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Post by martin »

maybe some of you don't agree with me, but there's an more or less important thing i want to say, and it's all about names.

this should be a roleplaying game, in contrary to games like tibia, which can't be considered as such. one reason are names; the names should fit into the world.
but many of the names i see do not fit into a medieval fantasy-world.
let's have a look at the current server-status:
> Souleater

does obviously not fit.

> Silvereagle

the same.

> Zydar Evileye

zydar.. ok. evil-eye...? well, hardly on the limit.

> GikoNyan

hmm.. change the capital n into a small one, and it seems ok.

> Whitelighter

no.

> Terobis
> Govinda
> oremona
> zonurian

all among these seem ok.

> rino

no.

> SakumNapster

no. napster seems to be related to - napster.

> Zalin

ok

> Genesis

no

> lord of mona

shouldn't "lord of" be contained in the title?

> Menreck

ok

> Bilbo

...
no.

however, i think it should be time to release some official rules for names.

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Post by Erdrick »

Hehehe, Martin, I am Bilbo :)
I just wanted to see halflings, so i made a character.
And why doesnt Genesis and Whitelighter fit?

Anyway, you are right some of the names dont make sense...

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Post by Bror »

I think there are a lot worse names than you mentioned. They consist of mixes of Upper/Lower case, numbers, special characters like %&§"$
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Post by Bror »

I have changed the new client to make at least some syntactic checks:
Names must
- must start with a letter
- not contain special characters (except foreign letters like â,á....)
- not have uppercase letters except at the start or after a space
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Post by martin »

well, i admit, i was a little strict ;)
wasn't bilbo the name (or part of it) of a movie or a character in a movie? i thought so.

Genesis is not only the band where phil collins was leadsinger (and drummer ;) ), it's the greek word for "origin" or emergence (or just genesis, which is an english word as well :) ). further it's a book of the bible.

Whitelighter are two usual english words put together. that doesn't make a good rpg-name.
think about the names tolkien (or other fantasy-authors) used...

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Post by Eleanor Rigby »

Bilbo is a name Tolkien used. :)

Namensregeln wie sie mir gefallen würden:

1.
Ordentliche Formatierung. Nicht mehr als einen Grossbuchstaben am Anfang, keine sinnlosen Leerzeichen.

2.
Keine Titel im Namen. Also sowas wie Sir, Lord.

3.
Keine Namen aus dieser Welt. Also keine Namen von bekannten Persönlichkeiten, keine Eigennamen, keine Schraubenzieher, Bohrmaschienen, Computer, allerdings auch keine Adler, Kamele...

4.
Namen die Kombinationen aus mehreren normalen englischen oder deutschen Wörtern sind sind erlaubt, solande diese Wörter im Kontext von Illarion Sinn machen, also nicht gegen 3. verstossen.

5.
Erlaubter Zeichensatz: Alle Buschstaben von A-Z und von a-z sowie Leerzeichen. Keine Umlaute.

Aber meiner Meinung nach sollte Illarion das herkömmliche Namenssystem sowieso nicht verwenden sondern das namenlose System das ich schon mehrmals gepostet habe verwenden.
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Post by martin »

@bilbo: sure, it's the hobbit... somehow my word-processor doesn't work properly.
some of the rules you suggested will be realized independently of your wishes ;)
but some of ýour rules are not very luckily choosen:
e.g. the possible letters you suggest are not sufficient. at least, i would include:
a "." at the end of the name, when the letter before is one of the following:
I, V, X
in order to eventually have names like "Ludwig XIV." (note: in german, there is a dot at the end; in the english version, it would be "Ludwig XIV"! so, this rule might be reconsidered...).
signs like á, à, ', ... should be allowed, e.g. for lizardish names ("Tssan'laasá" would fit perfectly to a lizardman ;) )
for titles there is an own field in the "create character"-dialog.

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Post by Eleanor Rigby »

I am still against dots in names, because names like Ludwig XIV. are more titles than names.
I think accents (like á or è) on letters would be ok.
You don't see the title you gave yourself in the char-creation dialog.
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Post by martin »

dots in names should be reconsidered. e.g. for names like j.j.r. tolkien, dots would ne necessary, the question is: would this be a legal name (except for reasons of rl-correlations of the name...)? or Dr. Frankenstein? (are there academic titles in illarion? maybe we should consider that (as titles, of course) for magical academies ;) ).
however, the "XIV." in a name is part of the name. but i'm not sure wether to forbid this or not.

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Post by Captain Kirk »

Hallo

das mit punkt 3 erinnert mich eher an copyright und co

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Post by Eleanor Rigby »

Nein, Punkt 3 hat nichts mit Copyright zu tun. Ich bin ja selber auch ein Gegner des Copyrights.
Der Punkt soll einfach verhindern dass unpassende, stimmungsstörende Namen verwendet werden. Oder willst du etwas mit jemanden spielen der sich "Bill Gates" nennt?
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Post by Captain Kirk »

Hallo

> Nein, Punkt 3 hat nichts mit Copyright zu tun. Ich bin ja selber auch ein Gegner des Copyrights.
:-)

> Der Punkt soll einfach verhindern dass unpassende, stimmungsstörende Namen verwendet werden. Oder willst du etwas mit jemanden spielen der sich "Bill Gates" nennt?
du hast recht den die die sich so nennen heissen ja in wirklichkeit ja ganz anders aber falls "er" mal reinschaut und sein menschen bill oder william nennt hab ich kein prob damit

solange punkt 3 nich alle fantasy namen aus büchern usw beinhaltet hab ich nichts dagegen

klar hat hier rambo oder robocop nichts zusuchen
vorallem aber denke ich das beleidibende namen,  "gnkl" und co wirklich woanders (wenn uberhaupt?) hin

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Post by Eleanor Rigby »

Naja, mit Fantasy - Namen aus Büchern hab ich so meine Probleme. Die meisten davon sind Unikate, also nicht so wie Andreas, viele Leute heissen Andreas, und da hab ich oft Probleme den Namen nicht immer mit dem Buch aus dem er entlehnt ist zu verbinden. Wenn jetzt jemand Frodo heissen würde, oder Bilbo, oder Gandalf, dann ist das irgendwie nervig und fürs Rollenspiel störend, zeugt ausserdem nicht von besonderem Einfallsreichtum. Alleine bei Tolkien finden sich soviele Fantasy - Namen, dass wirklich niemand auf die 10 arg bekannten angewiesen ist. Aber natürlich kann man nicht alle Namen kennen, und darum auch nicht verbieten. Aber gerade die wirklich bekannten aus H.d.R. sollte man nicht durchgehen lassen.
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Post by Captain Kirk »

Hallo

sie sehr bekannten namen könnte man ja auch npcs geben zb der bergwerk führer zwerg gandalf oder die echsen priesterin frodo oder so was in der art (da kann auch was spass auf kommen oder ?)

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Post by Captain Kirk »

Hallo

vielleicht sollte man mal eine liste erstellen und dann halt im board was nach bessern

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Post by Ghorkan »

Bitte keine NPCs nach bekannten Chars. benennen...
vorallem nicht nach Tolkin. Ich hasse diese Kindergeschichten und will mich nicht mit einem Gandalf, Bilbo Beutelin oder mit einem Sturm Feuerklinge, Drizzt Do'Urden, Raistlin und wie all die Typen heissen die eh jeder kennt. Da hab ich lieber wenn sich einer Hans Oelfilter nennt, wenn das dann noch n Zwerg oder Alchemist ist, kann ich mir das sogar vorstellen wieso er so heisst.

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Post by Eleanor Rigby »

Hast recht, Ghorkan. Aber Raistlin ist aus Dragonlance, nicht vom Tolkien. Und Sturm Feuerklinge ist mit grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit auch nicht von Tolkien.
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Post by Master Gohan »

Yes.....i think you are going a bit to far with the name dissing.
TIBIA SUX MAJOR ASS!
Anyway people name their children whatever the hell they want.....no matter if its makes since or not....i met a girl named Buttercream Brass!(Hippie parents)
So you can't say a name fits a style of play because all people play differently and i think it should their choice and you guys shouldn't have damn say in what they name their Avatar!It's theirs and the point of roleplaying is to make a character different from yourself so you can have different experiences that you couldn't have in the real world!
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Post by Erdrick »

Ummmm, what the heck was the diss toward tibia for?
Wrong board (again)
There should be certain-style names for certain races.
Not saying that we should program it in, but we can
try to get people to make sensible names.
Erdrick is a sensible name for a human, for example :)
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Post by Master Gohan »

You're a idiot.
Shut the hell up and let people pick whatever name they want.
You moron its a reply it cant be on another board.
It's not your call so stop being gay about it.
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Post by Captain Kirk »

Hallo

hey come down here is no reason for insult other peoples ok
freedom is a very good think but only if can handle it in the right way (if u are rational enough)

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Post by Ghorkan »

Jaja, ich weiss woher die Figuren kommen...Sturm ist auch Dragonlance und Drizzt ist Forgotten Realms...
hab schneller gedacht als geschrieben :)

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Post by Master Gohan »

As you can tell in my translation......i speak fractured german.......so i really got no idea what you just said.
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Post by martin »

master gohan, would you mind getting your speech down a bit? there is no need for flaming others in the way you did.

however, i think there have to be strict rules for names, if you look at tibia, nearly no such rules were applied. stupid names destroy the atmosphere of the game.

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Post by Quain »

I think maybe it would be best if it stated somewhere: Try to pick a name suitable to your character race

I always use Quain and am always Half-elven (if possible, or Elven if not)... I think it sounds like it might be a elf name.

Master Gohan is flaming Erdrick because he tried to steal and was cussing a lot and being generally flippant. I think we tought him not to steal at least, apparently we didn't teach him to mind his manners though...
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Post by Bror »

>I think maybe it would be best if it stated somewhere: Try to pick a name suitable to your character race

It is stated in the manual since the first version of it.
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Post by DJ TraK »

i can respect all of your opions on your fellow players name and i have been called into question MANY times on my name. who are any of you to say what i name my character is wrong. why dont you get off these peoples cases and play the game and have fun. thats what its for.
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Post by martin »

this is the direct way to tibia :(

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Post by Ghorkan »

Also die letzte Instanz sollten die GMs sein da sie die Ansichten der Erfinder wiedergeben sollen. dH. ein Spieler sollte umbenannt werden koennen, gekickt und gebannt wenn noetig.
In OldWorld hats geklappt es gab viele Streitereien ueber die Namen, doch die meisten haben das respektiert. In OW wird ein DJ Trak gekickt, bzw. 3mal verwarnt und dann gekickt wenn er den Namen nicht aendert. Die Einstellung der Spieler muss sich aendern....jeder ist willkommen aber jeder muss sich an die Regeln halten und nicht die Regeln an die Spieler.
Sowas wie ein Jail sollte es vielleicht geben. Da koennen die GMs die Spieler hinteleportieren und einsperren. Das geht natuerlich nur gut wenn die Spieler nicht unendlich viele Accounts machen koennen. (ueberpruefung der Windows-Serien Nummer oder so oder irgendeine Zahl die jeder auf m Rechner hat.) So kann man Spieler auch dauerhaft "entfernen".

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