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Julius wrote:P.S - I have haven't really trained Julius in a week. RP is so much funner then sitting in the crypt or graveyard for an hour.
What the fuk is your point anyway? for someone who tells half the community what bad rp'ers they are you really are hypocritical. It is obvious from reading this thread that you are a massive powergamer.To the anti-powergaming idiots that will likely think about posting some rubbish about how Illarion is not about items and skills, please ST(Smile)U... I know what Illarion is about.
My goal is not to convince anyone that killing thousands of skeletons is a good way to make money. This conversation is not about how to make money as much as it is about enabling people to make warrior characters if they wish and not have to be a crafter. Not everyone wants to be a knight or a guard. Crafting takes a long time to gain skill in and if everyone as a crafter then no crafters would make money. So I suggest you think about things on a deeper level and try and read between the lines.Kundra wrote:What the fuk is your point anyway? for someone who tells half the community what bad rp'ers they are you really are hypocritical. It is obvious from reading this thread that you are a massive powergamer.To the anti-powergaming idiots that will likely think about posting some rubbish about how Illarion is not about items and skills, please ST(Smile)U... I know what Illarion is about.
if you convince me that mindlessly going around killing thousands of skellies just to get some cash in a roleplaying environment(doesn't matter if no-one was there) is good rp then i'll eat my hat, a warrior would get exhuasted and head back home, and probably think to himself "perhaps there'd be a better way to make money?, like join the guard, or a knighthood..they pay well." or "why the hell am i fighting skelletons in hope of money?" , just because your character is a warrior or whatever doesnt mean you have to fight creatures for your money, if anything you should be fighting these monsters to better your swordplay or some crap like that. Why not get someone to introduce bloody Gladiators to fight infront of the commoners for entertainment, perhaps a GM could front it and pay the Gladiators or summit? But My point is that this thread is ridiculous you are basically asking the GM's to make the game easier for you, where as lots of other PO warrior's had to climb there way to the top from the gutter, it's no easy road for anyone, but it is one that 90% of the community choose....NO WONDER THEY MAKE IT DIFFICULT! EVERYONE IS A BLOODY WARRIOR THESE DAYS!
First off, most observations refer to skeletons and their dropped copper. This was lowered, indeed. For other monsters, the drop value was raised. As I stated, skeletons are weak monsters, compete with something that poses a threat to earn more. If one cannot find something between skeletons and demon skeletons, which is a "jump" of 4 (of 8!) levels in mister sunshine's threat staging, that's due to the lack of spawns. I recall that monsters like flying skulls or beholders ABC... The only large clans that can afford to pay one a decent amount for a job involving fighting are cities. Not all characters want/can be a part of a big city. You know why making an "evil" clan is so hard and why it isn't done anymore(on a larger level)? It is because there are so many "good" characters that play, "Lets kill the bandit and jail him every time we see him/her or see he's online"!abcfantasy wrote:I'm not against the poor drops of skeletons.
Yes, it is harder for warriors to earn money.
But:
1. Before it was way too easy to earn big amounts of money.
And mostly:
2. Warriors could stop from using excellent salk armors and expensive armor as day to day use. Instead they could make use of armor which skeletons drop, or buy cheaper armor. Shields and swords as well.
EDIT: Another thing. I think it really should be difficult for 'independent' warriors to earn some money. This encourages people to join the guards or some clan, and make it harder for those who just are self-sufficient, which is the way it goes, IMO.
Almost. Do remember that it is not just skeletons that have poor drops, it is all monsters currently.Is that the problem in a nutshell?
A warrior could maybe earn a bit money as a merchant.. And to be honest: I don't like the idea of getting money for killing monsters at all.
Fighters need food and potions as well, which aren't cheap. Uhm...killing mummies? They drop entrails... Fighters have little use for them and they are only worth about 2 coppers a piece...if you can find a tailor that doesn't want to kill pigs.And what i've seen so far, a fighter only needs to buy weapons and armor -they get the rest for killing mummys.
After the lich quest involving Vartaroth, my character was left in a far off dungeon somwhere... not a clue where it was, but it had a ladder going up and another going down. Down was at least 1 lesser demon spawn (I think it was a spawn) and above was a spawn of 10 demon skeleton, some with swords, some with warhammers (way too strong) and some necromancers. If you could get there (you might be able to, but if it was made more accesible and there were less demon skeletons) it would be a very good place to go to with a few characters, especially if more different types of monsters were placed there.-Spawn all kinds of monsters somewhere. A demon as boss in a deep dungeon would be cool
no better trained do not get more.Q-wert wrote:Well, i just made 15 minutes training in the woods with my new char.
(used 2 poisoned daggers and selfmade leather armor and my char isn´t really good in fighting)
-32 copper
-not good/not bad quality gold ring
-hunting armor
- 7 arrows
I guess better trained and equipped fighters get more, and in my opinion even that what my char got is too much.
I have to agree about dropped items. Gnolls are very fast creatures, and decently strong. Yet there drops are pathetic. You get better from skeletons which would clearly lose in a fight against a Gnoll. Then ogres, which are strong monsters, drop decent enough things but for monsters of their strength their should be better things. If you group up on them lets say two fighters and a mage, there really is not enough to go around. You get a lot of staffs and barely usable longswords. After spending like forty five minutes there we had about 5 silver. It was like 465 or something. That really is not worth it considering the work it took even for one fairly advanced mage and two strong fighters. As for trolls, the drop pretty much the same general stuff as skeletons, leather armor, maces, I am not even sure if they drop copper. I do not think so. A lot of herbs. Yet they are stronger creatures then skeletons. Why should they drop the same?Lrmy wrote: The problem - Warriors cannot afford what they need to fight. Weapons/armor from NPCs are not worth selling/using. Even Ogres and Gnolls aren't worth killing with the current drop system. Troll's either.
The Answer - More coins are dropped by NPCs or better usable items are dropped by NPCs.
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done=AddDropItem(226,1,20,(100*math.random(2,4)+math.random(22,44)),0,1); --warhammer
if not done then done=AddDropItem(230,1,10,(100*math.random(2,4)+math.random(22,44)),0,1);end --mace
if not done then done=AddDropItem(2737,1,1,(100*math.random(2,4)+math.random(22,44)),0,1);end --morning star
if not done then done=AddDropItem(231,1,1,(100*math.random(2,4)+math.random(22,44)),0,1);end --morning star
if not done then done=AddDropItem(2664,1,1,(100*math.random(2,4)+math.random(22,44)),0,1);end --clubCode: Select all
done=AddDropItem(226,1,20,(100*math.random(3,5)+math.random(33,55)),0,1); --warhammer
if not done then done=AddDropItem(2728,1,10,(100*math.random(3,5)+math.random(33,55)),0,1);end --mace
if not done then done=AddDropItem(2737,1,1,(100*math.random(3,5)+math.random(33,55)),0,1);end --morning star
if not done then done=AddDropItem(230,1,1,(100*math.random(3,5)+math.random(33,55)),0,1);end --mace
if not done then done=AddDropItem(231,1,1,(100*math.random(3,5)+math.random(33,55)),0,1);end --morning starCode: Select all
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