Instead of having imaginary gods, perhaps we could have GM controlled (or player if you trust them) gods, so when we pray to them there is a chance of getting an active response.
I'm not sure how much work this would require and in what ways it could be accomplished, or for that matter how much prayers could have an effect on a person, but it would add a nice twist to the world of illarion.
Constructive comments only please.
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Adano Eles
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First of all I think its to hard to find persons who can play role from a god good and reliably. And GM´s have enough to do, or?
2nd, is it realy important if we can see the "gods" now and then?
The religions on our earth believe in "gods" too, and i think nobody ever saw one. They only believed it.
2nd, is it realy important if we can see the "gods" now and then?
The religions on our earth believe in "gods" too, and i think nobody ever saw one. They only believed it.
I didnt mean see them at all, where do I say that?
What I meant was that when you pray instead of just knowing you are praying to nothing, actuallt have a small chance that something might answer.
No not all prayers are going to be answered, of course they arnt going to pop down and say hello.
And its not the real world fieps, there isnt magic or elves in the real world incase you didnt notice
What I meant was that when you pray instead of just knowing you are praying to nothing, actuallt have a small chance that something might answer.
No not all prayers are going to be answered, of course they arnt going to pop down and say hello.
And its not the real world fieps, there isnt magic or elves in the real world incase you didnt notice
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Adano Eles
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The GMs can't sit on their computers all day looking at what everyone says so they notice if someone prays and might answer. If the GMs know you are praying (because you told them and its part of a larger plot) and think it is worth the hassle then there is a chance that something might happen. For example the ceremony at the Irmorom temple. One of the GMs played the part of Irmorom by letting sacrifices disappear and broadcasting the gods voice.
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If every wedding and every funeral would have the voice of a given God or Goddess they would lose their mystique. Just imagine how many weddings would take place as soon as this was available, and the GM's would have far too much work to do to keep up with them all. Another duty for GM’s would just put even more work on their plate, which is already overloaded. As it is now the Gods only let their true voice be heard for extremely special occasions and that's how it should be. Priests and Priestesses are supposed to speak for their Gods and be the portal to these beings and these are the ones who in my opinion should be performing weddings and such without the voice of the actual God or Goddess being heard to everyone (the vassal should RP hearing the voice and speaking it through themselves if this must happen). They can RP speaking to the Gods at the wedding because that is their gift. If the ones getting married were Priests or Priestesses or someone closely associated with a God and had been for a very long time then I would think that the voice of their God could come to them or everyone around, but not the average person but this would have to be requested and approved by the GM’s. The Gods are beings that don't interact with the common man unless there is an extreme reason to do so, in my opinion. Such as the blessing of a temple or to speak directly to a vassal of theirs or to warn the masses of some tragedy that may come for their heathen ways, or even to aid them in a battle with another God or Gods vassals such as Moshran or Drakhen. Every God has a voice but it is very rarely used, or so it seems.
If every wedding and every funeral would have the voice of a given God or Goddess they would lose their mystique. Just imagine how many weddings would take place as soon as this was available, and the GM's would have far too much work to do to keep up with them all. Another duty for GM’s would just put even more work on their plate, which is already overloaded. As it is now the Gods only let their true voice be heard for extremely special occasions and that's how it should be. Priests and Priestesses are supposed to speak for their Gods and be the portal to these beings and these are the ones who in my opinion should be performing weddings and such without the voice of the actual God or Goddess being heard to everyone (the vassal should RP hearing the voice and speaking it through themselves if this must happen). They can RP speaking to the Gods at the wedding because that is their gift. If the ones getting married were Priests or Priestesses or someone closely associated with a God and had been for a very long time then I would think that the voice of their God could come to them or everyone around, but not the average person but this would have to be requested and approved by the GM’s. The Gods are beings that don't interact with the common man unless there is an extreme reason to do so, in my opinion. Such as the blessing of a temple or to speak directly to a vassal of theirs or to warn the masses of some tragedy that may come for their heathen ways, or even to aid them in a battle with another God or Gods vassals such as Moshran or Drakhen. Every God has a voice but it is very rarely used, or so it seems.
In my opinion another reason against this proposal would be the comparison with real life: If you pray then you don't get an answer do you? Or let's say, you don't hear a voice which tells you what to do. I think the answer comes out of your heart and you can call it a divine answer if you believe in god.
Of course there are people in the bible who heard god's voice, but like the others said, that's a rare exception and doesn't happen to everybody. It's called a miracle and miracles aren't daily events...
Of course there are people in the bible who heard god's voice, but like the others said, that's a rare exception and doesn't happen to everybody. It's called a miracle and miracles aren't daily events...
Thanks for your nice response Guingalan. It's always very encouraging to read such a kind answer...
What I wanted to say is: Of course Illarion isn't the real world, I think (or I hope) everybody knows that. But if you introduce a lot of fictional stuff you can also say: Hey why shouldn't you have the skill to fly (or something like this). In my opinion there's sth like a line between "realistic" (for illarion) and "unrealistic". And getting answers from gods isn't realistic for me.
You said, not everybody should get an answer, but how do you decide which prayers are worth to get answered, which are "trash"? Or is it chance?
And even if you can't imagine: I also thought about what I wrote!
What I wanted to say is: Of course Illarion isn't the real world, I think (or I hope) everybody knows that. But if you introduce a lot of fictional stuff you can also say: Hey why shouldn't you have the skill to fly (or something like this). In my opinion there's sth like a line between "realistic" (for illarion) and "unrealistic". And getting answers from gods isn't realistic for me.
You said, not everybody should get an answer, but how do you decide which prayers are worth to get answered, which are "trash"? Or is it chance?
And even if you can't imagine: I also thought about what I wrote!
Gunigalan, its spelled "Malachím".
This proposal is not realy good. (Dont want to say it useless.)
You might want to try yourself in playing a "god".
Hide behind a altar and than answer to the Player/Character praying there.
First you can be sure that there are days without even one praying, but because you are a god you have to wait patiently for someone who might pray.
Than there might be these very good prayers like:
"I wish to be the powerfulst person here."
"I want to fly."
"I want to be better than xyz."
But the mayor question is:
Is someone out there with the whole day time to wait for nothing or only crap?
God-Characters appear from time to time and are GM-Controlled, but they only appear if a current Quest realy needs thier presents.
This proposal is not realy good. (Dont want to say it useless.)
You might want to try yourself in playing a "god".
Hide behind a altar and than answer to the Player/Character praying there.
First you can be sure that there are days without even one praying, but because you are a god you have to wait patiently for someone who might pray.
Than there might be these very good prayers like:
"I wish to be the powerfulst person here."
"I want to fly."
"I want to be better than xyz."
But the mayor question is:
Is someone out there with the whole day time to wait for nothing or only crap?
God-Characters appear from time to time and are GM-Controlled, but they only appear if a current Quest realy needs thier presents.
You what?Gunigalan, its spelled "Malachím".
And don't just post things like that, especially when I asked you specifically not to. It wasn't exactly a constructive comment was it?
And no of course they arnt going to be there everyday all the time waiting for nothing.
I never actually suggested anyways in which they could work. I left that to you, so aim your unhelpful comments at yourself
Nothing wrong with letting you know about a spelling error, and it was done so politely. You just seem to be the type that easily gets offended when someone points out your mistakes or doesn't agree with your proposal.
Anyhow, you'll rarely ever see GM played gods around, and even if they were they can't be answering every mortal's prayer, and there's no effective way to determine legitimate priests or worshippers. Some kind of praying or animal sacrifice system is supposed to be in the works, but don't expect to see it anytime soon.
Anyhow, you'll rarely ever see GM played gods around, and even if they were they can't be answering every mortal's prayer, and there's no effective way to determine legitimate priests or worshippers. Some kind of praying or animal sacrifice system is supposed to be in the works, but don't expect to see it anytime soon.
The "You What" bit is because I never meant to write Malachim In any of my posts.@ Guingalan: What exactly is the definition of "malarky"? The only translation i´ve found was "australian slang for foolish talk"...
If it wasn´t a spelling error, I´d suggest that you use some proper english. That way the german talking part of this board that is able to read english wouldn´t have to use an online dictionary to understand what you are writing (but that dictionary is quite usefull. Download it at www.babylon.com and choose the languages you need
).
Back to topic: I think that more presence of the gods is unnecessary. There are some people playing a priest and it would be enough if they´d ask the GMs before doing a "divine" plot, for they represent the gods on the world of Illarion. That´s the way it is managed now and I think thats a good way.
If a single person needs a divine sign or a miracle for a RP plot I think the GMs could manage this without special avatars.
BTW: it´s spelled Malachín
If it wasn´t a spelling error, I´d suggest that you use some proper english. That way the german talking part of this board that is able to read english wouldn´t have to use an online dictionary to understand what you are writing (but that dictionary is quite usefull. Download it at www.babylon.com and choose the languages you need
).Back to topic: I think that more presence of the gods is unnecessary. There are some people playing a priest and it would be enough if they´d ask the GMs before doing a "divine" plot, for they represent the gods on the world of Illarion. That´s the way it is managed now and I think thats a good way.
If a single person needs a divine sign or a miracle for a RP plot I think the GMs could manage this without special avatars.
BTW: it´s spelled Malachín
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Unfortunately, it's not easy for native English speakers to know just what words non native English speakers know. We use what is in our vocabulary, and we are really not sure what vocabulary you have.
I have a friend from Brazil, I talk to him all the time and he speaks very good English. But every once in a while he will ask me what I mean by a very common word, then I remember he does not have all the vocabulary I have.
Unfortunately for us to try to guess what words you know and which words you don't know is very difficult. I think it would just be best if you used the dictionary. Then you learn about more words too. Like now you know what Malarky means
I have a friend from Brazil, I talk to him all the time and he speaks very good English. But every once in a while he will ask me what I mean by a very common word, then I remember he does not have all the vocabulary I have.
Unfortunately for us to try to guess what words you know and which words you don't know is very difficult. I think it would just be best if you used the dictionary. Then you learn about more words too. Like now you know what Malarky means
Allright...
Für die deutsch sprechenden Spieler ist es schon ein gewisser Aufwand, die englischen Postings zu lesen, selbst wenn sie ein einigermaßen gutes Englisch sprechen.
And I can even do it worser, writing suebian dialect...
Ha woisch, wen de uff dr Alb koiane goisa hosch, no muasch mäha wie an Seggl.
What I mean is that the internet is a multicultural platform on wich people from every country are able to communicate. But this is only possible if your language is clean.
Its a hit in everyone´s face that tries to understand your language but isn´t skilled enough to understand your slang / dialect. Please, try to write in some proper english (well, ok, I understand that color means colour and favor is equal to favour, but hey! Did you understand any word of my dialect?).
At least I´ll try my best to write some comprehensibly english and I´d prefer if other people would do so, too.
Maybe we should try some Esperanto
Für die deutsch sprechenden Spieler ist es schon ein gewisser Aufwand, die englischen Postings zu lesen, selbst wenn sie ein einigermaßen gutes Englisch sprechen.
And I can even do it worser, writing suebian dialect...
Ha woisch, wen de uff dr Alb koiane goisa hosch, no muasch mäha wie an Seggl.
What I mean is that the internet is a multicultural platform on wich people from every country are able to communicate. But this is only possible if your language is clean.
Its a hit in everyone´s face that tries to understand your language but isn´t skilled enough to understand your slang / dialect. Please, try to write in some proper english (well, ok, I understand that color means colour and favor is equal to favour, but hey! Did you understand any word of my dialect?).
At least I´ll try my best to write some comprehensibly english and I´d prefer if other people would do so, too.
Maybe we should try some Esperanto
Back to the theme of the topic:
In my opinion, the problem is, that the job system isn't ready now.
As it is described on the HP, the priest magic will have some of the functions, you described here.
Until this isn't implemented, it will be our job to solve this with pure roleplaying having no visible effects in the game when praying or sacrificing something to a god.
And as said before, for each god exists a char, steerable through GMs.
A few of them have shown up in some events (I have seen the char of Nargun, of Sirani, of Adron and of Malachin).
In my opinion, the problem is, that the job system isn't ready now.
As it is described on the HP, the priest magic will have some of the functions, you described here.
Until this isn't implemented, it will be our job to solve this with pure roleplaying having no visible effects in the game when praying or sacrificing something to a god.
And as said before, for each god exists a char, steerable through GMs.
A few of them have shown up in some events (I have seen the char of Nargun, of Sirani, of Adron and of Malachin).