Rogue within the name rules? I belive so, hehe.

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:56 am

I hope this doesn't burst your family reunion but Mania is German and was therefore probably accepted by a German GM. I do not know if mania is a German word or not but if it's not this would be a very simple explanation for this problem. If he was accepted by a person who doesn't recognize it as a word (as it's not their native tongue) then they could not have screened the name on the application. The name could have also been one of many on the application and not the first name; this would probably have been skimmed over and allowed into the game by chance rather than on purpose if this were the case. Once in the game, Mania would be playing at times different than that of the US GMs and therefore would slip through the cracks, they (the player of Mania) may not even recognize their name is an english word.

Sean, on the other hand is quite obviously a native English speaker and should know that Rogue is a word (as he stated he did) and should not expect the rules to be bent just for him because he's played in the past (and appears to not have an application as of yet for some mysterious reason). If he threw away his story of his character because the name was not acceptable that does not speak wonders for his abilities to interact with others in the game. There's a good chance he would be enraged by some slight and go on a rampage and kill many people for some miniscule reason.

Now that the character of Mania has been brought to the attention of the proper authorities however, he should have his name changed to keep the rules fair and balanced to all players regardless of native language.

sean · Post by **sean** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:08 am

ninny, can I call you ninny?

I could make a character called Dwa Dye<s (which is cree, my NATIVE language.) and would it be accepted, probably not, becuase its not a native word or words is it?

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:18 am

You can call me Ninny if you wish for I have thick skin. You just said yourself that it was your native language and therefore comprised of words so I don't think they would accept it for that reason. If for some reason you wanted to be called something in your native language that nobody else understood I doubt they would know and would accept it but you would have to live your illarion life being known as some word or set of words. If you ask me this would just be to satisfy a personal grudge against the staff as well as to appease your own egotistical, self-gratifying nature (I'm not calling you this but I'm saying this would appear to be the case if you were to do so.)

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:41 am

I don't see the problem here. I understand not using actual words if they don't fit in the medievil times (something like fartface for example shouldn't pass) but I think that Rogue fits right in. So what's wrong with it.

By the way isn't Cain an actual word. No offense cain, just trying to state the point that some names might be actual words but still work good as a name.

A few examples:
Crystal
Angel
Bob
John
I could go on and on.

sean · Post by **sean** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:50 am

The word you are thinking of is cane.

Bumbol Woodstock · Post by **Bumbol Woodstock** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:07 am

Angel is a name, a name of well, an Angel, you call something it, so it is a name.

Crocket · Post by **Crocket** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:23 am

sean wrote:The word you are thinking of is cane.

Cain is also a word and it's in the dictionary.
He was the son of Adam and Eve.

I'm not against it though, I think it's an excellent medievil name.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 6:08 am

1. Cain from the Bible is not a modern day well known person, so would be allowed.
2. Common names that are also words are usually allowed.
Crystal, Krystal, Angel, Bob, John, etc.. would be allowed. Yes, they are words, but they are recognized as names.

Rogue is not recognized as a name, it is recognized as an identiy, a thief, a rogue. Rogue in the X-Men was taking it as a descriptive name. Such as Spider Man is description and wouldn't be allowed, The Incredible Hulk wouldn't be allowed, etc...

As for Manic, I'm sure it was just an oversight by the German GM not recognizing it as an English word (very common).

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 7:38 pm

As Sean pointed out, Rouge is a word and violates one of the name rules.
Even if Sean pointed out, that it is acceptable anyway, it is not.

@Sean: You caused a lot of trouble before and have been banned and warned for rule violations more than once. Do you really think, that it is a good strategy to come back and try to ignore the rules even before your account is accepted?
And keep in mind: If you succeed in getting an account and you misbehave this time and get banned, you can't just create a new character, you have to apply for an account again (and have to convince the Account-GM that you are a different person, as you did often before, but were always recognized).

sean · Post by **sean** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 7:53 pm

wow bror, and I thought you liked me....we had some good times together dude.....oh well, guess I may as well leave.

*packs up his things and heads for the waiting car*

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:45 pm

sean wrote:Cain, good to see you old man! and your so right, always so right....

hey did your arm ever get fixxed?

*takes that moment of silence*

good game, damn good game...

Though I dont remember you all too well, its good to see you again as well. And yes, my arm is fixed.

@Everyone: I'm still not sure why Rogue shouldn't be accepted as a name, it can easily be used as one, just as Sssskthsss can be for a lizard. Just a jumble of letters in smooth, "s" sounds. Well now, I guess any combination of letters thrown together could be a name, couldn't it? Am I wrong? I'm sure you will say I am. Okay, so Mania is a german name, fine. How about Bran? Is that a german name too? Just a question, no one is meant to take offense towards it.

Examples of names with jumbled letters:
Kalthir
Grinnioth
Dra'nkar Bennor
Millock
Dematar
Lilanthia Desana

These "names" are just letters I threw together, yet they would be considered names. Is it because they sound like they could be some crazy name? Well Rogue sounds like it could be a name. I sure would not name my child Kalthir, then again, I wouldn't name my child Rogue. So what makes these names so applicable, a jumble of letters, versus something that at least has a definition...?

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 8:57 pm

@Cain The name 'Rogue' is not acceptable because as Serpardum so pointed out so well it is a common word that is used to define the medieval class 'thief'. "Kalthir" is acceptable because it does not infringe on any of the name rules you can read in the Name Rules link of this webpage. It's not how the name sounds like that determines its eligibility...so a name like Ssshakr would acceptable for a lizardman because it fits into the roleplaying atmosphere of illarion and doesn't infringe on the name rules.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:28 pm

Dare I go through the dictionary and find all the people whose names are also words? Never got a response about Bran... perhaps you should try reading my entire post, Elaralith. As you always seem to tell others to do.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:47 pm

@Cain Stop talking nonsense. I read your entire post, and you would do well to do the same for mine.

If you didn't get it that is unfortunate for you, but in my post I already answered your question concerning the name 'Bran'. Perhaps you should read the Name Rules of illarion again thoroughly this time if you even did read them once before.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:52 pm

Talking nonsense? No, you clearly did NOT address the name Bran. You hint towards things already mentioned previously to make yourself sound dignified when you do not even get to the point. Quit fooling around and actually ANSWER questions for once.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:03 am

@Cain If posting properly and with proper english grammar makes me 'dignified' so be it. A side effect that I did not intend, but seems to occur. I would rather have my readers understand what I say, and not annoy them with sentences like "yea, lol...i agere, tisu sksu"
And if you did not see the answer you were looking for in my previous posts that is your misfortune and nothing I can do will change that; I'm sorry, but I have tried my best to answer you.

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:04 am

Note: even though I told him to get a better name. It shoud be acceptable. as Elaralith said

The name 'Rogue' is not acceptable because as Serpardum so pointed out so well it is a common word that is used to define the medieval class 'thief'.

..a medieval thief. Ah see...

Still he could use a better name, too bad the show X-men took it, its so popular

I gave you 2 names already in the beginning of this thread. Why not use them ?

I support you cain.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:11 am

What the hell Elaralith?! You did no such thing as to show me an answer pertaining in anyway to the name Bran. Don't you dare mock me and say it is my misfortune that I cannot find the answer in your vague responses. Not everyone can read minds, oh Goddess Elaralith. Bran is a word, I asked how the hell someone could get that name if it was a word, yet someone could not have the name Rogue. You NEVER once answered that question in anyway.

Also, it isnt your "proper english" and "proper grammar." Its the way you avoid every single question someone asks by throwing in something to the extent of, "Well, I have already answered that question and if you cannot see my answer, I am sorry for you." Maybe you should try directly answering someone for once, you might come to find that you are ACTUALLY helping someone.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:19 am

@Cain I think you should calm yourself before you lose your board privileges with your flames. As I said, I have already tried my best to answer your question, and I can do no more. You should try finding help from someone else. I for one will not tolerate the flames you hand out so frequently to everyone that answers your question, but you don't understand.
And what is it with the "Goddess Elaralith"? Is that supposed to mean something in this OOC board? ....Well you said it, but I really don't want you worshipping my person in RL. Please find someone else for any cult you may wish to start...

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:22 am

Well, sean should have created a name within all the rules and not just some of them.

Elaralith you and Cain have, I believe equal parts in this "flame war". The only person Cain got into a "flame war" recently as you. I got into a flame war with you. Sean got into a flame war with you. Perhaps it is not the fault of everyone else but you, but most people including you...

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:25 am

@Roke True, all the people you listed have started flame wars. I have not participated (fortunately) in any of them to any extent.

sean · Post by **sean** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:38 am

Roke, he dont understand (break it down)

Big E, we think your the cuase of the problems here, and the one who started the flames wars.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:39 am

Sure you haven't Elaralith, sure. Keep telling yourself that and maybe someday the Lying Faerie will grant you a wish.

The "Goddess Elaralith" thing was to show how you are acting so ridiculous, as though you are better than everyone else.

Now, so as to not let this thread get locked like the last one...

I think that Rogue should be allowed as a legitimate name, since there are two people playing with the names, "Bran" and "Mad Murdog." Clearly Mad is not an applicable name as it is an expression of anger, over being an actual name. Now I wait for my words to be twisted by certain peoples....

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:41 am

The thread was appropriately locked because of the flame posts by people like you. I see though that you have learned nothing at all from the mistakes you made earlier that caused the previous thread to be locked.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:42 am

Elaralith stop it! Do you WANT this topic to get locked as well??????? You just CANT FRICKIN STOP CAN YOU?!?!?!? You have NO right to talk about mistakes and learning from them as though you never make any. So shut up and leave this crap alone. Talk about the ACTUAL topic, not about this other BULL.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:44 am

As I said you should leave, calm down, and get into a state where you don't yell and flame constantly, and get other people's threads locked.

sean · Post by **sean** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:44 am

it was locked becuase of YOU not us.

Thanks for your support cain, your a good guy and that goes alot for character nowadays.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:48 am

I'll calm down, Elaralith. Just as soon as you learn to accept the fact that you are responisble for the flames of recent.

Sean:
No need to thank me for the support. I have faith in your work and your reputation as a roleplayer, which is good enough for me to vouch for you

About me being a good guy though... I dunno.. I cant calm down, Elaralith is right about that. However, what she doesnt see is that she is causing this turmoil.

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:51 am

@Cain Good to see you calm down as I advised. After that you will see perhaps that you by lashing out at others like me have caused the turmoil.

sean · Post by **sean** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:53 am

aye cain, but some people are like that (like George bush, but for the sake of sakes, no politics here)

Usually they are raised with a silver spoon, in a big house, with everything they want.

I, of course was born with a plastic spoon, in apts most my life, and only got what I worked for.