I have two new suggestions concerning all the fighting in town amongst the players.
It is my belief that the role playing aspect of this game is what drew most of us. However, petty killing seems to have become an everyday occurance in Trollsbane. I think, and I have no idea what the general consensus is, that killing of another player should be a rare occurance with in the game. A murder, whether provoked or in cold blood, should be a major story line, not a reaction to petty theivery, insult or whim. From this I suggest two ways of resolving such issues.
1. Role play the scene on the boards. It is so much more interesting to read a detailed account that is well written than to hear that two characters killed each other 10 times in town. I propose that an independant person determine the winner (who wrote the best account) or a voting system be arranged by use of the poll on the message boards. A set number of posts by each conflicting parties will be stated at the beginning of the rp'ed fight. At the end of the storyline, the winner will be determined. Any other rules will be agreed at the beginning of the fight between both parties. ((Winner recieves this or loser must do that.))
2. I do understand, some players like to use the skills they have learned in game to fight with and would prefer to fight ingame. For these people I would suggest a moderated duel outside the town. The first to die loses and the fight is ended. It is quite boring to see two people fight and kill each other repeatedly.
I would enjoy reading any response to this plan and any advice from the GM's for making this happen.
If anyone would like to test these two suggestions out for in game disagreements, please contact me. I'd love to see this happen, especially #1.
Role playing fights and Official Duels
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Caranthir the great
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As much as I find this idea interesting, you do realize that this would utterly discriminate those players who dont speak either german or english as their native language? If the whole fight would be based on the writing-skills of the combatant, this would also lead into sitiuations where a champion-swordsman or a mage is easily defeated by a peasant just if the OOC-skills/knowledge of the player are not equal to the skills/knowledge of the character. I wouldn't want it to be so, that to be able to play a sword-fighter you should spend months studying sword-combat movements, weapon statistics and then translate it to english.propose that an independant person determine the winner (who wrote the best account) or a voting system be arranged by use of the poll on the message boards.
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I like the idea of roleplaying a fight, instead of the usual.. 'you killed me, now I kill you' nonsense or the 'you insulted me, now you deserve to burn' thing. However, I strongly disagree with the writing of the fight on the boards for two reasons.
The first reasons would be that the game would start to be actually played outside the actual game, which in my opinion is stupid. English is not my native language and it is hard enough not to know what is going on in german. I don't have the patience to read every and each post that is made here especially because most are just insults or things that would be better left unsaid or even just spam over things that could have happened inside the game. I know many players are doing exactly this.. playing outside the game mostly without making much effort to live and change things inside the game, where everything really happens.
The second reason is that technically the characters inside the game are not supposed to know these events. The reference to the 'town's board' is completely overused in my opinion. I seriously doubt that someone would waste their times writing a journal about their lives and sticking it on a wall in the shop for everybody to see, much else fight with someone using only words. One could easily develop one amazing fight with a lot of action and well thought at but they would be doing it at the cost of the other person. They would not have the chance to react, because the story is already written. In the game, however, you can do the same thing, but since it is on real time the others have the chance to react as well. Another thing is that not even this would work if people just act like they are the most powerful person in the world and can knock another person out because they have some sort of magical weapon or whatever. Things would be so much better in this game if people would remember that their acts affect other people as well... you cant just push your role over other people and expect them to react to it as if you were the most important person in the world. I am deeply sorry for this exhaustive long post, but since I had to get these things out of me and since I try my best not to waste other people's times by reading pointless words I thought I should say it. Forgive me all the ones that think these words are harsh, because that was not my intention... my wishes are only to make Illarion a game without things like 'the group that plays within the game', 'the group that plays on the boards', 'the old players', 'the new players'... I am tired of this.. it is problem enough to have the language barrier, we do not need more 'class' differences.
The first reasons would be that the game would start to be actually played outside the actual game, which in my opinion is stupid. English is not my native language and it is hard enough not to know what is going on in german. I don't have the patience to read every and each post that is made here especially because most are just insults or things that would be better left unsaid or even just spam over things that could have happened inside the game. I know many players are doing exactly this.. playing outside the game mostly without making much effort to live and change things inside the game, where everything really happens.
The second reason is that technically the characters inside the game are not supposed to know these events. The reference to the 'town's board' is completely overused in my opinion. I seriously doubt that someone would waste their times writing a journal about their lives and sticking it on a wall in the shop for everybody to see, much else fight with someone using only words. One could easily develop one amazing fight with a lot of action and well thought at but they would be doing it at the cost of the other person. They would not have the chance to react, because the story is already written. In the game, however, you can do the same thing, but since it is on real time the others have the chance to react as well. Another thing is that not even this would work if people just act like they are the most powerful person in the world and can knock another person out because they have some sort of magical weapon or whatever. Things would be so much better in this game if people would remember that their acts affect other people as well... you cant just push your role over other people and expect them to react to it as if you were the most important person in the world. I am deeply sorry for this exhaustive long post, but since I had to get these things out of me and since I try my best not to waste other people's times by reading pointless words I thought I should say it. Forgive me all the ones that think these words are harsh, because that was not my intention... my wishes are only to make Illarion a game without things like 'the group that plays within the game', 'the group that plays on the boards', 'the old players', 'the new players'... I am tired of this.. it is problem enough to have the language barrier, we do not need more 'class' differences.
Well being a slow reader and all I have finally got done. I got it all in too! I do agree with Kalypse because people will take it in fact that they are the leader and you gotta follow their role playing rules and all. Cheesy crap like they have a sword of crazyness that kills people with a tap. Yeah..something like that is totally dumb. Yet the idea is intresting people would just abuse it. No one could decide a winner. People would kill each other on their second post. Then both people would have won. It wouldn't actually work out.
Kaylypse. You may say that the characters IN GAME have nothing to do with the boards but actually they do. They have something to do with only the role playing boards. That's it though. All the rest is just other things that has nothing to do with your character.
Kaylypse. You may say that the characters IN GAME have nothing to do with the boards but actually they do. They have something to do with only the role playing boards. That's it though. All the rest is just other things that has nothing to do with your character.
Well Kasume, the rpg board was supposed to be.. or so I think... something so the players could write their stories if they wanted or stick messages on the walls like some people refer to... but then again maybe there should be two separate boards... one for what people want to write that happened to them, and one of actual messages that the character would pin on the town wall for everybody to know... just because you write on the boards that your character went through some situation that nobody else saw it doesnt mean that the whole town knows about it, unless you play a bard character and you want the townsfolk to know about your work.
And I think also, the rpg-board is not for talkings, like it is done now by many people.
Noone will write one sentence letters to another person or pin on a blackboard.
Talking with a person, using short sentences is for ingame. Here on the board is a place, were longer informations to the people from one person can be given like in a newspaper.
Noone will write one sentence letters to another person or pin on a blackboard.
Talking with a person, using short sentences is for ingame. Here on the board is a place, were longer informations to the people from one person can be given like in a newspaper.
The german word, which is here used, means "write" = schreibe.
It says also: "You can post ..." to make a post is writing a letter.
Have also a look at this topic please and at the post of GMcFly, one of the board admin:
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... sc&start=0
It says also: "You can post ..." to make a post is writing a letter.
Have also a look at this topic please and at the post of GMcFly, one of the board admin:
http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... sc&start=0
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Viola Thistle
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You all brought up some really great points - the language barrier and the etiquette of textual role playing being chief among them. It is true that one could not god mode during rp'ed fights and certain rp rules would have to be established before the event.
I suppose I'm looking at this game differently as most and perhaps that is my flaw. I assumed that the point of role playing here with other players was to weave a story concerning the characters. Each of us has a part to play, the good guys, the bad guys, people on quests, and people who keep daily life in a village going. Generally, in an effort of all the players, the storylines are the most important aspect - not skills learned, gold stashed, or kills accomplished. At times OOC discussions of how stories might proceed are held with the involved players because everyone wants to be a part of a really great story. At other times, a player may throw a monkey wrench into the storyline to shake things up. Things revolve around stories though.
*steps down off the soapbox
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Anyway, I suppose if anyone is interested in doing this in English (I can't speak a lick of German) and interested in the etiquette involved, I'd be happy to help out. I'm not proposing that this be the only way to resolve ingame stuff, just a more interesting way than hack and slash.
@Aragon - If characters are not supposed to relate here in rp other than pinning posts and letters, I think that should be stated clearly. ((Americans have not used the word post for a letter in a very, very long time, so the meaning was lost to me.)) I had no idea that the boards were to be used in only that way.
Thanks all for your comments.
Viola Thistle
I suppose I'm looking at this game differently as most and perhaps that is my flaw. I assumed that the point of role playing here with other players was to weave a story concerning the characters. Each of us has a part to play, the good guys, the bad guys, people on quests, and people who keep daily life in a village going. Generally, in an effort of all the players, the storylines are the most important aspect - not skills learned, gold stashed, or kills accomplished. At times OOC discussions of how stories might proceed are held with the involved players because everyone wants to be a part of a really great story. At other times, a player may throw a monkey wrench into the storyline to shake things up. Things revolve around stories though.
*steps down off the soapbox
*Anyway, I suppose if anyone is interested in doing this in English (I can't speak a lick of German) and interested in the etiquette involved, I'd be happy to help out. I'm not proposing that this be the only way to resolve ingame stuff, just a more interesting way than hack and slash.
@Aragon - If characters are not supposed to relate here in rp other than pinning posts and letters, I think that should be stated clearly. ((Americans have not used the word post for a letter in a very, very long time, so the meaning was lost to me.)) I had no idea that the boards were to be used in only that way.
Thanks all for your comments.
Viola Thistle