NPC Inventory - the one for buying things

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:14 am

-I don't think he should sell arrows and other distance weapons because we have enough problems with not be able to see who fires long distance weapons, and especially newbie pks can now easily get access to an abudant supply of arrows and bolts for a measly price of 2 gold each. This also forces people to sell regular bolts and arrows at only 1 gold each in order to compete with the shop's price of 2 gold.

-same thing about the cakes. They are masterworks of their craft, and now bakers will have to sell them under 8 gold to compete with the shop

-maybe there's something implemented that I haven't found yet, but how on earth is one supposed to get grain now besides from other players who had it from the past?

(Edited by Dyluck at 2:19 am on Mar. 15, 2002)

Bombor · Post by **Bombor** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:31 am

I fully agree with Dyluck here.

There are far too many things in the shop, now there is no more competing with the other players for a good price.
Aren’t we supposed to be Bakers any more ?

Buying ( now expensive ) Grain from others to bake (now under priced ) goods, you can’t be serious.
Not what I would call one of the better ideas.

And what are the berries for? I never found that out. Apart from a slight healing effect, to make some Wine would be a good idea. (but not buying finished wine from the shop).

Wow this is my first critic message. :biggrin:

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 12:01 pm

Well I don't think that buying grain from others is such a bad idea, I was just wondering if maybe it was left out of the shop by accident.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 12:58 pm

Cake is Cake. It is a masterwork kind of course, but it is simple food. One cake is eight times more worth than a fish, and sixteen times more worth than an apple. Sounds okay for me, though.

Bombor · Post by **Bombor** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:07 pm

My point exactly Damian,
cake being as important as it is needs a good price. This is not possible when the prices at the shop are too reasonable.

This reduces the possibility of a baker earning a decent wage.

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:01 pm

Ahhh! Attack of the killer prices!
(Btw, why are you selling a heavy dagger in the shop? Those are dangerous!)
And boy, I didn't think the NPC needed to sell cake. I mean, come on!

rahgnar · Post by **rahgnar** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 6:11 pm

i actually thought the prices where to expensive....also i dont know if anyone said this b4 but i think that whatever people sell into it...should be in the shop like depending on how much there is that is the price...that would prolly be pretty hard to program though

rahgnar · Post by **rahgnar** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 6:12 pm

and i like the grain thing cus i got a ton of it in my depo if anyone wants to buy some^_^

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:20 pm

@Bombor: Damien is opposing your opinion - just because you said he has exactly your point.

I have taken some of the things out of the shop.
Hasn't anyone realized, that the prices in the shop are the SMACC prices+20% ? The SMACC prices are supposed to get the merchants more money in their pockets and as far as I have heard, almost everyone agreed on theese prices (I haven't read the thread sice I don't have time for the RPG board). If the shopkeeper sells the items for 20% more money, it is supposed to guarantee the merchants to get at least the SMACC prices from other players.
Therefore the effect that you describe "the merchants can't earn a living anymore" should be completely different.

Bombor · Post by **Bombor** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:31 pm

OK OK

there I go shooting my mouth of and am prooven wrong .
Thanks for the lesson :biggrin:

Now I'm going to the shop!

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:02 pm

@Bror: If I understand this right, you mean that you put certain items in the shop for higher prices in order to make SMACC prices seem lower than the "shop standard"?

In my opinion it may not work. SMACC was supposed to guarantee a minimum price for items, but certain things in the shop will now guarantee the restriction of the maximum price of those items.

sir ganon · Post by **sir ganon** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 1:48 am

well i just have to say something here. lately i have given up fighting for making moneys and my views on this money thing are good i like it. and here are is a reason ^_^
1. back way when everything was cheap when i started playing i was a monster killing machine and why? because i could buy tons of items cheap meaning a little work and lots of play time which ment less roleplaying, now that items are getting more expensive people actually have to work! which means stupid pk's cant go buy items cheap and have fun. no now they have to work hard for the privalage to pk which to me makes since (and i havent noticed is the shop still selling grain or not? ) anywho when they have to work for say two hours for money for say arrows and such they feel more reluctante to part with there hard earned cash. BUT i have heard that people are starting to kill to reinforce this money thing while i dont agree with killing over some player being kind enough to give another player something a little cheaper than another few people want it i like this new money system.

these are my thoughts and if anyone thinks differently please say so ^_^

rahgnar · Post by **rahgnar** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 3:57 am

yea someone threatend to kill me b/c they said they where new(even though theyre number was in the 4xxx's) an he asked if i could sell him a knights sheild cheap..so i said how much money you have an he said 50gp an i said ok since you are new. an he said ok now i can kill you cus you are selling stuff to low now die (now he attacked me and didnt even hit me so i then proced to slit his throat with my sharp dagger that i paid entirely too much for

sir ganon · Post by **sir ganon** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 4:32 am

hahaha well yeah i havent heard stories so whats the word VIVID but also i forgot to put up a saying i always use " idle hands are the devils workshop " :biggrin:

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 5:03 am

I will be happy to sell the extinct grain for a fair price :biggrin:

sir ganon · Post by **sir ganon** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 5:30 am

you know guys i checked and it is still for sale only its now just 2 gold BIG DEAL!!!!

Peggy Komoshio · Post by **Peggy Komoshio** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 6:57 pm

he no longer sale any leather?? why not??

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Sat Mar 16, 2002 10:15 pm

Pigs give us leather, although it's nice to buy a few without any work now and then.

sir ganon · Post by **sir ganon** » Sun Mar 17, 2002 5:47 am

you know other than rhagnar no one has typed any critic messages about my opinion or is it just so good that no one has anything to say about it

:biggrin:

Sabrina · Post by **Sabrina** » Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:28 am

I loved Rahgars response hehe..

I have one of them daggers too.

Anyhow.. Bror did something in the game.. he's been doing alot lately, just pointing that out.

Anyhow... I guess the response behind all the other chat is why we are here.

Later guys, ill be back soon

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Mon Mar 18, 2002 11:25 am

If still anything should be removed from the inventory, write it here (any why). I think the inventory is too long, but I am not playing this game , so I don't know what's needed.
Next version, we will perhaps seperate the shopkeepers (one for armor/weapons, one for tools...).

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:08 pm

Hmm, if you could, take out the 2nd level dagger, and the Red Battle Staff. We only need the blue one, and a red one is a higher level to make, and still the same price.
Also, remove arrows, and throwing stars aren't really needed either.
You have to think, that if newbies just made (or stole) 30 maces, then sell them, then they would buy a battle staff or 2nd Dagger, and wipe each other out.
And thank you for removing the star necklace, as that is only 20 gold and a master blacksmith item (or level right below it)

sir ganon · Post by **sir ganon** » Mon Mar 18, 2002 3:00 pm

just a thought here but what i think we should do is take all weapons off the selling list or make them more expensive that way they can come to the merchants and or actually work in that craft till they can make what they want. i know this is murder on the newbies but who cares ; P