Bending the rules

[Lord Dark Sunrise]

As Much as I hate twe now, I still going to write this….

It seem that a lot of the wiser and older players are unfairly forcing there ideas of good on others. It seem that twe is at war with sean, and I thing that’s feir. But watching older player pulling people like tew to one side to tell him his not being nice and is not proper role-playing. If he hasn’t and not going to break the rule, its not a fair thing to do. Stop pushing your side of plying on to othere cus they play a different side.

Aslo…..

When I come along a lord dark sunrise and you don’t like what I have to say, don’t occ me. I’m an evil role-player and will say thing that you don’t want to hear. But it seems people are quick to switch to Occ in town, with no whispers. To tell me what they think of me. I manage to keep in character, Can you?

And….

Just because someone has a low number, doesn’t mean they don’t know the rule. Many old player have made new players and the older ones come along and try and give them their version of the rule. I’ve had a lot of this, cus I’ve been using the suggested Evil role-playing tips and people have a problem with this….  The ones that doesn’t do this, are they that know me

[Insanity]

heheh , i have been accused falsely for rule breaking too , not that i would mind..as long as the accuser isnt a Gm , everything should be fine.
i know how easily you will be tagged as "rule breaker" just because you are "evil" or insane..
the funniest part is that even some old players accuse you for rule-breaking just because you casted in town , that isnt a "god made" rule isnt it? its PLAYER MADE , so i have every rigth to break it , if it suits to my roleplaying.. my char is somewhat intelligent , insane , bandit and artistic creature , who likes to make beautiful fields , and has died many times for that..

the funniest this EVER happened to me was , when my char was "young" he wasnt insane at the time , and he and hes friend , were trying to rob a person (like 500 nubers older than us)
saying something like: "hands up! this is a robbery , hand over your gold!" , but we "made a mistake" tought the other player , ce called us f*****s or something like that , logged out , and logged in with a older char of hes and started to cast spells on us , wellllll.... he died :biggrin: we healed him , he started to accuse us rulebreakers , cuss on us , and finally tried to kill us with spells , again , and he died , then he walked on the cross , came back and the same thing happened again.. he cussed , attacked , died..
the we tougth that it would be best to leave the place , to ensure that the moron wouldnt have t die again..
but the funny thing about that was the fact that (i think) we did nothing wrong , he was the one breaking the rules..

i hope you all learned your lesson now , kids , and grown ups...

[Dyluck]

About the casting in town rule: If you repeatedly cast spells in the town where most players gather, it causes spamming for them if they try to have a converstation etc.

[Insanity]

yes , but  so does "log info"
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "
"the evil guy has left illarion "
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "
"the evil guy has left illarion "
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "
"the evil guy has left illarion "
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "
"the evil guy has left illarion "
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "
"the evil guy has left illarion "
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "
"the evil guy has left illarion "
"the evil guy has arrived in illarion "

that happends often enough in short time , you wont be able to conversate either.
and when "i" casted on town , it was a long long time ago , there werent too many people to hear it..
i havent played too much at all..
but i have noticed that the "log spam" happends more often and often "nowdays"...

and its all up to the way you ask/tell me not to cast in town ,im less co-operative when somebody comes and tells me , "Hay you break the rules!
no casting in the town , you will get banned! ill kill you now!Die!"

that isnt a very polite way to ask somebody to do something , is it?

[Dyluck]

Yes the login spam is annoying too, so at least try not to spam people with spells.

Yes that's not a good way to tell someone, especialliy when the ooc is mixed into it. But if you know it causes spaming then just don't do it.

[Insanity]

i will if "i" feel creative...

[Lord Dark Sunrise]

YOu seem to have missed the point, is not about rule som much. Its about people pushing there style of role-playing on you and saying your role-playing wrong. All the people i have directly role-played with in an evie way , love it. That's people that i've role played with for more than 5 minuets. Every player in this game loves to prove there worth. The way i play give people a chance to do that without fighting (most of the time). I'm tring so hard and sticking to the rules. And as dyluck has said, "it not ease to play evil". All i ask is that people don't push there style of role-playing on me just cus i play evil

[Dyluck]

You don't need to spam disturbing other people's roleplay to be creative.

[Insanity]

and who is pushing hes type of roleplay to me? :biggrin:

[Silent Brodi]

Sean-san has recently declared war on me because of out of character behaveour!
What Sean-san thinks role playing is:
1)Telling people off for not roleplaying
2)Everyone must act the same and be the same
3)No-one can kill another character except from me
4)Anyone who goes out of line once by mistake must be killed and hunted over and over again
Wow, looking at it like that roleplaying sounds GREAT doesn't it...
The way i see it, if you always stay within the rules then you are not roleplaying. You cant be evil, chaotic or anything if you stick to the rules all the time.

[sean]

Bob stop lieing
bobs idea of roleplaying:
calling OOC name slike dan and matt
killing and breaking rules
talking OOC and acting OOC
ect ect ect
my idea of roleplaying
yes i do slip once in a while but it gets hard to put (OOC) after each phrase when i have to do it so often and it takes up the time while i am getting hurt by you and your goons
but i do it most of the time. no one should be killed anyways if you did not notice the first day i met you, YOU Were burning down the bar talking OOC and powergaming after ten warnings form me and sirius who  is MUCH elder then i. you persisted and then your pals casted on me and attacked me in between yourselve. after i got bored of fighting a bunch of newbie cowards i declred war on you, it could have ended two days ago but NOOOO you had to kill me during a peace talk dint you
Quote from bob. relayed by fawke to me:
"we're out numberd lets kill them all"
seconds later i was attacked and Fawke killed both of you.
the next day you pushed astral off of the roof during a peace talk, i was right below
quote from yesterday:
"i dont belive in war"
"we do"
slashing ensued beofre i got to the top you both were dead again and i found out who said all of the above quotes.
more quotes from twe:
"no one cares about rules"
" i read the faq on illarion.de and it says ress killing and casting in town are allowed"

[Insanity]

you cannot be evil if you stick into public opinion , thats a diffrent story.
dyluck , i have my opinion , so do you , i respect your opinion , and your rigth to have one , but as long as im not breaking the rules of illarion , i have rigth to do "whatever" i want , and you are in no position to tell me that i cannot cast in town.

the people of illarion doesnt really support anykind of Chaoticy , evil or such..
and there are some "good" bullies like sean , who'll threaten to kill every not-so-good person in illarion , if they do that just because someone has got different agenda than he is got , are they any better than so called "evil" people?

[Ghandi]

This is one of The very few cases I agree with Sean...Bob you attacked me and Drathe for no reason in the Tavern drinking...That isnt role playing.

[Dyluck]

I'm not saying you CAN'T cast in town, only that you should do it with consideration for other people if you actually care for roleplay, and that you don't be surprised when a GM punishes you for spamming.


(Edited by Dyluck at 2:41 pm on Jan. 25, 2002)

[sean]

he attacked both of you?
dont worry he will be to weak to walk when i am done with him!

[Insanity]

if i cast too many times in town i can get punished for spamming?
thats new one.
i can take being killed , asked to stop politely IF disturb somebody...but being punished by GM for something that is a player made rule isnt fair i think.
its kindda like asking a gm punish somebody cause he went into the woods , and its bothering somebody..

i just read the rules page , and it says "writing senseless sentances like #¤@£@@@ is forbidden" , but is the "magic noise" counted as "senseless sentance"?

[dragonsoul]

lmao haha silent bob awesome name!!!!!! ive seen the show b4

[sean]

do not luagh at him. he is a joke and not worthy of his name.

[Silent Brodi]

Yeah, silent bob kicks some serious butt. Speaking about the actual guy. And also if I'm a joke, then people should laugh at me and laugh hard. DO it, DO IT!
Damn right

[Dyluck]

Yes Insanity, that was my whole point. Some GMs may punish you for repeatedly casting in town because it in fact DOES causes spamming. Senseless sentences is a form of spamming but not the only kind. Imagine someone comes up to you and says "Hi" 100 times.

[Caranthir the great]

hmmm...i dont like casting in own

(Edited by Caranthir the great at 2:10 am on Jan. 26, 2002)

[Astral]

@Sunrise:

The part of the incident that i saw with twe was alot more than him being evil.  His group was REPEATEDLY killing sean.  They had chased sean around for a while, and me and roke were trying to get everyone to stop.  Roke killed a few people, but when he did, he did it ONCE.  I was trying to get them to explain this, but they refused to tell me their names and they ran away.  We were on the roof, and twe started to cooperate and told the story, but part way in Bob or the other dwarf pushed me off the roof.  They came with me to Damien and told him that i was killing them and trying to kill them again when in fact i had not killed anyone, and i had not even touched them.  It ended up that Lantharan Caine had a little chat with bob there.

[Dimitri]

 ok - first i just want to say how much a lier Sean-san is - we didn't push Astral off the roof last night, it was your friends, who then killed us, and i'm sure you've told everyone that we keep on attacking you, well the other night i was killed by Roke, just because he THOUGHT that i was attacking sean( from quite far away, with my sword - if that is possible), and you've also told people like Mr Goroth that you will kill him everyday you see him, now does that sound like a real pk!!, well why don't you tell them about the time when we were new, and you killed us every chance you got, but we couldn't fight back, because we were unskilled, but now, we are strong, and we don't take harsh comments or threats very easily.
 I'm sure everyone has realised that you really suck at role play - you think it is some type of war game, well there are many people out there who are against you, Haror Miller, Galadria, Quain etc, and i'm sure everyone, including Bror, are beginning to realise that you really suck, and a lot of people want you banned, so we can get back to our 'happy role play' - and seriously, stop lying cos it stinks, a bit like you
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Dimitri

[Insanity]

fine..i dont (mwhaha , who knows?) want to end up on prison isle or banned , "i"'ll try to avoid casting in town...

but i still think that its cheap to punish for that , if they punish for it , make new texbox for messages like that , or completely forbid casting in town..

and btw its totally the  same do i cast fields , or does some other guy heal/do foodspells..

[Damien]

Well, noone would train the food or healing spell excessively. A normal use of those will bring up perhaps two to three spells in five to ten minutes, especially when someone is "hurt badly" - means a cloud - and must be revived.
In fact, the town should be a little "save" too. The rule about not casting helps in that. Most people would attack with a spell first, especially when they are new and unexperienced. They would perhaps even "burn" down the shop because it looks funny. Or surround the npcs with fields so that noone can reach them... these things can all become very annoying.
With this "rule" active, which is player made, these happenings can be reduced to a minimum. The GMs are helping out with that rule sometimes, because it does make a lot of sense.
A town caster will be warned, and in the worst case, killed. If he starts to behave really badly, then he will punished for that, not for the casting itself.

(Edited by Damien at 12:59 am on Jan. 26, 2002)

[Insanity]

i still think that cause its player made rule , only the players should ensure that no-one casts in town , i dont mean that GMs couldnt do that , but i think they should do it as "normal" players , like no gm punishments example skill lowering , stat lowering , only what the normal player could do , like tell not to , warn , kill ect.

and btw , i havent casted a single field in the town for past...uhh.. two moths

[Damien]

I said before, the WORST thing that may happen by the hand of a GM for town casting, is to get killed after a warning.
ONLY if that person behaves bad too, other measurements are taken, but not because of the casting. Gee, do i have to explain that again and again...

[Insanity]

i deeply apologize for the trouble that i've caused for you because of this matter , and i apologize my stupidity, i would bow to you but this isnt rigth board for that , so some another time then aye?

[Damien]

hehehehe... SOMEWHERE i know you from...

Meow ?

[Insanity]

meow?

im not saying yes or no do i know you or not , i admit that i have "different lifes"
but im not revealing them , ofcourse if you demand to know it as GM , but do i have a choise then?