Article: When I came to illarion....

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:29 am

Summer, 2001.

I had been playing online games for nearly two years then. But the subject of roleplaying was far buried in my mind. I came to illarion, I dont know why anymore, but I came, and I played around june 2001. I did not talk much then, no one knew me, I was just sort of testing...

In August I created sean-san, I spoke in abbrv and I just wanted to be the best (of course I got multikilled my first day) My second day I met Carduel Ellis, and that was the start of learning.

Eventually I met people Like Silentgun, Cosmaterra, Galadria and Sir Sirius who taught me more about roleplaying. I exchanged U for YOU and Yo for Hello.

Silentgun thrust a guild on me in my fourth full month, I took that guild and waged war on Tal Rash (aww the good ole days) but now as many would say "The infamous legacy of Madman Sean begins"

Soon after I met Roke, Setherioth,and Astral (Lord Chaos) and Korwin (then Korn Muphin 2)

They later formed the Fighting Acadamy (Division of Dylucks magic school) Which later reformed to the principles of the Rangers.

After 2 or 3 minor wars fighting side by side with the rangers among a couple of smaller lesser guilds , by now I met Caranthir and Gurok (Incidently, I was helping Caranthirs side in a war against Guroks....boy do I regret that, lol) Instead of becoming friends with Caranthir (which I am now, how are ya buddy?), I ended up best friends with Gurok.

Well, before that, my guild at the time planted a spy in Guroks guild, and of course I ended up dead...

Well of course by now its the 13xxx days, I'd brought major guilds together at least once, and most people hated me,.
other events:
Failed Guild council
150 or so failed proposels
and maybe 15 friendships?

This did not detour me, as sean-san I led a final war, before changing into Lasukie-kai. or Kommandir Lasukie-kai or to Gurok and Veralion "Kia"

Lasukie was quiter, but still brought some things, I believe one war, and a few "inncidents" that brought the community together...

Well, after that comes lloyd, but thats a long and tedious story, then of course mannelig, another long and tedious story...

which brings me to now.

Boy did you guys mess up big time...

Lets start, something like 10 wars, 4 of them major....

Followed by the famous and rich and the famously rich getting whatever they want.

I used to think illarion was about the people, now it seems its about Dyluck, and Lyrenzia. All the good roleplayers have left, or thinking about leaving, theres only the newcomers, who are far and far between as most of them are caught up in skirmishes amongst warring factions.

Is it just me or did the server switch take illarion down the hole?

Ripple effect of server switch:
No Baldur
Accounting (hmm, liscensed powergaming , anyone?)
Stopped Accounting
Started Accounting
Stopped Accounting
Biasedness

ect ect

I miss the days when Badmosche would say "Muchi-Muchi" to me
as we traded war stories by the campfire, or having a smoke with cosma in the fluffy sheep or having OOC conversations with Aragon about car racing...

I miss great storylines like rooftop sniper, mirrors and demon attacks with purpose (spider king anyone?)

I miss being hyptnotised by Gala with Olo

now all I see is random town attacks, bored people fighting wars, and a whole bunch of once great people, who to protect themselves in this aging game, impose a foundation of laws that they lie about through thier teeth and cause geurilla strategies.

Illarion is a game, and it WAS a damn mighty good game. But it seems trollsbane = New Tibia as of late.

My name is Sean-san, I may not have an account, and right now, I dont know if I want one.

Thank you for your time.

(I may not have mentioned all the names I should, pls dont hurt me...)

Kasume · Post by **Kasume** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:48 am

Games grow and games change. It's just a time for Illarion. I am part of this time though. I guess you could call me one of those new people. Things are happening. The game is growing. People that have been playing the game just aren't used to the changes. It will get better.... I hope............

It is a intresting story to read about your time with Illarion though.

Drathe · Post by **Drathe** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:13 am

(IC) Everything changes, the town, the people. A few get a taste of power and strive to eat it on a daily basis untill their plate is not big enough to hold it all. Some are content to ride the flow and let things happen as they do, others dig in their heals and slowly drown. Life is crule and people are cruler.

'The old days' they were good times..at least you, I and a few others can have them times to remember...many people do not. Be thankful that you lived that time even if the time you live now is all but hell. As long as you have your good friends around you and a few gold coins in your pocket, you are rich beyond your wildest dreams.

(occ) The game is ever changing, for better or worse it will carry on changinging, if you wnat to make a diffrence, you have to work it from inside the game. Have you managed to get your self an account yet?

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:17 am

(IC)Drathe, many of my old friends left, or are cuasing this hell.

and if I had gold coinc in my pocket, surely some lierenzia weasel will snatch it for taxes as I walk into the shop to buy no equipment.

(ooc) Illarion has been going *makes a flush sound* since the server switch and email accounting. Its not new anymore, and all those whod o remember, have prolly went to tibia or at a friends playing D&D now.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:40 am

(IC) Change is the only constant. Without change we stagnate and rot. Too fast a change and people become confused and fearful. Fear is a predator and may yet kill us all. More sayings that sound profound but mean little come to mind but I shall not inflict them upon you. Things are changing and our choices are simple. Ride the wave and see what new shore of possibilities are made ours, or board a ship and sail to lands more settled and staid. I shall stay to make this land my home. It wont be easy, pleasure may be hard won , but I'm sure it will be interesting.

(OOC) I've been here since before the Darkening (server change and account system.) I miss the old times like most people. RP was easier back then as there were more people to RP with. Now there are few people left and we are not good enough to carry it off alone it seems. I have played all this time but still I am a poor RP'er. I was hoping that things would pick up, numbers increase and I could learn to play better. But, as Algoran says, I'm staying in the hope that it will get better. Who knows? By some fluke I might even make it slightly better myself.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:43 am

(IC) Change is constant, but sometimes big changes hurt the constance.
The darkening were these big changes, it hurt the constance of the flow of life in trollsbane.

(OOC) I play D&D on sundays, and goto SCA and Amtgaard events if anyone wants to know...

www.amtgaard.com
www.SCA.org

Burin · Post by **Burin** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:56 am

(OOC) Illarion to me was VERY interesting when I first played. I didn't know many people, and I didn't explore all of the land. I did not know much about skills either. I miss the days when I dig forever and finally find raw rubys. I used to shout, "Wow! Look, raw..rubys!" Now when I get them, I don't feel happy. To me, it is the same old rubys. Of course, this is how a lot of games are. You don't know much about it, and it is really interesting and fun. After exploring all of the land, and knowing a large amount of people, Illarion isn't as interesting as it first was. I used to stay up late, enjoying going down below the tavern, grinding any gems that I dug up. This was before most of Silverbrand was built. It used to be just a small area with barrels. Nothing but rock as well. Plus a gem grinder. I miss the old days. I also miss the way you could easily just create a character. Now when you finally get a new character created you feel happy to see yourself walking as the character that you wanted.
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Randelf Ironshield
Owner of the Silverbrand Brewery

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:59 am

(OOC) Illarion was never old to me, there was always something to do, back in the day the GM's kept the town well RP stocked.

Sea of the Moon will be differant though....

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:11 am

(OOC) I think all of us have been through the working, getting excited at doing/ finding new things, working, getting less excited as less and less new things occur, working, getting bored cycle. But this is the point where, at the moment, the game stops and our imaginations should take over. My problem is feeling embarrassed about suggesting a quest to someone. I have made a little story about searching for "The Harp Of The Sirens". Worked out where we should go and simple riddles or tasks to perform. And that's as far as it's got. I cant bring myself to ask anyone to come along. It just sounds naff when I talk to anyone about it. Am I alone in this? Is this post going to haunt me for the rest of time?

I'll get my coat.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:12 am

I wrote a song about a siren...

hmm

Writing helps me think, I go think now.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:56 pm

Since this is an OOC-Board, i wont indicate something with a useless "IC-Tag"

So, Seany-Boy you want the old days back?
Powergaming at its best, right? Beeing a Master in any Skill within some hours.

Do you realy want these days back before the Account System?
Characternames directly from hell or television?

A final note:
Sean, if you dont have an Account, or dont even want one, leave this board. Especialy leave the RP Board.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:59 pm

First of all, wrong board to post IC things

I used to think illarion was about the people, now it seems its about Dyluck, and Lyrenzia. All the good roleplayers have left, or thinking about leaving, theres only the newcomers, who are far and far between as most of them are caught up in skirmishes amongst warring factions.

I think that this is just an excuse to blame Lyrenzia for all the 'bad things' in Illarion.

'Hey the server crashed today -lets blame Lyrenzia, I bet *they* crashed it!!'

It seems that some people still fail to understand that Lyrenzia is IN CHARACTER thing, and therefor it has NOTHING to do with all the bad roleplaying of Illarion.

Lyrenzia as I stated is roleplaying, and in my opinion are doing fine job. What roleplaying possibilities may it open, it is just your job to find them, don't moan if you fail in that, it is not
our fault.

Open your mind, clear it from all the outside disturbance, and you shall find inner peace and wisdom of mind.

Post scriptum;
I think that the reason for good roleplayers leaving is hardly Lyrenzia, quit moaning about it. Period.

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Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:59 pm

Darlok, call me old fashioned, but if you cant say something nice.....shut your big ugly mouth.

Powergaming IS Worse now, licensed powergaming, hell nearly everyone and his dog are powergaming,.

Powergaming was hardly at its best during my time, that was the 4xxx and 5xxx days when casting on yourself raised MR (oh ya Dy, remember those days? heh)

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:16 pm

Lasukie...

...please, tell us something to Darloks "final note":

Darlok wrote: A final note:
Sean, if you dont have an Account, or dont even want one, leave this board. Especialy leave the RP Board.

Do you have a char who can played and knows ingame something about the old stories which he (your char) takes against others, or not?

Xerake · Post by **Xerake** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:51 pm

But Darlok, powergaming, in my opinion, is at its worst right now...

People use to gain skills for an hour or less, and be on their merry roleplaying road. Now I have to sit in the forest for hours, making hundreds of shields just so I can make something past an object that resembles an old chicken bone...

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:58 pm

Worst right now?

I dont see a Masterblacksmith, Mastertailor, Mastermage, Mastercarpenter, Masterfighter, Mastergoldsmith ..... on every Corner, like it was in these "merry old days".

If you all waste your time with repeatingly crafting these Items, its your own fault.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:36 pm

I think I speak from the stance of a new player who came just before the account system, yes it appears it did ruin everything.

The wars are mainly caused by the new players trying to make their way to greatness and the old players trying to suppress them, thus the rift formed and out flowed the wars.

Yes everyone may have been a mastersmith, mastercarpenter, masterfighter back then, but they would only roleplay the one they wanted to roleplay, back then you have the ability to roleplay whatever you wanted. Now its just training skills for hours, how can you roleplay a fletcher when it takes you weeks to make arrows.

Being a master at everything merly gives you the scope to rp everything.

And the wars I know only to well, I have been involved in the most recent one, darlok's big plan to get money, we didnt want to pay so we had to fight, but then we were told we shouldn't fight, thus the rift increases.

All the good people are leaving, they just don't want to struggle anymore, and why should they, only war and oppresion are in our future unless something radical is done.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:52 pm

It seems to me you have some quite strange picutre of Roleplay.

You all define your Character what they can do with Skills, thier so called "Profession".

But from watching most characters now, they suffer heavly in deepth. None of them seem to have personal faults, fears, dislikes a special food. Nothing ... they are just Blacksmith or Carpenters.

Before blaming the System for a Lack of Roleplay, look at your own Chars.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:26 pm

It is like a brick wall : The System is the foundation, and the roleplay is the bricks. And if the bricks are good, the wall will be good.

We HAVE a working system, a good base. We can interact with other characters that can do different "simple" things. But the interaction, the roleplay, the "Bricks", is our own work : We, the players, are responsible for that.
So, if we do not understand the concept of ROLEPLAYING - by that, meaning to be able to play EVERY possible character even WITHOUT the fighting skills being necessary to survive ! - the wall will be bad, and bricks will fall out - players will leave.
But if we make good bricks - good roleplay, that is - the wall will be stable and grow. Therefor, every player playing MUST know what roleplay is. And that is what the account system helps with. (Since the account system was introduced, we had no "killer sprees" anymore, meaning one extremely strong character reskilling hundreds of other characters. And since it is possible to proove who killed whom when and how often and at what exact times, even reskilling has gone quite thin.
Of course, neither fighting system nor skill system nor character system are perfect at the moment.That will change in the future though, since illarion is, remember that, in ALPHA stage of development.)

Back to the roleplay : Lyrenzia is completely in character. It is a part of roleplay, a part of character interaction. It will bring possibilities and fun - it IS a storyline. A storyline where no fighting may be even necessary. It is a kind of politics. And everyone will be able to interact with it, in the one or other way.

And you won't have to pay taxes to Lyrenzia... hmmh... *thinks* taxes... nice idea, Sean.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:11 pm

I missed where it says this board is solely OOC. I cant see the harm in putting your chars opinions here as long as there is a reason, such as lots of OOC talk, that would prevent it from being on the RP board.

The reason you dont see a master craftsman on every corner these days is there aren't enough people to cover each corner.

As to the brick wall analogy, the bricks are important but ask any builder and you'll find out the foundation is the most important. The best bricks will not hold a wall together that has a poor foundation.

Characters defining themselves as there profession? It would be a strange conversation that starts, "So tell me about yourself" asks A. "I dont like fish" replies B. A more realistic conversation is "So tell me about yourself" asks A. "Well I'm training to be a carpenter". Your work is what you would do most, and be known to most for doing. Your likes and dislikes would be learnt by friends over time, not vomitted forth at the first chance meeting.

I dont believe the foundation is a real world problem to the game and in fact I think it's opened up some new avenues for role playing. It's at least something to react to and with.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:25 pm

As to the brick wall analogy, the bricks are important but ask any builder and you'll find out the foundation is the most important. The best bricks will not hold a wall together that has a poor foundation.

Yes, and as i said above, remember the client is ALPHA Version. It will improve a LOT, and continue improving over YEARS. But we, the players, must make the best of it - by roleplaying.

Darlok · Post by **Darlok** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:26 pm

Algoran,

i realy hope you are joking.

Have i ever said you should give the inner minds of you character to each other when he says "Greetings Stranger" to you?

Not a single Character in Game has even a Clue what the Thoughts of Darlok are, his Aims, his Feelings, his Fears, his Anger, what makes him Pride, what makes him Suffer. Nobody.
But some try to find this out, thats Roleplay.
Not: "I am a Carpenter, or i try to."

This is not a economic simulation, this is a microcosmos.

By the way:
I am very happy that i dont meed a Mastersmith, Mastercarpenter, and so on ... at each Corner. But you did not understand what i meant to say.
These all where one Person, this is impossible now, but were possible in the old days.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:39 pm

Algoran;

BEFORE you post read the rules and announcements.
Use the proper boards (ingame things only @ ingame boards and so on).
For private messages use the private message function and dont open a topic.
Dont spam !!!!
If you dont follow these rules ... you know what can happen

I doubt that this is a Ingameboard, honestly.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:58 pm

I would love to of been joking but a sense of humour is hard to find in some people these days.

My point is that many characters I have met DO have a detailed life. In day to day conversation you would not know much about them except what they do for a living and how well they are doing. Your own point was that only people who RP well try to find out details about you but find out nothing. What makes you think that just by "watching" others you are going to get much detail. Many detailed conversations are whispered or done away from prying ears.

Caranthir :

BEFORE you post read the rules and announcements.
Use the proper boards (ingame things only @ ingame boards and so on).
For private messages use the private message function and dont open a topic.
Dont spam !!!!
If you dont follow these rules ... you know what can happen

All that says is to only put ingame items in the ingame board and to put the correct post in the correct boards. The general board is for anything that fits nowhere else. The reason that I dont think the posts could of gone on the RP board is that alot of OOC talk went with the posts. Rather than ruin the RP board it was put here. The posts could of been split but what would of been the point. Putting IC into this board is not against any rules as far as I can tell, though I'm ready to be put right

. Putting large ammounts of OOC in the RP boards is against the rules.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:24 pm

Well, so you think that if I put just a little bit of IC in my error-report on the technical board, it doesn't bug anyone. Sure, but why do we have rules in the first place then?`

We have a RP-board, why screw with IC stuff on other boards? Guild board is partially IC, soon general and then what, graphics?

Seriously, I see NO need of putting IC here, that just makes things more complicated. Using brains is not forbidden.

'Oh so the opinion about improving the accountsystem was your characters and not yours?!? Sorry!'

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:13 pm

Call me stupid but I have been away for awhile and only get to log in maybe once or twice a week (if I'm lucky).

But what the heck is the Lyrenzia Foundation?

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:01 pm

Oh je, maybe you try it with reading?

And for example you will start with this topic here?
The Lyrenzia Foundation

And perhaps, we have the luck, that this will answer all your questions, if not i feel a big trouble comming.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:08 am

Hello.

Now before I read the rest of the nonsense (I got througha bout half of damiens post..)

Lyrenzia is hardly the cuase of all illarions troubles, however, there is NOW disputing its also an OOC thing, for

1) Where in the blue hell is its reps? I see an awful lot of board trolling, but certainly no ingame players.....

2) Rules of the TOWN of the PEOPLE are out of game, there are now rittin documents in game ect ect, they are on the website.

3) 2 of the guilds have broken up, reformed, broken up, and reformed and broken up.... its nonsense.

Now, Lyrenzia is the least of illarions worries.....

bad RP, thats, of all things, caused by GM's (yes those same ones who once gave us those excellent storylines)

with random town attacks, that have no backing.....talking OOC in public, and threatning those who are innocent and havent a chance to voice otherwise.

About the RP being crap and how everyone is a "profession" thats what happens in a government guys, sorry.

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:33 am

Maybe you try to end your small war against people here?
And yes you hear correctly i said people = players, and not characters, because what you do is nothing else.

All what you do is to destroy work of people which you hate. And that´s not a ingame thing, your acting is very simple follow it yourself.
For example Dyluck post something, and what do you? You react and say exactly contrary things.

In my opinion you are frustrated, and disturb the "work" from people who could have success. But the problem is, your behaviour, isn´t dispositional at a rp reason, rather at a occ cause.

I say go away yourself and take a break, you can´t think clear, poor frustrated human who ignore all important questions like this.

Lennier wrote: Do you have a char who can played and knows ingame something about the old stories which he (your char) takes against others, or not?

But all what you can is to ignore these queries.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:41 am

Fieps if I take anymore of a break, I'll be 60 by the time I get back,.