Prayers

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:49 pm

I am aware that praying is going to be implemented and thus my suggestion is not about implementing it, but how to implement it.

Praying should be availiable to everyone, not just priests, everyone can pray. Secondly there should be different types of priest abilities, here I am thinking of prayers and rites.

Prayers could be a simple touch of a button to raise a skill or an attribute for a short amount of time. Such as a slight increase in strength or good fortune, protection, you know how it goes.

Rites however, may only be done by priests or holymen, theese could involve objects, places combinations of prayers, multiple priests, recitings from books, fire, water, sacrifices etc to create a huge spell as it were. Summoning an Avatar, or other such miracles, weather perhaps, buy remember theese would require different amounts of pysical and spiritual power so many people may be needed to raise a demon (evil cults?) so this task would need the co-operation of many people and lots of skill and time to perform.

Prayers could require beleif that would be gained through praying or other spiritual activities. All prayers should be known from the start just not succeed at all, very little untill someone's belief has gone up, (you dont learn other prayers as you become holyer)

Rites however could require huge amounts of belief and rites would have to be learnt, much like the magic system.

This would bring an oppertunity for allignments to come into play, actions determin alignment?, and also make other classes and things to do.

Constructive comments only please,

Guingalan,

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 6:38 pm

it all sounds so much like Runescape, but you have some really good ideas. I want to raise a daemon!

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:38 pm

Like runescape? I was actually basing it on real life, christianity for the basic prayers and wicca for the rites.

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:03 pm

real life????????????????? In real life, have you ever gotten a lot stronger because you prayed or have you every summoned a daemon?! No, i see your point

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:11 pm

Another one of those Realism things and not reality Paul... You cannot become extremely strong or summon something just by praying, as far as I know but in a game based on another world it could be possible...

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 11:27 pm

i know, i thought i indicated i realized that in my second sentence

No, i see your point

but maybe you skipped past that

Boremier · Post by **Boremier** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:02 am

I like the sound of your ideas guingalan

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:54 am

I do not like the way you associate wicca with summoning demons. I know it may be unintentional, but changing the phrasing may be appropriate.
Other than that, your suggestions are interesting, and will probably give the Makers something to mull over.[/quote]

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:39 am

I didn't think about that. Associating Wicca with daemon worshipping may not be a good idea nor "politically correct"

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Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 7:41 pm

It's not only politically incorrect, it's also highly insulting to Wiccans..

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 7:47 pm

Look, dont pick at something like that, I dont know whether wiccans summon demons or travel to mars in hypersonic fairy liquid bubbles. They just gave me the idea.

Guingalan

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 8:48 pm

Paul said:

have you ever gotten a lot stronger because you prayed

What about that place called Lourdes. People have been able to walk again after bathing in the water there, it isnt praying, but its the faith. Therefore Faith as an attribute could be implimented for determining how good a priest is at his prayers.
Paul said:

have you every summoned a daemon

What about Ouiga boards? People summon spirits into small glasses so they can communicate with them, have you not watched a decent horror film!?

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 8:49 pm

Paul said:

have you ever gotten a lot stronger because you prayed

What about that place called Lourdes. People have been able to walk again after bathing in the water there, it isnt praying, but its the faith. Therefore Faith as an attribute could be implimented for determining how good a priest is at his prayers.
Paul said:

have you every summoned a daemon

What about Ouiga boards? People summon spirits into small glasses so they can communicate with them, have you not watched a decent horror film!?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:09 pm

All that stuff is like, bogus.

Hermie · Post by **Hermie** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:12 pm

Oh ya, totally bogus, like, surfer, dude! But have you ever tried it, and you dont know what happens in Lourdes, i KNOW you have never been there or you wouldnt say it was 'bogus'... (sorry for the double post)

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 12:59 am

I don't know whether Lourdes itself has any magick healing powers, but it is rather the visitors expectation to be healed and thus a positive attitude that heals the person...

Elaralith · Post by **Elaralith** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:50 am

I agree. Priests should be the only ones able to pray and receive bonuses from it. Common people of course should be able to pray, but as they are not priests I do not think they should receive anything for it.
Because if everyone was able to pray and receive bonuses for praying then everyone would be a priest, and then what would be the point of choosing "priest" as your class?
-Elaralith

Niniane · Post by **Niniane** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:58 am

A priest should be the intermediary between the common people and the gods so I don't think that a priest should get the bonuses you speak of for their prayers but rather they would gain a certain amount of 'blessing' power which they could use to heal an injured soul or person. Praying should not make you stronger for any lenghth of time. It could possibly give you some reward by increasing your health slowly or making you a blessed person which could possibly give you better prices in the shop or allow you to receive more money from a monster that you kill (which I wouldn't recommend) but possibly have a higher rate of finding rare items. That is if every day people could pray and gain something for it. The praying done by priests should be done by them only and to be used on another person.

Caranthir the great · Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:49 am

But firstly being a priest should be 'calling', not some lousy attempt to get better prices or something. The less-advangeous being a priest is, the better our priests know what they are doing.

Faramier · Post by **Faramier** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:25 pm

Elaralith wrote: If everyone was able to pray and receive bonuses for praying then everyone would be a priest, and then what would be the point of choosing "priest" as your class?
-Elaralith

Because priests are able to perform much more powerful and potent prayers called rites.

And also what kind of god would there be if you had to be a special class to pray to them? Obviously the prayers may not be granted and this could tie in to the higher faith/belief (whatever its called now) giving you a greater chance of success, the gods are going to grant thier stong believers prayers more than the non-believers.

A priest should be the intermediary between the common people and the gods so I don't think that a priest should get the bonuses you speak of for their prayers but rather they would gain a certain amount of 'blessing' power which they could use to heal an injured soul or person.

Perhaps, but dont forget that in certain cults such as satanism the main focus is on personal gain rather than that of helping others. And even in christianity people pray for themselves.

Also when Hermie mentioned the Ouiga boards it gave me the idea of the fact that in wicca there is a chance that the spell/prayer may backfire and when it does it comes back thrice as strong on the caster. Perhaps this could be implemented to stop people performing curses or rites beyond their power.

On another note Lourdes is an interesting one, as I see it there have been many scientific explainations for it. The pseobo effect (or however its spelt) is one which ties nicely into faith, also things in the water could stimulate nerve cells/ repair them and all sorts so nothing in this world can be considered 'bogus' anymore.

Whatever the explaination having myself tried some of the spells and rites linked with wicca I can say that whether it is a psycological thing or real the results can be quite astonishing.

Guingalan,

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:30 pm

Guingalan wrote:
Also when Hermie mentioned the Ouiga boards it gave me the idea of the fact that in wicca there is a chance that the spell/prayer may backfire and when it does it comes back thrice as strong on the caster. Perhaps this could be implemented to stop people performing curses or rites beyond their power.
Guingalan,

You have tried some rites? Interesting, I hope the threefold rule didn't come back and bite you in the butt!

P'raps in the future when priesthood is chosen, the Gods could select those whom deserve the calling?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:46 pm

Wicca is basically witchcraft, you know.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:51 pm

So, Paul...you are one of those people who think that people whom practice wiccan or witchcraft (both different, pally) go to hell are you?

Oh well...

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:05 pm

No, but i heard or read or something that wicca is similar to witchcraft.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:06 pm

Then perhaps you should research more...then make a judgement, eh?

paul laffing · Post by **paul laffing** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:13 pm

Then tell me what Wiccism is rather than critisizing me for not knowing!

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:16 pm

Wiccan (not Wiccism) cannot be explained in a few sentences, it is a religion and requires months of research. It's not just some hokey pokey, I think I'll do spells thingy.
The basic principle is

"An' harm ye none"

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