

Let death be permanent, and let thousands die of the plague.

It would suck to have a real world, wouldn't it? Again, a GAME.

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:44 pm

Xerake wrote:Remove all races except humans, because they're factual.

Take away the coal in smithing, and trade it for crappy iron weapons, because steel wasn't something used in the Middle Ages, and coal wasn't even known.

Yes they did use steel and yes they did use coal.

Xerake wrote:Put in weapons that ONLY EXIST, not factual ones.

What?

Xerake wrote:Go ahead and PK, for people sometimes killed randomly in the Dark Ages.

I agree, but pk already happens and is NOT against the rules. So this is a mute point.

Xerake wrote:Let death be permanent,

I agree unless a healer comes by and resurects you within a time limit. No crosses.

Xerake wrote: and let thousands die of the plague.

disagree

Xerake wrote:It would suck to have a real world, wouldn't it? Again, a GAME.

I agree, it's a game, don't get so serious and just have fun.

But as in ALL games, there has to be a certain amount of realism involved.

Vindigan · Post by **Vindigan** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:46 am

I dont think he was seriusly proposing that that is what we should do, he was showing that games shouldnt be too realistic, and if thery were, that they would be rubbish.

Xerake · Post by **Xerake** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:16 am

But Crocket, I'm pretty sure they didn't...according to my World History textbook, Marco Polo came from an exploration of China and spoke of 'black burning rocks that provide heat' (coal). It was used in Asia, but not in Europe as so many seem to say...nobody believed good ol' Marco about the black burning rocks in Europe, and steel wasn't used until a later time near the Renaissance I believe.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:19 am

hes right,
and Illarions only trace to Feudal Japan is throwing stars...

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 5:52 am

You may be right about the coal, but I know they used steel.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 6:15 am

Are you now?

Steel wasent WIDELY used in Forging until the 1650's (semipurified) for fencing swords.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:03 am

Why does Illarion have to follow our time line...
It is only set in a steretypical medieval setting...not our Universe's Medieval Time.
Perhaps coal had been mined for Millenia in our time-line.
Perhaps steel is as common as muck in Illarion...which it is!
I hope I'm making sense, here people.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:05 am

pffle
why not go the extra bit and add phaser rifles and ray guns?

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:18 am

Even though steel was unknown in Europe in medieval times, iron hat still to be processed from iron ore. And to achive this you need to reduce it and get rid of the oxigen inside. And the best way to get rid of oxigen is to bind it with carbon so it would float away as carbondioxide.
However, Idon't know wheather they used charcoal for that during those times. But the point is that to make iron from iron ore you still need some kind of coal.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:45 am

The key word is FANTASY realism...are you people leaving out that word on purpose or just stupid? Please use the search engine...there are many posts with explanations by me and others concerning the theme of FANTASY realism inherent in Illarion. I have no wish to explain again what has been done countless times!

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:48 am

*shakes Elaraliths hand*

Well, I see now you can be a formidible and ally as you are a foe.

Elaralith raises an interesting question though....
how far in fantasy realism to to far?

P.S Sorry Elaralith for being a jerk before when I was here:(

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:53 am

Elaralith raises an interesting question though....
how far in fantasy realism to to far?

Ummm...where did I raise that question?
Anyways...I accept your apology, and you are forgiven...think nothing about it. Just please try to THINK before you post always in the future...to avoid ceaseless spammings. Thank you.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:55 am

I know you describe what it should be an all, but how far is to far in a fantasy universe? I am clueless as to this topic, I cannot word it much better...

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:49 am

Oh jeez...

It's a fantasy, and that fine, but if they're trying so hard to make it realistic, then they might as well suck all the fantasy out of it.

Aragon · Post by **Aragon** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:18 am

Btw. there was coal in the medival, gained from wood (don't know, how it is called in english). They build massive towers of wood and burned them and gained in the inner part of this tower coal. There exists also a job "charcoalburners" in medival time.
As far as I know, this way of making coal yet exists around 1000 a.c.
Sure, the qualitie of such coal wasn't as good as blackcoal gained from mines.

Bloodhearte · Post by **Bloodhearte** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:18 pm

Also, the coal wasn't high quality enough to forge steel from them...

Even if steel was plentiful in Middle Aged Europe, I doubt many could afford the weaponry.

Callith · Post by **Callith** » Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:52 pm

Ok I'm going to stop this arguing about when coal from the ground was discovered.

Coal, was found by monks in Scotland in the 1500's it was Coal from ground level, and as far as their wooden ladder would take them into the ground, it was small scale and domestic, Coal was basically mined this way untill steam power came about in the 1800's. This coal was very poor quality, and was usually a powdery substance. This coal could not have been used to make steel. However, charcoal makers had been around since Roman times, burning wood, to form as substance with the same properties of coal, it was used to smelt iron from iron ore, and needed extreamly high temperatures, steel is an alloy, and is not used in this game, what you make from iron ore and coal, is Iron, iron armour, and weapons. Not steel if your going by realistic standards.

However, this game is fantasy, and we have dwarfs, who live underground, and have done so since the beggining of their race, the best coal, would have been dug up by deep delving dwarfs, and due to their mastery of smithing, they will have more than likely produced steel from iron. So since the real world does not have dwarfs who can bring up coal from under the ground, the idea that coal shoud be removed is void, because the dwarfs can mine it underground.

I hope this clears things up about coal and middle aged Europe a little.