New Weapon Pics and Ideas

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:34 am

Alright I have been bored lately so I have been drawing stuff whenever I get time. Check these out and tell me what you think of them. My scanner sucks I'm not sure if its even supposed to scan pic's

Click here for my weapons and I also have a crude but usuable version of a war mace. Tell me if you like them. (I used a level editorfor UT to make the warmace, I had nothing else) Oh and they look better on my paper than the pic

If someone has more talent to make a 3d version of mine they would look really nice.
Me site:
www.geocities.com/meep814/illarion/extras

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 10:42 am

Hey good Work, with such Cool Graphics its Easy to desing such weapons. Heres one of the Battle Axes, i could Design more but Weapons are not so importent for Illarion yet. But i have enough time to design more of your Cool Weapons.

Here a big Picture of the Waraxe

http://www.8ung.at/bilder_illarion/Kriegsaxt_gross.gif

Here the Second Waraxe (But you couldnt see the Details when its so small)

And here a big Picture of it

http://www.8ung.at/bilder_illarion/Axt_Gross3.GIF

Lulufung · Post by **Lulufung** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:13 pm

Good works Fedaykin

Geoffrey Mildwater · Post by **Geoffrey Mildwater** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:10 pm

Hey Fedaykin...

perhaps you should do some kind of postprocessing after rendering the 3D Objects ... Photoshop, Paintshop, Corel or any other of your choice. Usually its easier for your eyes to recognize the slightly accentuated edges of comic stlye objects.

Geo

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:04 pm

hey fedaykin you made those with 3D canvas right?

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:25 pm

Yes, all that where made mit 3D Canvas

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:38 pm

Not bad !
Some things that are absolutely necessary when you want to produce usable items :

When rendering, render them in the same size that will be used in the game. That means, make them fit a floor plate. Shrinking them later to a matching size, will make it look silly (Detail loss etc).
Place the items in the correct perspective ! Always look at the items that are already built in. Place your items in the SAME position and alignment the built-in items have.
Render (with Oversample/Antialias methods) the items on black or grey background(whatever matches best for the item). Or if your program can do that : Render them WITHOUT oversampling/antialiasing against a background (but do the oversampling/antialiasing, else the items may look pixel-alike).
After rendering and oversampling/antialiasing, replace the background with the pink standard color. In the most cases, you will now see a border around the items in the color of the old background. Remove this border pixel by pixel and carefully.

If you did all thise steps correctly, the item may be usable. And if it is really good, it will perhaps be built in some day.

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 8:25 pm

Geht die Anleitung bitte auch in Deutsch?

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 8:37 pm

Bitte auch an mich in Deutsch

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:13 pm

irgendwas in der Art:

Nicht schlecht!
Einige Sachen, die absolut notwendig sind, wenn man verwendbare Einzelteile produzieren möchten:
° Beim Rendern, rendert man in der gleichen Größe, die im Spiel verwendet wird. Das bedeutet, sie an die Bodenplatte anzupassen. Es später in der Größe zu schrumpfen, wäre dumm (Detailverlust usw.).
° Stellt die Bilder in die korrekte Perspektive! Betrachtet immer die Dinge, die bereits eingebaut wurden. Legent eure Sachen in die GLEICHE Position und Ausrichtung, welche die eingebauten haben.
° Übertragt Sie (mit Oversample-/Antialias-methoden) die Einzelteile auf schwarzen oder grauen Hintergrund(vergleicht was besser passt). Oder wenn es das Programm erlaubt: Übertragt sie OHNE oversampling/antialiasing gegen einen Hintergrund (aber mit oversampling/antialiasing, sonst sieht man die Pixel).
° Nach der Übertragung und oversampling/antialiasing ersetzet den Hintergrund durch die rosafarbene Standardfarbe. In den meisten Fällen sieht man jetzt einen Rand um die Einzelteile in der Farbe des alten Hintergrundes. Entfernt diese Randpixel einzeln durch Pixel und sorgfältig.

Wenn ihr alle diese Schritte richtig gemacht habt, könnte eure Graphik verwendbar sein. Und wenn sie wirklich gut ist, wird es möglicherweise eines Tages eingebaut.

Mantaro · Post by **Mantaro** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:27 pm

hihi...habs auch grade übersetzt,übrigens genau wie sir giandor,aber eines find ich lustig:

Übertragt sie OHNE oversampling/antialiasing gegen einen Hintergrund (aber mit oversampling/antialiasing, sonst sieht man die Pixel).

seht ihr den widerspruch ?

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:32 pm

Da ist kein Wiederspruch, es ist nur ungeschickt ausgedrückt. Was Damien wohl meinte, ist die Grafik mit Antialiasing zu rendern, wobei das oversampling sich jedoch auf die Figur selbst beschränkt, die Umrisse jedoch nicht weichgezeichnet werden. Somit bleiben die Konturen scharf und das manuelle Entfernen störender Pixel entfällt.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:26 pm

Exakt. ich wollte mich kurz fassen, die meisten werdens schon richtig verstanden haben

)
Leider können die meisten Programme kein Antialiasing bzw. Oversampling gegen echt transparenten Hintergrund.

Sir Giandor · Post by **Sir Giandor** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:05 am

funzt das mit Max?

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:20 am

Kringin something about your "war mace" does not have the illlarion medieval style to it. It looks a bit futuristic...the top of the face looks kind of like a disco ball, and the handle like a plastic...golf club handle. Not that I am criticizing your art work just trying to give you some suggestions for improvement. My advice: Get the medieval old touch and do away with the "shiny futuristic" style.

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:39 am

I must say Fedaykin you did a great job, I would be on those 3d-utilities if I could(old PC) The bolted parts that you see are supposed to be thick because they hold the blades, which are supposed to have a little more think ness to them, and they absorb teh shock from teh clashing of weapons.

Its nothing big Elaralith its supposed to look rusted but I really could not find a good texture. Oh and like I mentioned I used a level editor from Unreal Tournament so its not one of the best things you will see.

Would anyone like to know the names of the weapons?

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:04 pm

So here ist the Kaser Blade (or did you mean Kaiser Blade?)

And here the Big picture

http://www.8ung.at/bilder_illarion/KaserBlade_gross.gif

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 8:52 pm

If you want to do some more weapons, please consider doing more martial art type weapons, like the throwing stars.

Sais, Nunchucks, bo sticks, caltrops and the such.

Thanks.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:50 pm

@ Serpardum Good Idea i like such weapons.

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:42 am

I'll try to draw some good ones. Wish me luck

Here are the names anyways

-The weird looking thing is the Glacier
-The big scimitar is the Kaser Blade or Kaiser Blade or The Zaikar(whichever you like)
-The scythe is the Quick Doom
-The big Blade is called the Chainsaw Blade(just ignore that one)
-The big axe is the Shrieker or Screamer when you swing it it makes a loud noise

Thank you very much Fedaykin you are a TRUE 3D ARTIST

Can you recommend me a 3d program that might work on a
-467mhz,4meg video mem, 192 ram
Computer?

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:38 am

I would like throwing daggers, a sword with a curved blade (sabre sword). The thing I dont get with distance weapons is why the ammo dissapears... couldnt it be changed so that some of them break and dissapear, but some still remain on the square you are aiming at?

Edit: Used ammo would cause less damage though.

Fedaykin · Post by **Fedaykin** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:55 am

Blender should work on your system you could download ist here http://www.blender3d.org/ but i think its a bit complicated to understand

Kringin · Post by **Kringin** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:54 pm

hmm I saw this Blender3d about a year or so ago and I didnt know what to do

oh well here is something else crudee but still usable.

here http://www.geocities.com/meep814/illarion/extras/