I quit this game

Dash · Post by **Dash** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:05 am

I think this was wrong. Just my opinion. I would be pissed if it happened to me.

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:08 am

Very good, you learned a big word in english class...

Wake up Kent. Some people aren't very happy with this turn of events. I don't care if Martin is acting 'mature' about it. What he did was out of line. In the past two weeks he has made three changes to 'test' out new ideas. Okay, the crafting system is great, but then we lost items without knowing. Okay. We can move on, though it was an annoyance. The cold. Sure it was a test, but he didn't tell us that and led us to believe it was yet another quest, then made fun of people who believed it was a quest. How kind of him. Insulting the players.

Now this?! Oh, shit happens, it is your own fault you didn't do what we offered. How was Patric or his character Samantha supposed to know something like this would happen? And why does this not come as a surprise with the fighting him, Martin, and Vilarion have done in the past few days. This doesn't sound like they were testing some innocent feature, which they had the chance to test somewhere else. It sounds like they were actually trying to remove Patric from the game!

Good job, Martin, you got your wish. Now do us a favor and stop acting like a child who won't get his way. I've had enough of you picking on people in the past week. I've had enough of your force rp and I have had enough of your bullshit. Go back to elemetary school where you can bully others. Unlike some players of Illa, I'm not going to put up with it.

Lord Arcia · Post by **Lord Arcia** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:08 am

Juniper Onyx wrote:Hey, I can be belligerant, how about....

I'll get some halfling friends together and we'll sing,
"Ding Dong the witch is dead......Ding dong the wicked witch is dead...."

hahahaha!!!!!!

PS: I want them Ruby slippers!

COOOOLLLLD blooded!

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:12 am

Dantagon Marescot wrote:....... I've had enough of your force rp and I have had enough of your bullshit. Go back to elemetary school where you can bully others. Unlike some players of Illa, I'm not going to put up with it.

Umm.....I think you missed the point.

They can do whatever they please.

It may not be 'fair', but it's their game, not ours. Either play and RP through the BS, or leave. I can see no other way myself.

PS: I hate addictions, they really suck sometimes.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:12 am

Juniper Onyx wrote:Hey, I can be belligerant, how about....

I'll get some halfling friends together and we'll sing,
"Ding Dong the witch is dead......Ding dong the wicked witch is dead...."

hahahaha!!!!!!

PS: I want them Ruby slippers!

That is not very needed... You know Patric was/is a decent Role Player and did contribute to the game on at least some level.

@Dantagon

I can see you are angered, so I will not press things further on you, though it is tempting.

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:16 am

Lrmy wrote:
Juniper Onyx wrote:Hey, I can be belligerant, how about....

I'll get some halfling friends together and we'll sing,
"Ding Dong the witch is dead......Ding dong the wicked witch is dead...."

hahahaha!!!!!!

PS: I want them Ruby slippers!
That is not very needed... You know Patric was/is a decent Role Player and did contribute to the game on at least some level.

@Dantagon

I can see you are angered, so I will not press things further on you, though it is tempting.

Not lately, He's used Samantha as a Power-hungry bully in my opinion.

Serves him right I say.

No love lost here.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:21 am

Patric will come back, he always does, if he dosent use his main characters he will use secret ones and stuff, he just cannot live without Illa.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:22 am

Enwell van Illdoran wrote:besides, she paid to owned it and if you find the announcement of the selling you will read that the new owner can do whatever the **** he wants to with it..

Its an Inn, not a personal house. From what I know of Lennier, he would not let such a huge building and property be built or owned for the private use of ONE person.

Enwell van Illdoran · Post by **Enwell van Illdoran** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:22 am

Oh Juniper..

go and sneak back in martins ass, you may have to learn some of his senteces which you can quote next time..

of course this is not our game, but still..

fairness is one of the basics this game is built on..

Fair RP from players and gms.. why do you think they invented the gm abuse..

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:22 am

Yeah, addictions suck sometimes.....

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:29 am

Samantha doesn't live there alone. I mean, you didn't expect her to actually be single, do you? Go re-read Patric's first post.

And Juniper, how many times have you said you were leaving and have come back with a secret character? Yes, addictions suck, but you too said you were leaving after the great temple battle, which turned out to be not so great.

And Kent. I remember you telling me that you had a feeling problems will arise after the next illa meeting (though you said November). I hate to say it, but I think you are right and I expect more to come.

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:30 am

Enwell van Illdoran wrote:Oh Juniper..

go and sneak back in martins ass, you may have to learn some of his senteces which you can quote next time..

I resent that. I never met the guy. I'm just speaking plain truth, if Gm's want to abuse power, what can we do about it?

Fairness is a delusion as long as someone is running things, Communism tried Fairness-see how it turned out? Besides, crap happens, and I don't really see why Martin was wrong here. The all-powerful Samantha should have handled it, or even better, RP through it and use her position as Magistrate to make new laws, recruit a fire-squad and safe-guard the citizens from future disaster.

But no...It's easier to quit I suppose. Her precious Mansion was destroyed. Boo Hoo.

Enwell van Illdoran · Post by **Enwell van Illdoran** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:38 am

But you cant really say that Samantha did a bad job leading trolls bane with siltaris.. they did it quite well. The mighty Samantha indeed was the mighty samantha...

But i would be pretty pissed aswell in that same situation, and considering that this was claimed an accident, but telling afterwards that it would have been stupid to tell her before because she could do something against it then, make just clear that they wanted to burn the whole mother**** down..

and quit me that political shit you know damn right what i am talking about.. this is a GAME and a good GAME need fair PLAY..

and illarion has that..

that is why this is so f****ng out fo line.

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:52 am

Enwell van Illdoran wrote: and quit me that political shit you know damn right what i am talking about.. this is a GAME and a good GAME need fair PLAY..

and illarion has that..

that is why this is so f****ng out fo line.

The political crap, is just individual philosophy upon a mob.

The point is that those with power will eventually use it needlessly out of boredom, spite or simply because they can.

This is a game, yes, but it is run, moderated, and governed by people. Understanding people is key here. The 'Game' would be fair if there were no "GM's" or "Mods" at all.

As long as people are allowed to F*** with the game, it will never be fair. If you think so, you should quit.

I don't really care. I like the game and I'm addicted. Fairness is a delusion, and if I just accept that 'crap' happens, I start to have fun again.

Enwell van Illdoran · Post by **Enwell van Illdoran** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:04 am

oh i like the game.. i am addicted aswell.. i enjoy the game.. and i have fun..

BUT... call me a communist if i enjoy the game even more if i know my friends have fun, too..

Fairness aint a delusion.. fairness in a privilege which makes a roleplay game work.. if we dont get this privilege and start to use our power to force people leaving and start to bully people this game is just fucked and will die for much people, even you if they start to bully at you, but that wont happen because you prefer to stay fine with the "authorities".

fine for me, but stop messing up the action, when somebodies trying to defend those who get forced out..

Lord Arcia · Post by **Lord Arcia** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:08 am

He wasn't forced. He voluntarily left.

Enwell van Illdoran · Post by **Enwell van Illdoran** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:11 am

lets say force to voluntary leaving.. get the picture?

Juniper Onyx · Post by **Juniper Onyx** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:18 am

Enwell van Illdoran wrote: ...... but that wont happen because you prefer to stay fine with the "authorities"..

Ha!!!

I have seen it already and I am sure it's coming for me again too!

I don't know who's making you so upset and delusional, but everyone has favorites, but I'm not one of them.

If you think you need fairness to RP, you haven't lived life long enough pal. What are you, early 20's? Grow up another 10 years and then we could communicate on a more even understanding of the tragedies and "Inherent" unfairness life possesses. I know it's just a game, but the Game isn't just 'left alone', it is tweaked by GM's to create variety, activity, quests and all manner of things to help 'entertain' the players. As well intentioned as it may be, some of it is going to be unfair to someone. Unfairness comes with the game, get used to it.

Art imitates Life........or something like that.

You can't please everyone.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:25 am

well, i won't participate in the flamewar about flames.

but the system interests me.
it was mentioned, that samantha, being a mage, could / should have been able to extiguish the fire.

here comes my question:
how can non-mages extiguish a fire?
(please don't "find out ingame" me on this)

an insurance does not seem right to me. out of the ambience.
but an efficient way, to fight a fire, would be wellcome.

Lianis · Post by **Lianis** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:27 am

Ever tried dumping a bucket of water on a campfire?

SssSSSssSSSsssssss!

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:30 am

no, i never did, because there was no reason to do it.

but you can be sure, that i will try it now.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:35 am

Enwell van Illdoran wrote:lets say force to voluntary leaving.. get the picture?

They could have just acted like Samantha was killed in the fire and permakilled her. Offering a chance to rebuild isn't exactly forcing someone to leave.

Enwell van Illdoran · Post by **Enwell van Illdoran** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:39 am

Juniper Onyx wrote:
Enwell van Illdoran wrote: ...... but that wont happen because you prefer to stay fine with the "authorities"..
Ha!!!

I have seen it already and I am sure it's coming for me again too!

I don't know who's making you so upset and delusional, but everyone has favorites, but I'm not one of them.

If you think you need fairness to RP, you haven't lived life long enough pal. What are you, early 20's? Grow up another 10 years and then we could communicate on a more even understanding of the tragedies and "Inherent" unfairness life possesses. I know it's just a game, but the Game isn't just 'left alone', it is tweaked by GM's to create variety, activity, quests and all manner of things to help 'entertain' the players. As well intentioned as it may be, some of it is going to be unfair to someone. Unfairness comes with the game, get used to it.

Art imitates Life........or something like that.

You can't please everyone.

aaahw please, i knew this was about to be happen. Some older folks plays to be grown up to demonstrate his life experience and knowledge..
alright lets put it this way.
quests are made to entertain players, and of course there always be some kind of unfairness, which usualy is the reason what patric starts complaining about. BUT THIS TIME:
There wasn't something to entertain the player..
It was about taking him down..
Everybody who was involved should've known patric would complain about it, everybody should've known after the recent flamewars he would be pissed and would take it personal.. so if it wasn't meant to just pick on the player, then they have to be pretty dumb. And if it was just to pick the player, then this is something that just dont belongs in a game like this.

and i hope you understand why this is not about "start having fun again" anymore..

Elian · Post by **Elian** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:47 am

I'll give my opinion when I come back to college, I hope Patric will still be there when I do.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:50 am

In aid to Juniper-
Most human beings have an infinite capacity for taking things for granted. Aldous Huxley

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:55 am

Most human beings have an infinite capacity for taking things for granted.

and those, who don't, are laughed at. Me

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:38 am

Nobody would have bought the insurance from some stranger on a small island with no way to see his legitimacy. This is true from both from a character and a player's point of view, and I'm sure that had any of you been given the same proposition, you would have reacted exactly the same way. Can any of you honestly say that you believe this incident was meant to create more fun for players and just coincidentally happened to be tested on Patric of all players? You honestly believe that this particular incident was done out of good will and the belief that the player would enjoy it?

I'm very disappointed to see that some of you have had your judgement clouded by a grudge or dislike of a player again. Normally I don't say anything about this community's disputes anymore, but it saddens me to see some of the reactions/lack of reactions that are obviously due to personal feelings towards Patric which should have no bearing on how you see the magnitude of this incident, regardless of how antagonizing he is. Stop being distracted with irrelevant personal history and pointless rhetoric discussions.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:03 am

Dyluck wrote:Nobody would have bought the insurance from some stranger on a small island with no way to see his legitimacy. This is true from both from a character and a player's point of view, and I'm sure that had any of you been given the same proposition, you would have reacted exactly the same way. Can any of you honestly say that you believe this incident was meant to create more fun for players and just coincidentally happened to be tested on Patric of all players? You honestly believe that this particular incident was done out of good will and the belief that the player would enjoy it?

I'm very disappointed to see that some of you have had your judgement clouded by a grudge or dislike of a player again. Normally I don't say anything about this community's disputes anymore, but it saddens me to see some of the reactions/lack of reactions that are obviously due to personal feelings towards Patric which should have no bearing on how you see the magnitude of this incident, regardless of how antagonizing he is. Stop being distracted with irrelevant personal history and pointless rhetoric discussions.

I'll sign this. Dyluck props for striking right at the heart of the matter

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:04 am

Dyluck wrote:Nobody would have bought the insurance from some stranger on a small island with no way to see his legitimacy. This is true from both from a character and a player's point of view, and I'm sure that had any of you been given the same proposition, you would have reacted exactly the same way. Can any of you honestly say that you believe this incident was meant to create more fun for players and just coincidentally happened to be tested on Patric of all players? You honestly believe that this particular incident was done out of good will and the belief that the player would enjoy it?

I'm very disappointed to see that some of you have had your judgement clouded by a grudge or dislike of a player again. Normally I don't say anything about this community's disputes anymore, but it saddens me to see some of the reactions/lack of reactions that are obviously due to personal feelings towards Patric which should have no bearing on how you see the magnitude of this incident, regardless of how antagonizing he is. Stop being distracted with irrelevant personal history and pointless rhetoric discussions.

/signed

Enwell van Illdoran · Post by **Enwell van Illdoran** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:04 am

Dyluck wrote:Nobody would have bought the insurance from some stranger on a small island with no way to see his legitimacy. This is true from both from a character and a player's point of view, and I'm sure that had any of you been given the same proposition, you would have reacted exactly the same way. Can any of you honestly say that you believe this incident was meant to create more fun for players and just coincidentally happened to be tested on Patric of all players? You honestly believe that this particular incident was done out of good will and the belief that the player would enjoy it?

I'm very disappointed to see that some of you have had your judgement clouded by a grudge or dislike of a player again. Normally I don't say anything about this community's disputes anymore, but it saddens me to see some of the reactions/lack of reactions that are obviously due to personal feelings towards Patric which should have no bearing on how you see the magnitude of this incident, regardless of how antagonizing he is. Stop being distracted with irrelevant personal history and pointless rhetoric discussions.

/signed (!!!)