a rant about mixed races

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:23 am

After nearly half a decade (to put it exaggeratively) of playing this game, Trollsbane needs to be ruled by GM's. Only they got the authority and power to make it work. I'm sure they can find people to play some generic "town guard" auto-created chars.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:26 am

Gro'bul wrote:After nearly half a decade (to put it exaggeratively) of playing this game, Trollsbane needs to be ruled by GM's. Only they got the authority and power to make it work. I'm sure they can find people to play some generic "town guard" auto-created chars.

I could not agree more at this point. But, I doubt it would happen.

Talirea Iomee · Post by **Talirea Iomee** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:24 am

*sighs*

Well... all this talk about how a race should be played an what is good RP...
After all that, I feel like a real bad RPer. Not because I think my RP is bad, but...

1. If I play a character, I spend hours for the the personal backround/story and how the behavior of this Char will be affected by it befor I go IG for the first time... Seems wrong, after all I read here.

2. It seems like I'm one of the less that don't get a prototyp-elfess in Lord Of The Rings. Why has an elf to be arrogent? Sure, they live for a long time... but anybody of you guys ever heard of Record Of Lodoss War? There, elves live for a very long time too... but they aren't arrogant at all... They're more a kind of insouciant or even a bit childish because the happenings of the world don't really matter if you live longer then the consequences...

I don't say, that THIS is the right way to play elvess. All I wanted to show is, that there shoudn't be a too strict line for how to RP a race...

In my opinion, expierences and memories of life affect a char more than the belonging to a race. And that's how I play mine...

Thorvald · Post by **Thorvald** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:32 am

Lrmy wrote:
Gro'bul wrote:After nearly half a decade (to put it exaggeratively) of playing this game, Trollsbane needs to be ruled by GM's. Only they got the authority and power to make it work. I'm sure they can find people to play some generic "town guard" auto-created chars.
I could not agree more at this point. But, I doubt it would happen.

How often has this been suggested and then totally declined by the playerbase?
*waits for Fooser.*

Also, I'm totally in for making all races, apart from humans, special races that have to be applied for.

Richard Cypher · Post by **Richard Cypher** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:44 am

No we do not need GMs muddling in IG things like being a King or Queen. Trollsbane is of course a mixed up town because it is the largest and it is the mixer of all races. All races are accepted and welcome there. Yes, a self appointed King or Queen would be nice, and several have tried it but they always try to get rid of them with GM help.

Also, in Silas's case he took over and the GM's shut down the traders. I mean you can not take over. I could throw together a group of people right now and this coming weekend take over Trollsbane, its not that hard.

Its just that it never lasts and people will not RP fear or loyalty to the new king or queen. They prefer to say that, no I would not be scared of a man who rallied together enough people to completely take over a whole town. I mean come on.

Then when someone does take over a town the other races who never ever care about Trollsbane say lets help get rid of the new ruler. WTF is up with that?

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:56 am

Richard Cypher wrote:I could throw together a group of people right now and this coming weekend take over Trollsbane, its not that hard.

Nah, you'd get owned without mages on your side

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:05 am

AlexRose wrote:
Richard Cypher wrote:I could throw together a group of people right now and this coming weekend take over Trollsbane, its not that hard.
Nah, you'd get owned without mages on your side

William, not to mention that there are many ways to easily kill a mage... Who said he didn't know a mage or two?

Back to the GM ruled topic. I think it would add to the atmosphere. Would make it have a true Role Play feel and the like. A player ruled Troll's Bane has never worked. At least, not for long.

Thorvald · Post by **Thorvald** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:13 am

Continue the Trolls Bane ruled by GMs discussion here please:

http://illarion.org/community/forums/vi ... 845#460845

Lacy Dracu · Post by **Lacy Dracu** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:58 am

Ich weiß wirklich nicht was solch eine Diskussion nun wieder soll. Zum einen kann man Elfen nochmals unterteilen, weil es laut vielen anderen Regelwerken auch unter Arten gibt, wie Hochelfen, Waldelfen und und und. Da gibt es einige. Aber das wäre nun wirklich zu komplex oder?
Fact ist es gibt viele unterschiedliche Arten Elfen zu spielen und Herr der Ringe ist beim besten willen nicht das Maß aller Dinge.
Das was ich hier alles lesen muss, erinnert mich mehr und mehr an zuviel Ignoranz und Engstirnigkeit!
Das was einen guten RPler ausmacht ist nicht das einhalten eines strikten Regelwerks!
Ein Char kann nicht immer Rassenspezifisch, schreckliches Wort, gespielt werden! Sein Verhalten begründet sich IMMER aus seiner Erfahrungen der Vergangenheit und seiner daraus entwickelten Persönlichkeit! Wurde er so erzogen zu sein wie er ist, gut, hat er schlimmes durchgemacht das ihn so vollkommen anders macht als seine „Artgenossen, ebenso gut.
Es geht hier , ich sag es noch mal, nicht um striktes Einhalten von Regelwerken, oder seid ihr in der Hinsicht alle Paragraphenreiter?

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I really don’t know for what such discussions should be good for… BTW, there is the possibility of split a race in different groups like high elves or forest elves. But that would be a little too complex, wouldn’t it?
It’s a fact, that there are many different ways to play an elf and Lord of the rings shouldn’t be seen as a rulebook.
What I have to read here reminds me more and more on ignorance and small-mindedness! Walking strictly the line someone draws doesn’t make you a good RPer!
A char can’t always be played strictly according to its race! The behaviour is ALWAYS according to its past and experiences and the resulting personality! How was a char educated? Were there terrible happenings in its past? That are point which can make a char behave himself absolutely untypical for its race.
I want to mention again that I was in opinion; this game is not about playing along strict lines and rules, without creativity. Or am I wrong in this point?

maryday · Post by **maryday** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:00 am

*gives Todd a VERY HARD hit to the head from behind with a lute, so he might FORGET some of his >common language<*

:roll: ((elves do have a trader, who can`t ..errrr..WON`T....?"))

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*Gibt Todd einen SEHR HARTEN Schlag auf den Kopf von hinten, mit einer Laute, auf dass Er etwas von seiner >Gemeinsprache< vergisst.*

Post by **Jupiter** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:30 pm

Lacy Dracu wrote:Zum einen kann man Elfen nochmals unterteilen, weil es laut vielen anderen Regelwerken auch unter Arten gibt, wie Hochelfen, Waldelfen und und und

Mir ist kein Werk bekannt, das dies aussagt und was mit Illarion zutun hat.

Lacy Dracu wrote:Herr der Ringe ist beim besten willen nicht das Maß aller Dinge.

Stimmt, das was die GMs uns vorschreiben ist das Maß aller Dinge.

Zu der Aussage, dass ein Elf durch seine Erfahrungen durchaus andere Züge bekommen kann.
Nun, ich kenne einige Char die hatten ein "normales" Elfenleben und wurden dennoch menschlich.

Und es kann vielleicht 1-2 Elfen von 10 geben die aus der Reihe tanzen, aber doch bitte nicht 5.

Magdha Tiefenerz · Post by **Magdha Tiefenerz** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:06 pm

[sarkasmus]
Nun, Illarion leidet nun wirklich an Überbevölkerung und hat tausende von Spielern. Da sind natürlich weitere Restriktionen unbedingt notwendig.
[/sarkasmus]
Außerdem stelle ich mal hier die These vor, daß alle Rassen aus der menschlichen Rasse heraus entwickelt wurden. Alles was man getan hat, war, daß man gewisse Merkmale und Eigenschaften hervorgestellt hat. Man kann somit behaupten, daß alle Rassen menschlich sind. Nur mal so als Anregung.

Isilwen · Post by **Isilwen** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:11 pm

Lacy Dracu wrote:

A char can’t always be played strictly according to its race! The behaviour is ALWAYS according to its past and experiences and the resulting personality! How was a char educated? Were there terrible happenings in its past? That are point which can make a char behave himself absolutely untypical for its race.
I want to mention again that I was in opinion; this game is not about playing along strict lines and rules, without creativity. Or am I wrong in this point?

You have a good point, but the concern here is that there are far more atypical characters than typical ones, so the line is all but nonexistent. If no one meets that middle standard line for comparison, then the line shifts and makes a new standard for a race, which is usually not as the race was thought for Illarion.

As for people mentioning too many humans in Vanima, that may change soon

Executor · Post by **Executor** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:49 pm

Richard Cypher wrote:I read pretty much none of what was written here but Korm's post and the next two or so. My opinion for how an elf should be played matches with his. Elves should be more arrogant and less trusting of the "lesser races". Elves are very secretive of their ways of life, and do not like the other races meddling in their ways of life or coming to their homeland.

Wow, you actually meet ANYONE on Vanima? Every time I go there it is deserted, mainly because there are few elven players. That is also the problem about playing an elf being arrogant and hardly wanting to speak with the other races... because of the small ammount of elves you would be bored to tears. It would help if something pulled chars to Vanima though (thanks to Noradur for making a quest there:D) However I have no idea of what that would be.

Executor · Post by **Executor** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:06 pm

Lacy Dracu wrote: A char can’t always be played strictly according to its race! The behaviour is ALWAYS according to its past and experiences and the resulting personality! How was a char educated? Were there terrible happenings in its past? That are point which can make a char behave himself absolutely untypical for its race.
I want to mention again that I was in opinion; this game is not about playing along strict lines and rules, without creativity. Or am I wrong in this point?

But the point is that the different races react to things in different ways. An elf would react very differently to, as you say, a terrible thing in his past then f.eks an orc. The orc would probably become even more violent, while the elf would maybe get even more reserved. An elf and an orc with a similar past would not behave any more the same than the average elf and orc. If you make an elf with a past that makes him behave like a human, then why not make a human?

Suggestion: Make players have to apply to get an elven char, and write some more guidlines on how an Illa elf should be played.

Talaena Landessi · Post by **Talaena Landessi** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:07 am

I also agree that any race besides human should require application for (such as goblins/fairies/gnomes) along with more lore on them (to make it harder to turn them into the personality of x-race with the attributes and graphic of y-race)

BUT you should also consider the fact that everyone is comming to the island of gobiath for one reason or another.