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Post by Bror »

In the last weeks, the amount of players, that we don't want to have in Illarion increased.
Therefore I have deleted characters often. In the following text, you can read, how this will be handled, why you should change your playing style and what makes me (and I suppose most GMs too) angry.

About the email system:
Sooner or later players won't be accepted to the game if they write an email to a gamemaster and get an account created. This email will require verification of your RPG understanding. No RPG, No Account.
If you manage to get to the game without doing RPG, you are very likely to get kicked out fast. A new account will need some time to get it created, so you will be excluded for a while. No fake emails will be accepted.
As far as I see it, the most players currently online will not get into the game if this system is applied!

Therefore, if you want to keep on playing this game, START ROLEPLAYING NOW, the way you act in the game these days influences the way the GMs see you and will affect the way they judge your RPG skills and if you will still be able to play in a few month.



Here are some things that make me angry. Some things will lead directly to a deletion. Other things just show me your understanding of the game and add up to my person specific "angry value". If this "angry value" reaches a certain amount and you do the slightest (how slight depends on the value) thing against the rules, you are gone.
All these things are taken from my daily work (=spare time) for Illarion. Its my daily personal hell and one reason why I want the email system, so we can save time and use our efforts for the players we care about (that most likely won't be involved in any of the following points).

Names:
1) If you create characters with names like "asshole", titles like "the smile" and descriptions like "smile you! I don't have a description", these characters get deleted right away. There is a big chance, that I will search for other characters from this player and delete or ban them too.
2) Names/titles: A name is something your parents give you, when you are born. "Superdude" and "The Necromancer" are therefore no names. "Kerklan the Mage" isn't a name too. "Kerklan" is the name. "the Mage" is a Title. If you create such names, you will be mailed to change the name. If you get mailed, don't change the name and the character gets deleted after a few days - don't create it again. Consequences pending.
3) A name also doesn't consist out of words put together, like "Trollsmasher". If you put words together, at least add a name before it ("Fredegar Smellyflower" might be a Hobbit name).
4) Try to think of an original name. It takes me 10 seconds to create an own name - it would take me longer to look one up in some book. If you try to create a name that matches your race characteristics, it will perhaps take you one minute.
Examples:
Elf: Qwetzar'al Charim
Dwarf: Kafnakaz
Hobbit: Fredegar Smellyflower
Human: Elfanon
Lizzard: Zzatass'Zanwa
5) Names most likely start with an upper case letter ("el Chaduzon", "al Tawanzan" are counter examples)
6) A name doesn't get more medieval if you put a "Lord" "Sir" or "King" before it. Most people I mail, because their names don't fit into the game, write me back "Ok, than name me 'Lord KillEmAll' instead of 'KillEmAll'". I doubt that 90% of the medieval folk have been Lords or Sirs - in Illarion you can get this belief.

Email addresses:
1) We use the email address only to mail you, if we need to get in contact because of a punishment - if you don't want us to write to you, you can just ignore the email you receive.
2) If you don't provide an email, we won't send you lost passwords for instance.
3) We don't give your email away, so it is save to tell us your real email address
4) Don't provide us with fake email addresses or addresses that you change usualy every two weeks.
5) If we have a problem with your characters and want to give you the punishment "warning", we can't send you the "warning" by email if you don't provide your address. Therefore we select another (stronger!!) punishment like ban or deletion.

In game and RPG Board talk:
1) "You suck", "smile Off", "Asshole" are clearly no signs of roleplaying. Some insults might be roleplaying, but select words, that might be used in the dark ages like "bastard", "heretic" or "witch" (please no discussion about religious discrimination - this is meant to be an IC insult, not a RL insult against any Wiccan or other religion)
2) If you talk permanently out of character, this its at least a point that adds strongly to my "angry value"
3) Telling lies about the GMs and administration, or telling other person that you are a GM adds to my "angry value"
4) Write full sentences and words. "u", "4 u", "c u", "y", "lol", "peeps" etc. is no sign of roleplay
5) There is no need to randomly enter some letters and push return.
6) Postings with no content except lol, :-) etc. are concidererd as board spaming.

Passwords:
1) Select password that others can't think of. "abc" or "illarion" is no good password -"eF3g5tZ" is good.
2) Don't share your password with friends. Character sharing is forbidden anyway, but we also had many situations, where the friend of someone used the other ones character, violated the rules and received a punishment for his friend (that owns the character).

Emails to me:
1) I am not very happy if I get emails with
- completely lower case letters
- no punctuation marks
- missing or wrong placed blanks between the words
- the already mentioned abbreviations "u", "4 u", "y"...
I can understand, that not everyone is a german or english native speaker, but a point between two sentences is placed in every language I know of.
Emails with such style are very hard to read for me. Often I don't get the point about what they are talking and even if I do, I am not very motivated for a friendly and complete answer.
If you know that you write in such a style, it would be a good idea to read the text a second time before you send it. I do this almost every time.
2) Illarion is a free game in alpha stage. You don't pay any money, so you don't get any service, that we don't want to give. Emails that include things like "I demand" or "I want compensation" are turned down no matter what has happened. Mails with friendly pleas or proposals are concidered.
3) Emails completely in uppercase letter have a good chance to get ignored by me or receive a negative answer too.


Multiple Clients/characters:
1) Don't log in with two characters at the same time.
2) Seperate your characters. Don't run around and say "I am the other character of xyz" etc. Don't give money from one character to another.
3) If you have a brother or sister: Think about it, if you want them in the game. It happens often, that they don't have the slightest understanding of roleplaying and violate almost every rule in their first hour. If they use your characters or your computer/internet connection, it might get some confusions, because we can't always distinguish between your characters and the others. If an IP ban is the only solution to get rid of this trouble maker, your characters will be included too.

PKing / powergaming
1) If the only thing we see you doing in the game is killing and training, this makes us at least suspicious
2) If you kill or powergame think of a reason. Make this reason be visible in the game! Use #me commands


PS: I have started a new post, since I thought, the persons that this txt is dedicated to don't read long posts (most of them don't even read the boards anyway).
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Post by Erdrick »

We should add a shorter version of this at the Pop-Up screen before playing.
Then, even the ones who skip the boards will read SOMETHING.
(I have been teaching RP to a handful of newbies lately, by the way,
and it gets REALLY annoying, they all have no imagination!!)
((We could also take out the 1st one about depot's, we all know that now))
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Post by Blackscales »

Dear Bror,

 I am please that you gave this warnings. Some of the rules were unclear to me. But now they are easier to understand.I will try to role play better. However, when role playing inter-mingles with game play, I see something wrong. For instance, I will be role playing really well one day, when someone who is stronger than me comes up and just randomely starts to kill me. Now I want to role play, but I can  not type quick enough to do that and defend myself, what should I do? Role playing well requires some heavy typing, and when I am busy, or lagging, it looks like I am just playing to play, and not role playing. What should I do in situations like these? Ohh, and with one of my characters that is a psycho killer, I give warnings and shout ahead so that people will know I am coming. This way if I kill them, it is not  a pk, is it? As long as you have a good reason and/or story behind it, it is ok  isn't it?

   I will try to start role playing better. I will attempt to keep my  brother from playing, because he has gotten my characters in trouble for his wrongs.

                                                         Sincerely,
                                                              Blackscales
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Post by rahgnar »

Hmm i will work on bein better. but some of those rules i will have a hard time following
(eg. U 4 that type or thing, and also i have brought my mining an carpentry skills up an now i am training alot to build fighting up...is that a problem if it is i will try to do more other stuff)
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Post by Balbanes »

Bror, I train everyday in the Demon Cave, and also work to gain money to buy my potions for the training, please tell me if this is  a bad roleplay, I will change it rght away if you say so. I just love training, its part of my life training with demons. Tell me if this is bad roleplay.
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Post by Dyluck »

@rahgnar: It seems from the things you say, increasing your skills and getting stronger than others is your objective in this game. If that is true, then you're playing the wrong game.

@Balbanes: If you're fighting them it's ok, but if you're just standing there letting them attack you and chugging potions, there's something wrong here. Same comment though, if your objective is just to get stronger and fight, I'm sure there are other games with more interesting battles and leveling up systems than Illarion's "watch the little red x".


Just remember, when you do something, if you're thinking like a kid playing an online game in the year 2002 instead of medieval person, then you're doing something wrong.
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Post by rahgnar »

no i just am training so i can be better at killing(or more so in my case taking hits..stupid pker's...grrrr) so ppl dont gang up on me like being i got killed 3 times in the last week for selling stuff at to cheap o prices
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Post by rahgnar »

also i just remembered this. not to challenge you but you state that.

5) Names most likely start with an upper case letter ("el Chaduzon", "al Tawanzan" are counter examples)

now when  i made my character i tried to put Rahgnar but it said that i cant use capital letters so i used rahgnar instead so dont say i have to change my name (actually do ask me cus i wanted it Rahgnar) hehe
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Post by Balbanes »

No Dyluck, I dont let Demons just hit me and jug potions. I hit them back and kill them and take the loots to buy more potions later on. Thats how I do my training :)
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Post by Bror »

Quote: from rahgnar on 7:11 am on Mar. 21, 2002

5) Names most likely start with an upper case letter ("el Chaduzon", "al Tawanzan" are counter examples)

now when  i made my character i tried to put Rahgnar but it said that i cant use capital letters
I STRONGLY doubt that. Try to create a character named Rahgnar. The message will be "Character already exists". The spelling checks are done bofore it is checked if the character exists, so nothing is wrong with the spelling. If it said something about capital letters, it would have been a capital letter withing the name like "RAhgnar" or "RaHgnar".
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Post by Cosmaterra »

@blackscales


If you want to play a phsychotic murder okay,  try to roleplay this, you come town, said things like "MUahaha im sick, i kill you all, i get you...etc"
And you make your words truth, think about what have the people do in Middel Age with such persons....

I know it... grap them hang them!

Think about it.
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Post by Damien »

The role of a psychotic murderer :

A psychotic murderer would NEVER kill people in open places. They do that when there are NO witnesses around. They try to hide their doings - all others are in jail or worse. It may even be, that a psychotic killer looks normal and calm to other persons... man, did you never watch psycho ? Look at "Norman Bates". He does not go out in the public and kills people. He thinks he is a normal and good person, nut suffers under his mother's insanity. Of course he must protect his mother at all cost. The only thing he does NOT know is that hid mother is dead, and HE plays being his mother...
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Post by Ishans Schatten »

If someone has problems to find a good name, you will find under follow adress:

http://www.candlekeep.com/library/treasures.htm

3 Name generator (for Elves,dwarfes and drows) this namegenerators are freeware and very easy to use

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Wenn jemand Probleme hat, sich einen Namen auszudenken der findet unter:

http://www.candlekeep.com/library/treasures.htm

3 Namensgeneratoren für Elfen, Zwerge und drows. Sie sind Freeware und sehr einfach zu bentuzen

(Ich hoffe Bror & co haben nichts dagegen das ich hier auf andere Seiten verweise)
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Post by Peggy Komoshio »

Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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No RPG, No Account.
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well, once again.  I think it does take time.  For crying out loud, I knew nothing about this style of RPG before I got here.  The only type of RPG before I got here is Final Fantasy.  Like, litterly, going around wacking people, saying the predefined sentences Square Soft had programmed in...
Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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2) Names/titles: A name is something your parents give you, when you are born. "Superdude" and "The Necromancer" are therefore no names. "Kerklan the Mage" isn't a name too. "Kerklan" is the name. "the Mage" is a Title. If you create such names, you will be mailed to change the name. If you get mailed, don't change the name and the character gets deleted after a few days - don't create it again. Consequences pending.
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Quote: from rules http://pc-cad0.informatik.unibw-muenche ... es_us.html
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4. Names
Player names should fit into a medieval surrounding. Names without any sense, or which aren't names/titles (for example "A mage", "Karl is stupid" ...) will be deleted.
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under no section of the rules I found info in regards to not having names such as my old one, Peace Keeper.  It is only indicated here that you have to use names that's provided by your folks.  May I suggest that you take out the part of "/title"?  That way people may not use titles like what I've done with my old name.

Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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1) "You suck", "smile Off", "Asshole" are clearly no signs of roleplaying. Some insults might be roleplaying, but select words, that might be used in the dark ages like "bastard", "heretic" or "witch" (please no discussion about religious discrimination - this is meant to be an IC insult, not a RL insult against any Wiccan or other religion)
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I think "you suck" existed, no?  I'm not too good with history.  Correct me if I'm wrong tho.
Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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4) Write full sentences and words. "u", "4 u", "c u", "y", "lol", "peeps" etc. is no sign of roleplay
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too many newbies are using those, and I don't think they get the point.  I know it'd be alot of work, but perhaps send all of them who use it a nasty email about it would help?  :)
Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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6) Postings with no content except lol, :-) etc. are concidererd as board spaming.
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I don't see how "lol" and ":)" being the only content of the post are considered not spamming.  It's an obvious attempt to boost their post count...
Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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2) Illarion is a free game in alpha stage. You don't pay any money, so you don't get any service, that we don't want to give. Emails that include things like "I demand" or "I want compensation" are turned down no matter what has happened. Mails with friendly pleas or proposals are concidered.
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a little off topic, but anyways...  My friend Gurdman, and I are programing a similar game.  We were wondering if we could email you for programming tips while paying you with in game "token of appreciation"?
Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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3) If you have a brother or sister: Think about it, if you want them in the game. It happens often, that they don't have the slightest understanding of roleplaying and violate almost every rule in their first hour. If they use your characters or your computer/internet connection, it might get some confusions, because we can't always distinguish between your characters and the others. If an IP ban is the only solution to get rid of this trouble maker, your characters will be included too.
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IP ban probably isn't the best solution, as people like me have dynmatic IP.  May I suggest that once you get an account system, use account ban.  That way the same person can't have multiple IPs and just run off...
Quote: from Bror on 12:52 pm on Mar. 20, 2002
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1) If the only thing we see you doing in the game is killing and training, this makes us at least suspicious
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I'm very certain there are people in medieval time period who does nothing but train.  Even though this is against RPing, but I think they should be allowed.  May I suggest a different look at things?  There are people who does nothing but training, and then there's powergamers.  Training people have to train a full varity of things, while powergamer only focus on their fighting or magic area.  If you want to train alot, which is considered "powergame" at the current moment, balance your training out with crafting and others.  I'm sure some people won't like this idea, but I'm pretty sure that most would do.

(Edited by Peggy Komoshio at 5:51 pm on Mar. 21, 2002)


(Edited by Peggy Komoshio at 5:56 pm on Mar. 21, 2002)
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Post by rahgnar »

hey this is off topic but...how do you do those nifty Quote things? and yes bror i tried to put it in as exactly "Rahgnar" and it said that all letters must be in lowercase. so i used "rahgnar"
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Post by Sharag »

In my opinion, there are surely some problems with real roleplaying, too.

Take elves and us dwarves for example.

Of how many did you hear liking each other? (Except those two in Lord of the Rings)

What am I supposed to do now as dwarf, standing in the middle of half a dozen of those thin beanpoles?  ;)

A real dwarf would get angry as hell at them being everywhere around.
Furthermore, I don't think, that every dwarf, neither every elf will think up a background-story of "being a good friend to the other race".

Of course, this works the other way round.
If all of the dwarves and all of the elves would do real RPG, there could never be peace again.

It's only an example.
I surely could find others. Do you want to keep hobbits like Lennier for example out of work, because traditionally hobbits like a calm, easy and pleasant life? That's not the hard-working Lennier, I heard of...

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As Ishans Schatten already posted a name generator, here is another very good one:

http://www.barrowdowns.com/middleearthname.asp?Size=

It provides you with dwarven, elvish, hobbit and even orcish names.
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Post by Groldan Gnamus »

Well,real roleplaying in Illarion is,to play a race of a medievil fantasy world.You can be dwarf.elf etc.But the best thing is,that you have nothing that stops you,when you want to be a dwarfen elffriend.Or an elfen dwarffriend.There are no barrikades that stop you to play a noble ork!Good roleplaying is to create something new!Roleplaying is to do what you want (without hurting the rules).Think of it.
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Post by Sharag »

@Groldan: I really know, what you mean, but the matter is, that there's not only one dwarf around (you and me are already two :) ) or one elf. 95% dwarves or elves being friends would be very unrealistic and nothing new, at all.

Maybe the gods can think up a background story of some kind of "Great Peace" between all races....
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Post by Groldan Gnamus »

Trolls Bane couldn't exist without the peace.There is no war between peoples,but between people,thats a difference!The races accept each other,so there is peace and there MUST be peace for a good economy!
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Post by Bror »

@rahgnar: If you are sure, that your client told you, that all letters of your name must be lowercase, I would suggest stop using the client. It must be highly modified and no client that we have released. Therefore it may include viruses or any other dangerous program code. The original client doesn't include such a message.

@Peggy Komoshio: "Postings with no content except lol, :-) etc. are concidererd as board spaming.".
"except" should be related to "no content" not "Postings". I.e. lol, :-) etc are spam postings too.

If you have questions programming, you can write me, but make sure, you know something about programming before. Please no "I have never programmed before, but I want to create my own online game. Can you guide me in the first steps...". I had such mails before...

Trust me, I know about dynamic IPs and don't IP ban with dynamic IPs until it is hardly needed and the dynamic IP is clearly a class C address.
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Post by Astral »

@Bror:
I have two computers at my house which are connected via network.  Is it alright to play a character on one computer while another person plays another on the other computer?  

(ex)

I play Astral on one computer
My friend plays _____ on the other computer

I would never use it for combat purposes, the only thing I ever do when I have had both computers used is mining.  Will they appear from the same IP?



And my character has no description currently since it was my first character and I paid not too much attention (example of needing email system)

I would be happy to make a description if you want me to.




@Everyone else:
Yes, I am back! :biggrin:
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Post by Tse »

How to name a rock. Or character.

http://www.mimir.net/btts/features/namerock.html
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Post by Bror »

Astral: I can't see anything wrong with two persons playing two different characters, and I don't see the sense of the question.
To the other question: They will appear with the same IP.
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Post by Peggy Komoshio »

@Bror:
I think he meant, when you're looking into the log, two people were out there, trading and chatting, but some how have the same IP.  Would they be in trouble?

While we're at this slight off topic issue, I want to state that I have two machines in my house also.  Located in the same room, who ever grabs the fast one wins.  so just incase you see two ppl, one being me, and another on the same IP, it only means we're both playing.

By the way, thanks for the help.
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Post by Kadar »

@Bror I fear in my haste I didn't fill out my charictor description. I would be happy to write one tho'. Also I don't talk to people much in game, but also in real life I don't talk to people much so would it be ok if I played a sort of 'hermit' charictor?
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Post by Bombor »

I'm no longer sure if I filled out the creation form completely ( character description ).
Also I do not know if the e-mail address I gave at the time still exists, as I now have a new one created just for this character.

So could someone please tell me how to get back to the character creations information list, that I may control and perhaps correct the necessary information.

As for roleplaying, I AM guilty of training a lot, though this is done for the simple reason, that being. I was once harassed a lot and killed in a former life. All that I worked for was destoyed, this will not happen again.
Though I do not train only, as some may vouch for me that I also help the new commers to learn the ways and aid in resolving unnecessary conflicts.

As for the reasoning that was made earlier, "Dwarfs and Elves do not get allong", I will soon marry an Elfin. So much to that theory. :)

@ Bror, could you please tell me how to delete a former char. as I do no longer wish to use them and so the names may be set free. ( and they may rest in peace).
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Post by Bror »

To delete a character send me name and password.
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Post by Stefanf »

Bror, there's one thing I don't understand. You say role playing isn't about training very much (pay attention, I'm saying *very* much here, so I do understand).
But, what IS role playing about then? I know you have to play as if you were someone else: your character. But the game is in most parts all about training different skills, and making  money so you can get better armor or something like that. You don't have the freedom to do all sorts of weird things your character would do.
How are we supposed to fully role play if the game doesn't completely allow it?
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Post by martin »

skills are not everything.
you, as a real being (hopefully a human being) are more thant the facts that you
* can write (with an accuracy of 89%)
* can carve some wood
* can build a little toy-plane out of a piece of paper
* can kick your little brother such that he has to be treated in a hospital.
there are some more things which cause you to be yourself:
* the way you behave in certain situations (when you are in danger, when you are surrounded by people you like or dislike, when you are hungry, ...)
* the way you speak to people
* the way you interact
* the way you do certain things (i know people who need 40 minutes in the bathroom and others who are finished in less than 30 seconds, if you know what i mean; there are people who would never sit in front of the TV without eating chips and there are others who would never even think about eating when watching TV...)
if you did not get the point of this posting, you have two possibilities:
1) play something else, there are surely good games for you out there
2) learn how to roleplay, you'll understand my posting later ;)

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