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Clesk · Post by **Clesk** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:26 am

Ok I know there are already alot of posts about the roleplaying on here but I thought I'd give my ideas.

Most people I meet act like they want it to be peaceful and are very nice but soon as one bad thing is done to them they are crazy bloodthirsty barbarians like Andrew. One minute they are against killing and the next they are forming hunting parties. I understand you all want to "remove evil from the town" and such but most of you are a little too quick to go for their throat. As for the evil...some times you do kill too many newbies. I'm not all together against random killing but you can see thier number and if it is 13300+ then they probably dont stand even a second against you. As for anyone 12000 and lower, they are probably skilled enough to get away or atleast live long enough to hit ESC like a wimp. If you are evil try starting a consiracy or stealing everyone's shovels, maybe burn the library down. I must admit Andrew is pretty funny but saying you kill for food and are hungry everytime you see a person is pretty much the same as random killing. Maybe try being like Crystal Star...walk around in circles not knowing which alignment you are and ask for a wife cause you are lonely and have no friends from PKing everyone so much. The "good alignment" people are doing good, they try to make new buildings, improve the town, help newbies, assist thier friends when attacked... evil on the other hand still needs a kick in the butt. You all seem to want Spaniard banned from playing but he atleast keeps the game fun. What would everyone do if there were no snipers? Sit around improving your skills. So after you spend hours getting max skills since no PKers attack you what do you do? Fight your friends so you can die and improve your skills again? I'm sure not everyone is mad at the evil people who kill, it's probably just the cry babies that get killed by them. This is an RPG...its not Marvel Comics, not everyone is superman. You will die in this game. I have died quite a few times. I don't exactly enjoy dying but I don't tell the gods to remove that person from the game either. I'm not trying to make anyone mad from this post even tho a few people will take this to the game and kill me. Alot of people seem to do that between characters. Oh well...have fun.

Clesk

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:32 am

ooc:

no i do not random kill, i kill once..res then do my roleplaying thing..*cut u up..steal your ears..eat your stomach..*..not mass murdering..i agree with some points clesk..if there were no pks..what fun would it be>? what fun would it be not to be able to keep your PVP(player vs player) up to par, so u dont die during a next fight?..and no, im not a crazy barbarian..i am the way i am..nothing was done bad to me..i was always a great chef and a wonderful cannibal..*Me smiles*... and yes my numbers in the 13000 section..butt hat does not disclude that i can/cannot defend myself..

all im sayin is if i have to die for being a cannibal then so be it..but if i dont kill why should they? hmm..

we need a cannibals support group..mwhahaha
*end ooc*

#me walks off chewing on a orc's tounge and dipping into halfling head brain sauce

Sir crystal star · Post by **Sir crystal star** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:36 am

Grrr Clesk.

(occ: i've had to be nice while i think about think cus i'm not gonna be stupid and get banned)

Fool

Sir crystal star · Post by **Sir crystal star** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:49 am

BTW 'fool' was at andrew

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 12:09 pm

@ "What would everyone do if there were no snipers? Sit around improving your skills. So after you spend hours getting max skills since no PKers attack you what do you do? Fight your friends so you can die and improve your skills again? This is an RPG...its not Marvel Comics"

Why DO you sit around maxing your skills just to engage other people in fights that comes down to metal clanking sounds and red x's? If your entertainment comes from fighting others only why don't you play a fighting game against your friends where the battle is displayed in vibrant lively graphics and you can work on your techniques and combos, instead of illarion where you sit around for hours trying to see if a tiny bar grows any longer so that you can get more red x's on your opponent?

The point of the game is not to sit around improving your skills and go to fights. Like you said this is an rpg not marvel comics. In an rpg the fun is supposed to come from roleplaying, which is like being an actor. The fighting adds a bit to the game but is only a small part of it and is not supposed to be what makes the game fun. If random Pking is so much fun, why not go and play other MUDs where you can PK other players all you want without worrying about getting banned? I'm not directing this comment at Clesk, but just people in general.

@"all im sayin is if i have to die for being a cannibal then so be it..but if i dont kill why should they? hmm.. "

So you're saying a murderer should only be pursued by the cops during the time of the crime, but the next day the murderer should walk around town freely in broad daylight? If people already know you're a cannibal, why would they do nothing when they know that you'll have to eat people again eventually? You're like saying "I attack people just because i'm a cannibal but i'm not hungry until tomorrow so please let me go shopping and do smithing until then. Even though i'm going to eat people again tomorrow for sure, please don't kill me today."

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 12:15 pm

ooc:no dyluck thats not what i ment...but its funny..others who perform the same feats as me only get attacked when they attack people..hmmmm

i dunno..and yes this is a rpg..why max your skills to fight? roleplaying is more then fighting..its acting too..but alas..not many know of that part..

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 12:20 pm

ooc: what really makes me phuckin sick is how many people in illarion are CRYBABIES...they die once and email bror to remove the person who killed them..

if they only knew that part of roleplayin was to die too..not everyone will live all the time..there will always be a badside....thats what agitates me the most..how many babies are in illarion..i do not mind being banned..because i know that will not stop me if i decide to kill..

I just wish people would grow up a tad bit..

#me walks away in disgust..

Cosmaterra · Post by **Cosmaterra** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 12:51 pm

the discussion here is as old as illarion is, or not?

let me tell you something, if i start in this world it was never such a chaos as now...

and now everytime i log in, anybody is killing,.... or anybody snipers from a hidden place... a funny one cast in town...you cannot do rp than, cause you had to protect yourself, or protect some newbies which are no powergaming and get low skills then....

yes clesk its right that everywere is a dark side, but also everywere is a group which fight agains it... if you want to kill with no problems need to play cs or quake or something like that, ...

illarion is a rpg, that means for me ... play a role, talk to others, do some speciall work whit my charakter, sometime just stand around a fire and talk about the last days,... or went to fluffys with friends and drink some beer together, go for a walk with your love,... train for the illimpycs... and so on... this list can count more things as you know.

But really good roleplayers loose the fun on doing this things, if anyways when they come ingame some "newbies" are killing around whitout a reason, and if you fight back start to cry he your much older than me why you kill/attack me... *sights*...

its no secret that in illarion everybody can push his fighting skills up in a few days, and i tell you what i see,... i see nummbers like 12XXX, 13XXX standing around an training all day on each other... is this roleplay??

if anybody find only fun in a roleplay, when there is instant killing around, he is no roleplayer,.. sorry but this is my meaning... in the past we got weeks without any attacks,... and this were nice weeks... you can meet people and find friends.... thats roleplay....

@clesk: Think about the things i told you in the libary some days ago.... you can also get all this i talked about if you try...

greetings Cosma

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:02 pm

#me laughs..

play a role..do something fun..sit around a fire...yes thats good if you are good..but what about the evil ones..

well lets review..

they get to:

1. hide out until their enemys are not in this realm.
2. lurk around trying to avoid detection so they can gain skills slower then the *powergamers*
3. talk to themselves in some damp cave/ or dense forrest as they plan they next...*visit to town*..

but wait..cosmaterra,.,.ye say : "well they chose to be evil so they get this.."..

but what about the evil ones who roleplay more then just kill? should they deserve this?

who knows...

who knows..

#me walks off holding a shovel with a bloody end

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:08 pm

well...

i personally try to avoid killing newbies in any state , cause i got killed at my first day in illarion in thye middle of guild war , well .. it surely was a bit fun .. i had nothing to loose .
but the orcies kicked my butt

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:13 pm

Sure you can roleplay a bad person that doesn't get killed on sight when he walks around the town, but I don't think a cannibal is one of them.

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:38 pm

#me smiles..

you can be a cannibal without killing people...

well almost..

ooc: i just wish i wouldnt get banned for killing 1 person..every say...once a week..or something.. *shrugs*

sir ganon · Post by **sir ganon** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 1:51 pm

ok first off i am or was some what of a powergamer,but lately i have come over to just pure role playing fun because i almost quit illarion before i did because it was to boring like dylucks point about little red cross's ,but here's my veiw if you care to hear it .(to bad you dont have a choice

) anyway first i find good battles or people killer's to add a little depth to the game (and im not talking mass random pk'ing im talking choice pkers who go for older players alone)
it adds a little some thing more to chat about around the camp fire with friends and such,and another thing is that one of my char's main points is how strong he is so that adds a conversation point ,and i dont know how much i love hearing tales over a fire about horrible attacks i missed so i see every ones point but there are thousands of veiws on how a person should role play so i hope i offended no one

thx for listening

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:04 pm

I don't think you would get banned for killing someone to eat once a week if you were a cannibal, but don't expect people to just leave you alone for the other 6 days of the week.

Btw you don't need ooc tags on the main board.

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 2:14 pm

i know dyluck i dont need ooc tags..its just im so use to bein IC..and bein banned..you know what bror told me..that if ONE PERSON complained that i killed them for food. he'd ban me and all my chars..

now..whats the logic in that?

hmmm

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Sat Jan 05, 2002 5:34 pm

@Andrew: IT IS ENOUGH!
You have been banned ONE TIME for MANY RANDOM kills, WITHOUT roleplay and for BUGUSING.
If this means you are "used to get banned every week for one kill" I can't help myself.
But WHEN THE HELL did I say you would get banned if you kill one person for food????
Tell me and I'll give you some unique items.
LYING here straigt in my face and to all others here is against the rules too. Take this at a warning. I'll think about deleting all your characters and block your coming back if you stick to this "I am such a good person, but the administraters are so evil to me"-Attitude, no matter if Andrew is roleplaying or not.

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sun Jan 06, 2002 6:08 am

bror you told me on a post on a board..(was either me or dipstick..) that if he/me kills one more person AND THEY EMAIL YOU ABOUT IT , then we will be banned..

now correct me please.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Sun Jan 06, 2002 6:36 am

Actually I think you mistunderstood, what Bror said was:

"@Dipstick: If I notice, that you kill Illarion characters, because their players write emails to me, ALL your characters will be gone PERMANENTLY. "

I doubt you kill people for emaling bror either, but that whole discussion was just a huge confusion and caused a lot of misunderstanding.

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sun Jan 06, 2002 7:26 am

no i do not kill people for emailing bror..neither does dipstick (that i know of)...it is a big confusing mess

korn muphin two · Post by **korn muphin two** » Sun Jan 06, 2002 10:12 am

well i might ot make any sense because i have serious unsomnia but
i think andrew horton is not a bad asset he gives a little evil to fight
and with some reason for killing (next time you won't be so lucky

)

Andrew Horton · Post by **Andrew Horton** » Sun Jan 06, 2002 10:18 am

#me smiles at korwin..

thanks..by the way, you want some soup..i have ye ears in it..and your nose..oh and your tongue..
very good..

and free

#me smiles and continues sipping his bowl of soup

Clesk · Post by **Clesk** » Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:16 pm

Ok I could be wrong about this but it seems all the "good align" people want all the evil people to quit and play a different game cause they are afraid that evil person might end up killing them. If you all like this game so much dont you want a larger player base? Dont you all want more people to play so you can RP more? If you tell people they are doing something wrong by killing then tell them to play a different MUD do you think that will get more people to play? Can you imagine if say 30-40 people were on the game at all times? The town could have its own small army or guards if it wanted. Evil people would have to get organized and have a hideout. One PKer wouldnt be able to just run thru the town and slaughter all the newbies. But the way you want it is have all your friends on here and everyone else that doesnt fit in your plans has to "go play another mud". Well I hope you end up having fun alone.

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 12:55 am

First of all: You continue to use the #me command when this is ooc.
Second: RP contains sitting around a fire, and interacting.
I do understand that this is a GAME, and that they DID program systems in it
so we could have some FUN between chats...
Many people (including I) Go on a training session sooner or later.
There is no harm in that. But you buguse. And many other newbies.
I hate how Illarion is turning out because of these little children
that apparently could care less for roleplay and like to torture players
and talk like a serial killer while their parents are away.
It all makes me sick.
I am growing very tired of all this trouble... I may leave if this goes on much longer.

Drunk Mage Dipstick · Post by **Drunk Mage Dipstick** » Tue Jan 08, 2002 9:05 am

rping contains sitting around a fire?

noooooo, sorry, its more then that

hahahaha..he bug use's

bror fixed behind the shop and by the library erdrick, i do not buguse

get your shit straight before you accuse someone..

and little kids...

and did you know a "training session" is not roleplaying to the gods?

lol