Item multiplication / Gegenstandsvervielfältigung

[Estralis Seborian]

Dear players,
the Illarion staff is well aware that there is a method to duplicate items. It came to our attention that some players have used this method by intend. Please note that is considered bug abusing and will be dealt with accordingly. Abusing technical weaknesses in this way can result in harsh punishments.

In principle, it is possible to track every action with items. But do not make our developers and GMs have to spend any time for policing and spying on your actions, time in which they could fix bugs, implement new features or realize interesting events and quests.

In case you mulitply items by accident, for the sake of fairness, contact a GM to get rid of the items. You can also throw them away and leave a short notification with the !gm-command.

PS: Keep in mind that discussing about this method will reveal the method and that’s frowned upon. If you refer to the method, use terms like “you know how” or “the method”, only.

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Liebe Mitspieler,
der Illarion-Staff ist sich wohl bewusst, dass es eine Methode gibt, um Gegenstände zu vervielfältigen. Es ist nicht unbemerkt geblieben, dass einige Spieler diese Methode absichtlich verwendet haben. Seid euch bitte bewusst, dass dies als Käfermissbrauch, sprich Bug-abusing, angesehen wird und dementsprechend verfahren wird. Eine Ausnutzung solcher technischen Schwächen des Spiels kann sehr harte Strafen nach sich ziehen.

Es ist möglich, jede Aktion mit Gegenständen nachzuvollziehen. Aber es wäre ein Verschwendung an Arbeitskraft unserer Entwickler und GMs, die an Stelle von neuen Features, Bugbehebung, Events oder Quests sich damit rumplagen müssten, euch hinterher zu spionieren.

Für den Fall, dass ihr Gegenstände unwillentlich verfielfältigt habt, wendet euch der Fairness halber an einen GM, um die Gegenstände löschen zu lassen. Alternativ könnt ihr die Gegenstände auch wegwerfen und eine kurze Nachricht über das !gm-Kommando absenden.

PS: Bitte beachtet, dass das Diskutieren über diese Methode die Art und Weise verraten könnte, wie es gemacht wird, und das ist äußerst unerwünscht. Wenn schon über die Methode gesprochen werden muss, verwendet Ausdrücke wie „Du weiß schon, wie“ oder „Die Methode“.

[Miklorius]

Is there a way to make a database query which automatically creates reports everytime this bug is abused for item duplications?

The IG (economic) balance - if there is one - will get hit hard, if everybody will start duplication money or the best equipment.

[Estralis Seborian]

As I said, there are ways to detect "the method". But I would ask all players not to use the bug so no developer has to spend a further minute with this.

In other games, situations like this resulted in a complete itemwipe for all characters. Just to let you know how other staffs handle this...

[martin]

I remember a game where this lead to drastic results.
*Waves at Alatar*

Martin

[Estralis Seborian]

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=3 ... #msg345181

As it seems, Illarion is currently not alone with this. The counterfeiter mafia is on prowl!

[Algavo]

Naja, mal ganz ehrlich...
"die Methode" kann man ausnutzen--schön und gut.
Aber viele Leute haben damit vielleicht auch mal nicht
ihren Besitz verdoppelt, sondern mit "Null" multipliziert
(jeder n00b weiß was bei X mal 0 rauskommt)

Es ist wirklich dämlich, dass solche Leute keine Gegen-
stände zurückerhalten, aber, dass Leute die es andersrum
nutzen etwas "Böses" machen...

Frechheit...ich sprech hier aus Erfahrung...pff...

[Djironnyma]

wenn man es verliert geschieht das wegen einem bug,


gewinnen kann man dabei eigentlich nur aus mutwillen


das eine geschieht als technisches problem, das andere aus mutwilligkeit, das ist der große unterschied

[abcfantasy]

I just want to ask, is it possible to make the server save all database changes after every 30mins or 1 hour?

[Nitram]

There is a very really dirty method...

[Jupiter]

There is a very really dirty method...

How dirty exactly?

[Nitram]

Even more dirty.

I think about combination of abuses of 3 different difficult system that were made for something completly different and the effect we want is only a sligthly side effect...

[Alatar]

I remember a game where this lead to drastic results.
*Waves at Alatar*

Martin

*lol*

Indeed - don't get me do to this again

[Cliu Beothach]

We demand a char wipe!

[Nitram]

k

....

I wipe your chars later Cliu.

[Lance Thunnigan]

<_<
>_>

Oooh, send the glitch to z0mg@lul.com kay pl0x?
pleez?
i r not nub i now how 2 rp.

member itz z0mg@lul.com!!!!!!!!
sen pl0x kbai

[ogerawa]

Probably some of the devs have thought about this other dirty method, but can't hurt to post it.

Make another variable for every items, for the owner's ID. When the owner switch from 1 char to another, save both chars' data. But ignores when the ID is nil as in from monster drops. So it would save for every trade that happens.

Not sure how bad it would be for the server when there is a big trade (lots of non-stackable items). Or whether it's possible or not.

[Retlak]

I beleive there is a new script in the game already that will solve the problem very well now.

[Richard Cypher]

No you can not change this method how else will I make more copies od my 7,000 shadowplates?!?! Anyways...I want to point out that sometimes it happens to newer players and they do not even realize it has happened and should not be penalized for it. I know how "THE METHOD" works but have never abused it...yet.

I still think that people should be made fully aware of how it works so everyone is equally accountable if it happens. I do not think people will try to abuse it but will be more aware of how to prevent it or how to fix it if it happens.

Edit: They will also get in trouble when caught!

[AlexRose]

I think THE METHOD is pretty obvious; I've known about it for years (not to say I've used it) but anyway now there are server saves every 10 minutes (or so I am told) so it seems unlikely that such things could happen by accident or purpose now.

[Llama]

Maybe there is a NEW method Alex my friend...

[maryday]

EDIT;size/colourThis is the tale of a town called..Varshikar..surrounded by harsh mountains, and a place called desert.
Deep in the valleys are many things hidden.
Evil things.
Things that should not have been..

If you want the truth..

I.Delete (EDIT; the content of)my Varshikar depot.
There is one bag called -presents-.
Inside are four bags, each called -furs-
Each contains each two antidodes, and two big healing potions, a rope, a wolven pelt and an oil lamp.
I worked hard for all this stuff, and bought it from NPCS..not the potions, partially, and the furs..but i should not have this stuff anymore..if you can imagine the use of -presents-.
(EDIT;Otherwise i might dispose them also by myself.)

II. In my Greenbriar depot are about 109 especial roots, i think.
It should be 9.

III.I will not stop to use the PIA(EDIT;Dandelion-magic-fairy-)thing, if not one might point me up at least one good reason.

IV.I fear i broke my char by loading a certain amount of tree saplings upon my cow.
I will investigate further, and maybe bring this case back to attention.

Thank you, for your efforts.
No reason to be not true.

[Gwendolin Cad'ell]

maryday, I love your posts, I really do. Sometimes I just click on the search functions and enter your name to get a list of your posts. Because they confuse me in a very pleasant way. (I mean this!)

But... would you mind in this case not to speak in riddles or stories but try to say it in clear.. facts? *ggg*

[Nitram]

I love your posts too maryday! I allways hardly can stop me of removing all your posts by abusing my database access!!
Anyway...

I put in that very very very very dirty method to store characters. It runs since yesterday evening and depending on the playerload on the server it should store your character every 5 Minutes ( around )

The storage is asyncron. So the characters are stored one after one and the server still runs in the time between.

I hope it works

Nitram

[Halvdan]

Für den Fall, dass ihr Gegenstände unwillentlich verfielfältigt habt, wendet euch der Fairness halber an einen GM, um die Gegenstände löschen zu lassen. Alternativ könnt ihr die Gegenstände auch wegwerfen und eine kurze Nachricht über das !gm-Kommando absenden.

Hab ich auch mal gehabt, 11 Hopfenwurzeln aus der Truhe genommen und schon hatte ich 110 in der Hand, seit dem versuche ich krampfhaft den Mist loszuwerden, da aber Winter ist wird dies schwierig.

Ich hatte bereits mal vor längerer Zeit eine PM an Estralis geschickt, der auf die schnelle nix reproduzieren konnte, mir aber dennoch glaubte. Mittlerweile ist der Bug wohl behoben trotzdem steh ich noch immer auf hunderten Hopfenwurzeln, die ich nur ungern wegschmeissen will.Sorry, GM's aber das kann ich nicht machen .....


Ich glaub ich weiß was mit dem Vervielfältigen von Items gemeint ist, hat es was mit Speichern zu tun ......?

[Cliu Beothach]

maryday, I love your posts, I really do. Sometimes I just click on the search functions and enter your name to get a list of your posts. Because they confuse me in a very pleasant way. (I mean this!)

But... would you mind in this case not to speak in riddles or stories but try to say it in clear.. facts? *ggg*

Maryday is an obscurantist like me, her words are completely clear JUST as they are.