~A Note and some pages are passed around in TrollsBane by priests~
Peoples of Gobaith,
I know that Gobaith is rather isolated from the Mainland, and 'scholarly' work from the Mainland is difficult to obtain here. Allow me to share with you a few chapters of the Book "Commentaries", written by Priests over the centuries on the Mainland based on what is known of the History of the Gods.
The Work is rather extensive, with citations, corrections and many thoughts. However, I have summarized it's main points for you to consider and discuss.
I warn you though, please keep an open mind, and validate the sources on your own. I always found this work fascinating, and discussed it's findings many a time over a warm glass of cider. I Pray it may inspire discussion here too.
In Humble prayers,
~Father Thyme
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((OOC Note: This is all based on the "History of Gods in Illarion" and Wikipedia. It is intended as a fun point of discussion, not fact. Enjoy!))
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 87-156~
Ushara assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Oldra and Irmorom are Ushara’s children, Sister and Brother, both Gods of “Earth”. One above, one below.
Dwarven Legends state that Ushara gave a stone to Irmorom to create the Dwarves, however, how could Irmorom have created Dwarves if he came after their creation?
Irmorom must have been selected from the Race of Dwarves, and became their “God”. Why the Dwarves view this differently, we shall not know.
It is surmised, Oldra is Ushara’s daughter because they are similar in manner, and she ‘inherited’ all of Ushara’s followers when she left Illarion.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 163-267~
Bragon assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Malachin, Zhambra, Moshran, Cherga and Ronagan are Bragon’s children, four Brothers and one sister, all Gods of “War, Battle, Death and Undead”. From left to right, they are Noble to Devious. Bragon’s element of Fire accounts for this “Fire” of his loins, as well as the ‘untempered’ nature of this element.
It is best to begin with Moshran, for the Family history, and disgrace falls upon him. Moshran is considered Bragon’s son by indirect evidence of Bragon’s willingness to help him create the Orcs, as well as his attempts to help Moshran after the battle with Madrook. Moshran’s followers had access to Bragon’s Dragons in order to steal them, creating the Black Dragons later. It makes sense that Moshran, deformed and disfigured, is Bragon’s son. Both are Gods of the Hunt.
Ronagan is considered Moshran’s Brother because he and Cherga freed Moshran from his prison for no ‘apparent’ reason. Plus, Ronagan fought alongside Moshran against Mardrook and his escort. Ronagan was close to Moshran, and very possibly a relative.
Cherga is considered Bragon’s Daughter due to the fact that she aided Ronagan in Moshran’s release from prison for no ‘apparent’ reason. Her manner and purpose is also a mix of Ronagan and Moshran. There is no direct evidence.
Malachin and Zhambra are considered Bragon’s sons as well due to the fact that it was they, who also fought Madrook’s army, tried to talk to Moshran when he was jailed, and are very similar to Bragon himself. They are considered his “Good” Children. There is no other ‘direct’ evidence.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 267-296~
Eldan assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Elara is Eldan’s only daughter, both Gods of “Learning and Spirit”. One Elder, one Younger.
It is surmised, Elara is Eldan’s daughter because they are similar in manner, similar in Name, and similar in purpose. Considering both Gods prefer isolation, no direct evidence exists.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 296-348~
Tanora assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Sirani is Tanora’s only daughter, both Gods of “Water and Life”. One Elder, one Younger.
Tanora also had a lover, Manron Petranor (Human?), who fathered Lizardfolk via Tanora.
It is surmised, Sirani is Tanora’s daughter because they are similar in manner and similar in purpose. No direct evidence exists.
Tanora is the only Elder God still visiting Illarion, and has not passed her followers on to her daughter yet.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 356-403~
Findari assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Nargun and Adron are Findari’s children, two Brothers, both Gods of “Air, Chance and Song”. One chaotic, one lawful.
It is surmised, Adron is Findari’s son because no other Elder God inspires Arts, and Music. Adron obtained this from someone, and we infer it to be Findari. Considering Findari is unpredictable, no direct evidence exists.
It is surmised, Nargun is Findari’s son because no other Elder God inspires Chaos and Prophecy. Nargun obtained this from someone, and we infer it to be Findari. Considering Findari is unpredictable, this fits but no direct evidence exists.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 87-156~
Ushara assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Oldra and Irmorom are Ushara’s children, Sister and Brother, both Gods of “Earth”. One above, one below.
Dwarven Legends state that Ushara gave a stone to Irmorom to create the Dwarves, however, how could Irmorom have created Dwarves if he came after their creation?
Irmorom must have been selected from the Race of Dwarves, and became their “God”. Why the Dwarves view this differently, we shall not know.
It is surmised, Oldra is Ushara’s daughter because they are similar in manner, and she ‘inherited’ all of Ushara’s followers when she left Illarion.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 163-267~
Bragon assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Malachin, Zhambra, Moshran, Cherga and Ronagan are Bragon’s children, four Brothers and one sister, all Gods of “War, Battle, Death and Undead”. From left to right, they are Noble to Devious. Bragon’s element of Fire accounts for this “Fire” of his loins, as well as the ‘untempered’ nature of this element.
It is best to begin with Moshran, for the Family history, and disgrace falls upon him. Moshran is considered Bragon’s son by indirect evidence of Bragon’s willingness to help him create the Orcs, as well as his attempts to help Moshran after the battle with Madrook. Moshran’s followers had access to Bragon’s Dragons in order to steal them, creating the Black Dragons later. It makes sense that Moshran, deformed and disfigured, is Bragon’s son. Both are Gods of the Hunt.
Ronagan is considered Moshran’s Brother because he and Cherga freed Moshran from his prison for no ‘apparent’ reason. Plus, Ronagan fought alongside Moshran against Mardrook and his escort. Ronagan was close to Moshran, and very possibly a relative.
Cherga is considered Bragon’s Daughter due to the fact that she aided Ronagan in Moshran’s release from prison for no ‘apparent’ reason. Her manner and purpose is also a mix of Ronagan and Moshran. There is no direct evidence.
Malachin and Zhambra are considered Bragon’s sons as well due to the fact that it was they, who also fought Madrook’s army, tried to talk to Moshran when he was jailed, and are very similar to Bragon himself. They are considered his “Good” Children. There is no other ‘direct’ evidence.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 267-296~
Eldan assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Elara is Eldan’s only daughter, both Gods of “Learning and Spirit”. One Elder, one Younger.
It is surmised, Elara is Eldan’s daughter because they are similar in manner, similar in Name, and similar in purpose. Considering both Gods prefer isolation, no direct evidence exists.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 296-348~
Tanora assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Sirani is Tanora’s only daughter, both Gods of “Water and Life”. One Elder, one Younger.
Tanora also had a lover, Manron Petranor (Human?), who fathered Lizardfolk via Tanora.
It is surmised, Sirani is Tanora’s daughter because they are similar in manner and similar in purpose. No direct evidence exists.
Tanora is the only Elder God still visiting Illarion, and has not passed her followers on to her daughter yet.
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries", pages 356-403~
Findari assisted the other Four Elder Gods to create “Humans, Elves, Halflings and Dwarves” in the Age of Dawn.
Centuries later, eleven worthy representatives were then chosen as the Younger Gods. The Elder Gods then “altered their existence” making them immortal too. We believe this means “kin”. Therefore the Gods had sons and daughters from the four races.
Nargun and Adron are Findari’s children, two Brothers, both Gods of “Air, Chance and Song”. One chaotic, one lawful.
It is surmised, Adron is Findari’s son because no other Elder God inspires Arts, and Music. Adron obtained this from someone, and we infer it to be Findari. Considering Findari is unpredictable, no direct evidence exists.
It is surmised, Nargun is Findari’s son because no other Elder God inspires Chaos and Prophecy. Nargun obtained this from someone, and we infer it to be Findari. Considering Findari is unpredictable, this fits but no direct evidence exists.
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Last but not least, the most controversial part is that of Moshran. It is within the story of Moshran's sacrifice for all Illarion when he took upon himself the curse of Madrook, that we realize this once beautiful and blessed of all the Gods, suddenly became burnt, scarred and hurt.
His Goodness was overcome by madness. Tanora and Elara hid Madrooks armor and sword from him, and they were certain it would cure his madness in time. I shall not dispute their wisdom.
The idea that Good resides in Moshran, is vindicated by the actions of Tanora and Elara to save him. As time passes without Madrook's sword and armor, Moshran supposedly becomes 'better'. We can only pray it is soon that the Lord of the Hunt, not the Lord of Blood, returns to us.
~Father Thyme
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries" pages 234-256~
Moshran tried to create his own Pantheon of races and “Demigods” after his injuries and ‘Madness’ from the battle with Madrook, cursed by the former enemy. Tanora and Elara took his Armor and Sword, confident that without them, Moshran’s madness will cure itself. However during his madness, Moshran created much destruction.
Moshran was assisted by Bragon to create the Orcs, as a way to cheer him up after his loss to Madrook. However, he took this knowledge of “Race” creation, and passed it on to his three most trusted followers. He had two sons and a daughter too by direct evidence.
Dracorog, most likely stole the Dragon Eggs from Bragon and created the “Black Dragons”. Bjolmer was given command over Demons and Cherass, over the Undead.
It is unknown when Moshran will return to sanity, he slowly regains it each year. Until then, we must wait, and guard Madrook’s sword and armor from him.
His Goodness was overcome by madness. Tanora and Elara hid Madrooks armor and sword from him, and they were certain it would cure his madness in time. I shall not dispute their wisdom.
The idea that Good resides in Moshran, is vindicated by the actions of Tanora and Elara to save him. As time passes without Madrook's sword and armor, Moshran supposedly becomes 'better'. We can only pray it is soon that the Lord of the Hunt, not the Lord of Blood, returns to us.
~Father Thyme
~From the pages of the Book "Commentaries" pages 234-256~
Moshran tried to create his own Pantheon of races and “Demigods” after his injuries and ‘Madness’ from the battle with Madrook, cursed by the former enemy. Tanora and Elara took his Armor and Sword, confident that without them, Moshran’s madness will cure itself. However during his madness, Moshran created much destruction.
Moshran was assisted by Bragon to create the Orcs, as a way to cheer him up after his loss to Madrook. However, he took this knowledge of “Race” creation, and passed it on to his three most trusted followers. He had two sons and a daughter too by direct evidence.
Dracorog, most likely stole the Dragon Eggs from Bragon and created the “Black Dragons”. Bjolmer was given command over Demons and Cherass, over the Undead.
It is unknown when Moshran will return to sanity, he slowly regains it each year. Until then, we must wait, and guard Madrook’s sword and armor from him.