The Lyrenzia Foundation / Die Lyrenzia Vereinigung

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 1:46 am

Dyluck wrote:Well, then you should learn to read, paul laffing.

I take that as an insult. Just one example is needed to show your hypocrisy. Anyway, if you actually read my statement, I was saying that Lyrenzia without people to give constructive criticism IS like blah, blah, blah. I'm sure your guild council doesn't appreciate you wasting time analizing the grammar of everyone's messages. Also, although I may not agree with this guild, I am interested in donating to building town walls, if you will give more information on your plans.

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 1:49 am

Paul wrote: I am interested in donating to building town walls

Paul, our fair town is protected from three sides by both rivers and high mountains... where would you put the wall?

Viola Thistle · Post by **Viola Thistle** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:36 am

Dyluck,

Thank you kindly for your prompt response. I'll read over all the information gathered and send a messenger with any questions or comments I have.

Viola Thistle

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:51 am

Damien wrote: For now, everyone can donate to Lyrenzia, for the project of building town walls.

Hey, Mishrack, don't ask me, ask Damien.

Grant Herion · Post by **Grant Herion** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:19 am

Headmaster Dyluck and other councilors, you might want to gather you forces. There are a few who are going to launch a war on you. Of course I will be with you. But I am weak at the moment and know only healing spells. Well, Good Luck.
--Prince Grant Herion of the Kingdom Herion.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 9:50 am

paul laffing wrote: I didn't even bother reading the rest of your message

Dyluck wrote:
Well, then you should learn to read, paul laffing.

Maybe you should try to make better use of your skill more often then, instead of overracting whenever somebody disagrees with you or tells you you're wrong.

paul laffing wrote: Wait, but are the people who don't agree with some of things Lyrenzia does going to be represented? I mean, its like a king making all his counselors his best friends so that they never tell him anything bad about what he does.

paul laffing wrote: I was saying that Lyrenzia without people to give constructive criticism IS like blah, blah, blah.

A question isn't a statement. Without any conditionals following the question, the "it is" in the second sentence is only expressing Lyrenzia in a current state and not a conditional state.
What we don't appreciate is people making highly inaccurate statements about Lyrenzia because they couldn't use grammar properly to express what they supposedly wanted to express.

paul laffing wrote: I am interested in donating to building town walls

Mishrack wrote: Paul, our fair town is protected from three sides by both rivers and high mountains... where would you put the wall?

Depending on the upcoming forces that we may have to deal with, the rivers may not be enough to keep our enemies out. But the biggest opening to our town is the gap between the two rivers on the eastern side. This is the area where the wall would most likely be built, if not elsewhere as well.

You are welcome, Thiola Vistle.

Grant Herion, thank you for your warning. The fair citizens of Troll's Bane will surely keep you safe as they realize Lyrenzia's actions are as justified as any other person's. The only fools who would even think of making such a war are the murderers and thieves who realize our oraginzed efforts will threaten their unlawful ways, or those few who are living the shadows of their self-made fears and in denial of the reality that this town has lived under since the days of the early settlers.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Mishrack · Post by **Mishrack** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 2:17 pm

#me asks Damien.
Sorry 'bout that, Paul.

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 2:23 pm

Bah town walls would be useless. From previous experience with necromancers ( Or summoner's ) They can magically transport themselves into town most of the time! Now in a few places i could see getting some walls that way we could defend ourselves better even if we WERE attacked from the inside. But that could also make us easier to get to. Also sadly enough i have not been around to see a orc attack, but where do they come from? Do they show up in the middle of town or do they come from outside and come in? Just curious.

Kalypse · Post by **Kalypse** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:09 pm

Kalypse reads calmly through the posts and thinks twice before saying anything.

First of all I would like to remind all of an importance sentence. "Agression only leads to more agression." I beg you Paul, to stop using threatening words towards everyone... My dear friend Dyluck, it saddens me to see how you are directing yourself towards others. When I met you you were such a friendly person, and so patient... remember those days playing games quietly with people? And perhaps when I tried to make you dance?

Those were good days... I miss them...

Another matter is my position towards Lyrenzia. The Elven Community has been asked to join your efforts. I politely decline the request, in the name of the Elders. However, any member willing to do so on their own is free to do so as long as they keep in their hearts the true beliefs of our community. I believe the idea of having written laws is valid, but I do not believe this is the way. This town should have this laws written on the day it was born, and perfected with time. Trollsbane is a city that holds citizens of all races, as for more that the wish to live together in peace, they have their differences and they always will. This city needs not many more laws, as I see it. Only the laws of respect towards each race I find important. I understand you are all trying to do your bests on bringing these laws into effectiveness, but you say the laws will only be enforced to those who are within Lyrenzia and honestly I believe that the ones who would cause troubles are exactly those who refuse to be part of it. If that is the case, the true purpose of this foundation has little effect if any. Perhaps the idea of building a town wall for protection is not bad for some, but I, and an elf, think of it as another source of the feeling of being a prisoner. Unfortunately I am yet to find a place in the forest for my dearest elves to have the life I once had with the help of good friends, including even Dyluck.

I humbly ask you to forgive me for not supporting you with this, but I choose to stay outside and try my best on bringing some sense to the troubled minds outside your limits. That is the best I can do for now, while staying in this one town. I thank all my friends for helping me not go insane by all the noises and conflicts of the city. I suppose it is better to be on a city surrounded by friends than on the calmness of the forests alone.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:37 pm

Greetings mateys!

Paul said:

Lyrenzia without people to give constructive criticism IS like blah, blah, blah.

That isnt how the Lyrenzia foundation is. There are 7 or 8 guilds in the Foundation, each guild has a representative. The representative's job is to gather the opinion of its guild which will be shared with the opinion of the rest of the representatives. They share their views.
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I think people should be less insulting in their writings. Just because someone doesn't agree or understand you is no reason to insult them.
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Arr, Hermie, Arr!

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:08 pm

Roke pins his message on the wall, then walks away solemnly.

Members of The Foundation,

Although my guild, The Silverstar Merchants are members of The Foundation, one thing has come to my mind that worries me about this idea. Everything, from what I saw has been fairly well and thought out, except perhaps for one thing. It seems, that the Majority of the representitives of the foundation are not in town and just experiencing what is going on, much like The Rangers are, which is why I left. Instead, you are relying on oppinions and accounts of people who are in town often. Each person however, thinks differently and will probably have a slightly different account than someone else and even what you would have if you were there. My concern is htat, without the "leaders" being in town often enough, the foundation will fall because they may not be able to get enough support and spread their influence and confidence through the citizens of Troll's Bane.

Sincerely,
Roke

Member of The Silverstar Merchants

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:17 pm

((This is the RPG board...there are way too many OOC posts in this thread.))

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:03 am

Sir Gannon,

Not all of our enemies will be necromancers or summoners who can move to any location at will. The main problem we may face is the vast minions that they command. The walls will allow those who can't fight to remain in a safer place while the monsters are dealt with outside (The GMs will play along)).

Dear Kalpse,

As you say, a town should have laws written on the day it was born and perfected in time. This didn't happen and left Troll's Bane in a state of anarchic chaos. For ages, people have sought to set up laws that could be legitimized by the entire population, but have failed because the entire population is simply too vast, leading to a never ending cycle between defining the population and who having the right to define it.

Lyrenzia has set out to do what couldn't be done before by starting with a particular population instead of an undefinible population. Where others have tried to weigh the grains of sand in the desert all at once, we've started with a spoonful to a bucket. Thus, at least we know how much is in this spoon or bucket. Lyrenzia is a population who has a written set of laws the day it was born, and those who live by the standards can join it and make differences to the needs of the population. In essence, what is happening is that we have started from that scatch that is the beginning of a population to grow back into the population with laws that we should have been.

The people of Lyrenzia will enforce their laws to everyone, just as each person has always enforced the particular laws they believed. What we won't do is make or enforce any law that gives us unneccessary power. We all live in a prison of some sort after all, whether it be an island or a world. It's only a matter of how enjoyable your prison is.

Roke,

Currently, our presence would only serve to deal with more specific situations which everyone is already doing. What is of utmost concern right now for us is completing certain systems that can deal with issues on a more massive scale. Once they have been completed, Lyrenzia and the people will be able to work together more effectively.
Half of the representitives do visit the streets everyday, though not necessarily at particular times, and not as much as we'd like.
However, I agree with the symbolic value of our presence on the streets.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:39 am

Hermie wrote:Greetings mateys!

Paul said:
Lyrenzia without people to give constructive criticism IS like blah, blah, blah.
That isnt how the Lyrenzia foundation is. There are 7 or 8 guilds in the Foundation, each guild has a representative. The representative's job is to gather the opinion of its guild which will be shared with the opinion of the rest of the representatives. They share their views.
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I think people should be less insulting in their writings. Just because someone doesn't agree or understand you is no reason to insult them.
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Arr, Hermie, Arr!

Yes, Hermie, if you take that sentence of out context, you can twist it to mean whatever you want it to. But read the rest of the post before. The same goes with you Dyluck. When you put my sentence about reading, you took it out of context, and so made it mean what you want it to. Listen, Dyluck, I'm not trying to become your enemy. I'm just trying to find answers, and you find offense at that! I'm sorry for wasting your time with my questions, and I am leaving this topic.

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:07 am

I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner but I've been busy with more important things. I also thought that after Aragons reply that this discussion was over. It seems I was wrong.

Dyluck wrote :

The people of Lyrenzia will enforce their laws to everyone, just as each person has always enforced the particular laws they believed. What we won't do is make or enforce any law that gives us unneccessary power. We all live in a prison of some sort after all, whether it be an island or a world. It's only a matter of how enjoyable your prison is.

This is why I asked for an official representative to reply. We are still getting mixed messages.

I take it the foundation will decide how much power is necessary?

One last thing. I think we are all getting confused as to what is a law. The law is / was "No fighting in town". "unless in self defence" is an exception to the law. Laws can have exceptions or conditions.
The laws are / were (Yes my interpretation of them) :
1, No fighting in town.
2, No casting in town.
3, No stealing.

I see you've added some conditions and changed "no stealing" into a subsection of "concept of property and ownership."

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:28 am

Perhaps what I should have said is the people of Lyrenzia CAN enforce their law to everyone, if that was the extent that they their enforced the law before they were united under Lyrenzia. People not only interpreted the law by their own beliefs, but they also enforced to a degree with their own preferences. Lyrenzia hasn't defined any change to the degree that each individual in Lyrenzia should enforce the unified laws that they follow now.

Yes, in general the Foundation will decide how much power is neccessary for itself. If someone has a problem with the Foundation's decision, they can try to take the same measures as they would with a single person. Except only of course the difference now is that they'd have to overcome 100 voices in unison instead of 1.

"Self defence" fits under the "justified reasons" category.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:32 am

Dyluck wrote:Perhaps what I should have said is the people of Lyrenzia CAN enforce their law to everyone, if that was the extent that they their enforced the law before they were united under Lyrenzia. People not only interpreted the law by their own beliefs, but they also enforced to a degree with their own preferences. Lyrenzia hasn't defined any change to the degree that each individual in Lyrenzia should enforce the unified laws that they follow now.

Yes, in general the Foundation will decide how much power is neccessary for itself. If someone has a problem with the Foundation's decision, they can try to take the same measures as they would with a single person. Except only of course the difference now is that they'd have to overcome 100 voices in unison instead of 1.

"Self defence" fits under the "justified reasons" category.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

In other words "we will do whatever we want to when we want to and if anyone stands in our way, and is on our soil (Pretty much all of trollsbane and surrounding area) we can and will kill them becuase WE say so..."

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:37 am

You can put it that way if you like, Lasukie.
That's the concept that everyone has always lived under here, or did you never stop to realize that?
It's called anarchy.

The more people begin to unite under the same standards, the closer we get to escaping anarchy.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:39 am

well, yes its called anarchy, and Lyrenzia seems to be cuasing is own sort of justfull chaos.

Theres a saying in my homeland

"What takes years to build, takes seconds to fall"

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:43 am

Lyrenzia hasn't caused a single war yet.

Only a handful of people haven't realized Lyrenzia's actions are the same that each invdividual has always done and even they haven't used violence yet.

You're the only one who tried to declared war.
You're the bringer of meaningless war and chaos, as usual.
But it won't happen this time. We won't let you ruin our town again.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:45 am

Thankyou Dyluck for your prompt response. I think most of what needs to be said has been now.
The only thing I need to clear up is my point about "unless in self defence." I was stating that "No fighting in town" Is the law whereas "unless in self defence" is the exception to the law and not a law in itself. I was making the point that the laws are / were : No fighting in town, No spell casting in town and No stealing. Everything else were exceptions to or conditions of the law.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:00 am

Dyluck wrote:You're the only one who tried to declare war.

Hence the word "tried".

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote: well, yes its called anarchy, and Lyrenzia seems to be cuasing is own sort of justfull chaos.

Try doing more research first.
You've already started enough wars due to your own personal misconceptions.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Algoran · Post by **Algoran** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:02 am

Dear Lasukie, I am no lover of the foundation but would caution both sides to refrain from bloodshed. If the foundation strikes, which I doubt it will, then my sword will be drawn next to yours. But till such a time, words are our most powerfull weapon. I admire and have great respect for many members of the foundation and would not wish harm upon them. If this foundation is as many of us fear, these same members will come to our side willingly and the walls of the castle will fall. If the foundation is just we need not fear it, if not it will be destroyed from within. Bide your time and watch.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:14 am

I guess the word "tried" doesn't mean much to you.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote:Algoran, Lyrenzia has struck already. Enforcing thier "Laws" against those unsure, or new to these lands.

Another interesting "fact" from your imaginary reailty.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski · Post by **Lasukie-Kai Elaski** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:20 am

Show me offcial declaration papers with dates and times and signatures and guild names.

Maybe then.

Tell me why Adano Eles sat around and did nothing during a murder scene, I belive hes one of your "members"

Tell me HOW The library can be signed, when the library has been a public place since before the knights existed. You cant sign a public place.

Eliza would never agree to such trickery.

assure me with documents and papers, or shut your mouth and speak with iron.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:32 am

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote:Prove it.

Prove WHAT? If you want to accuse someone of something then you go prove their guilt, not the other way around.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote:Show me offcial declaration papers with dates and times and signatures and guild names.

Joining requests to the Lyrenzia Foundation were made in this thread. Learn to read.
Go ask the guild leaders if you want something else. It's your own problem.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote: Tell me why Adano Eles sat around and did nothing during a murder scene, I belive hes one of your "members"

Dyluck wrote: Perhaps what I should have said is the people of Lyrenzia CAN enforce their law to everyone, if that was the extent that they their enforced the law before they were united under Lyrenzia. People not only interpreted the law by their own beliefs, but they also enforced to a degree with their own preferences. Lyrenzia hasn't defined any change to the degree that each individual in Lyrenzia should enforce the unified laws that they follow now.

Your question already answered. Learn to read.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote: Tell me HOW The library can be signed, when the library has been a public place since before the knights existed. You cant sign a public place.

Wrong. The library was open to the public, not owned by the public.

Lasukie-Kai Elaski wrote: Eliza would never agree to such trickery.

Eliza doesn't agree that she owns her own shop? Ok...

The papers and documents are written in Lyrenzia now obviously. They wouldn't be if there now if someone had wrote them before already. Hello?

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:42 am

If it has to do with their guild codex, then go talk to their guild leader.

The Knights of the Grey Rose are partners of the Order of the Grey Light who owns the library? Hello?

Liar. Eliza and the first settlers built her shop. Now Eliza runs runs her own shop. Obviously. Even blind men can see that.

What you read in Lyrenzia is called a paper or a document.
It got proven when it was written there.
Why did you think it was necessary to write them down now?
Hello?

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:51 am

Another interesting "fact" from the imaginary reality of someone who claims the headmaster of the Magic Academy has no magic and has made the same idle threat for ages and has still never succeeded.

Dyluck
Headmaster of the Magic Academy

Burin · Post by **Burin** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:54 am

Randelf bursts out laughing.

Calling the headmaster of the magic acadamy an old man with no magic? Heh, heh, heh...

Is Dyluck really a old man?
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Randelf Ironshield
Owner of the Silverbrand Brewery

Lyrenzia Foundation · Post by **Lyrenzia Foundation** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:12 am

The herold hang a fine paper outside the castle wall.

We proclaim, that Crosis, council member of the Hobbiteers is the Councilor of Lyrenzia for the Hobbiteers.

We proclaim, that Dhalsim, the Master Druid is the Councilor of Lyrenzia for the Druids of the Forest.

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Der Herold hängt eine auf feinem Papier geschriebene Veröffentlichung an die Außenseite der Burgmauer.

Wir erklären hiermit, dass Crosis, Ratsmitglied der Hobbiteers der Ratsherr von Lyrenzia für die Hobbiteers sein wird.

Wir erklären hiermit, dass Dhalsim, der Meisterdruide der Ratsherr von Lyrenzia für die Druiden des Waldes sein wird.