Bones

Mabz · Post by **Mabz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:49 pm

Hey, I was wondering if when you slay an animal it would be possible for you to not only collect its entrails and meat but also its bones? they could be used for many things like crushed with the mortar and used by druids. Also carved with the carving tools used for carpentry into things like handles and combs and things. And even encrusted with jewels!
It would probably take a long time to do it all but it would be great (well i think so).

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:55 pm

Problem is that no new items can be introduces to the system at the moment.
Yes, more items from corpses would be nice. How about a new skill to get things from corpses, something like "skinning" or "disembowel"? That would give the hunters something besides the shooting skill.

Post by **Jupiter** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:56 pm

A good start would be that skelleton drop their heads.
We have the grafic

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:58 pm

Magdha Tiefenerz wrote:How about a new skill to get things from corpses, something like "skinning" or "disembowel"?

Disembowelment is a method of execution to be honest

And I don't agree with the new skill idea, since killing animals for leather ect is one of the things a newbie fighter can do, best leave it that way.

Otherwise this'll fall under the 'we don't have graphics' heading. Sadly

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:59 pm

Jupiter wrote:A good start would be that skelleton drop their heads.
We have the grafic

This is just gross.

But you are right, there is a skull staff. It is for the more sinister types of characters I guess.

Post by **Jupiter** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:00 pm

A carpenter can use this skull to make such a staff, yes hehe.

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:02 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote: Disembowelment is a method of execution to be honest

To disembowel an animal means to get its entrails as far as I know. I checked it with my dictionary as well. But we can call it "dissection" or something else. And about the newbie fighter thing: Why not allow the skinning as the first step with this skill? Many skills start with "simple products". I'm not familiar with skinning so I can't tell how hard it is.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:12 pm

I think if you create two paths -

Fighter (Hunts pigs, then mummies, then skellies ect...)
and
Hunter (Hunts pigs and other animals)

Then nobody will skill up the hunter skill except the odd smith or tanner who doesn't buy the leather.

Nobody would want to train a skill to get bones and meat, when he can become a proper fighter and get all the nice stuff fighters get.

Mabz · Post by **Mabz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:11 pm

I wasnt really thinking about having a new skill more that there would be more objects and things to make and sell.

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:53 pm

Mabz wrote:I wasnt really thinking about having a new skill more that there would be more objects and things to make and sell.

Yes, I think we are aware that you "just" proposed bones from corpses. I suggested the skill because I don't think that we should give things just for "free" to everyone. I would like to give players, who want to play something other than the "usual" fighter or mage, something to define their characters.

Hadrian_Abela wrote:I think if you create two paths -

Fighter (Hunts pigs, then mummies, then skellies ect...)
and
Hunter (Hunts pigs and other animals)

Then nobody will skill up the hunter skill except the odd smith or tanner who doesn't buy the leather.

Nobody would want to train a skill to get bones and meat, when he can become a proper fighter and get all the nice stuff fighters get.

I don't think that two paths would necessary. With the basic skill you can get meat or/and leather, so the usual fighter is not "punished". But if you want to get more precious or special things (e.g. bones, tooth, hide) from a corpse you have to be better with this skill. And that's when you have to train this skill.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:10 pm

Personally I think its much MUCH easier to get bones from a corpse then it is to cut its skin in a way that the leather doesn't fall to pieces.

But that's probably just me.

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:17 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:Personally I think its much MUCH easier to get bones from a corpse then it is to cut its skin in a way that the leather doesn't fall to pieces.

We can still exchange the leather for bones but I would consider this fine tuning of the skill.

Kranek · Post by **Kranek** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:18 pm

Proposal in german cause of my bad english. maybe someone could translate?

Man könnte doch Leichen einführen. Töte ein Schwein. Was bleibt is ne Schweineleiche. Diese benutzt man nun mit einem Messer/Dolch in der Hand.
Je nach Skill erhält man Leder, Fleisch, Eingeweide, Knochen, Klauen, Zähne etc.
Durch das ausnehmen steigt der Skill.
Dadurch wird auch das vermehrte töten der Schweine verhindert. Wie beim Bäumefällen: Je besser der Skill, desto mehr brauchbares Leder kriegt man von ner Sau.
Als temporäre Grafik für den Kadaver könnte man Eingeweide nehmen oder ähnliches.
Was sagt ihr?

Post by **Jupiter** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:26 pm

Dann führen wir doch einfach das Schlachterhandwerk ein

Das vermisse ich eh.

Pepe Zwirnfaden · Post by **Pepe Zwirnfaden** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:51 pm

Die idee ist klasse, dann werden die Kämpfer auch nicht so reich durch Leder und ähnliches.

Post by **Nitram** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:03 pm

Die Idee mit den Leichen ist nicht neu, aber durch aus gut. Das Problem das uns im Augenblick davon abhält ist die Tatsache das wir die Modelle der Originalcharaktere in weiten Teilen nicht mehr haben und so verhindert wird das wir sie in anderen... Positionen rendern und ins Spiel bringen.

Kranek · Post by **Kranek** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:53 pm

eine leiche mit der rgafik von eingeweiden würde als übergangslösung langen denke ich.
macht einfach ein item "schweine kadaver" mit eingeweidegrafik und dem script.
ich denke der mangel an grafiken sollte sowas nich aufhalten. im notfall kann man rechtzeitig zu nem neuen clientupdate (grafikeinbau) einfach n screenshot nehmen, bissl blut dann und drehen. als provisirum langt das denke ich...

Post by **Jupiter** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:52 pm

Kranek wrote:einfach n screenshot nehmen, bissl blut dann und drehen. als provisirum langt das denke ich...

Klingt bißchen wie Schweinebraten mit Ketchup

Kranek · Post by **Kranek** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:16 pm

jau....nur mit weniger kalorien *g*

Telathon · Post by **Telathon** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:47 pm

Bitte bedenkt bei Leichen und dem ganzen Kram, das hier auch Jugendliche unter 18 Jahren spielen.

Post by **Nitram** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:54 am

Solange sich die Spieler an die Empfohlenen 16 Jahre alten seh ich da kein großes Problem

Mabz · Post by **Mabz** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:58 am

i cant understand german! so is this a good idea or not? i think it would be good to do the skill thing like you have to trian it to collect the bones and the teeth is a good idea too.

Post by **Nitram** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:42 am

The idea is alright but not ugent to be realized.

Aldan Vian · Post by **Aldan Vian** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:54 am

THough I think it would be awsome if its ever added!

Telathon · Post by **Telathon** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:54 am

Nitram wrote:Solange sich die Spieler an die Empfohlenen 16 Jahre alten seh ich da kein großes Problem

Auch, die unter 16 dürfen einfach nicht hinschauen

hmm...eine System-Message: "Unter 16 Jahren bitte nicht hinschauren. Hinschauen auf eigene Gefahr!"

Kranek · Post by **Kranek** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:23 pm

Wir könnten bei U-16 Spielern nen Zensurbalken drüber kleben. Ebenso bei Vulgärsprache oder ähnlichem...
Ich wette, dass es dann Wettbewerbe gibt, wer den Bildschirm komplett schwarz kriegt *g*

Thanseus Valerian · Post by **Thanseus Valerian** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:10 pm

Jetz mal ehrlich^^^Heutzutage sieht sich eh jedes 10 Jährige Kind Saw usw. an. Da wird so ne Leichengrafik in nem Mittelalter Fantasy Spiel ja wohl nicht so schlimm sein

Djironnyma · Post by **Djironnyma** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:43 pm

Es ist vollkommen gleich was irgendwelche zehnjähriegen Kids tun. Es geht weder um Vernunft noch Moral noch Ethik sondern um die Rechtssicherheit des Vereins.

Solange Illarion keinen effektiven Altersschutz hat (was wohl weder angestrebt noch technisch machbar ist) wird es keine jugendgefährdenden Inhalte geben, dazu zählen wohl auch all zu gewaltsame Darstellungen.