Just kidding.
I wouldn't mind either, as long as both parties are OKAY, and agree on WHAT kind of slavery it would be. (Sexual or simply for work).
Open discussion about Slavery
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If only you knew.. 
I don't have the time right now to read everything, but my ideas on slavery ingame:
Certainly would be nice, adds new stuff to the possibilities.
But, it would likely cause a lot of problems, even if the player allows his char to be enslaved.
Many *true* slaves(By wich I mean forced slaves, not the voluntary kind as Lianis stated.) would, I assume, have no personal freedom, so no freedom to roam and do things. Thus only able to play during the time his/her owner is online.
The most slave chars would have *extremely* little posibillities.
Not everyone is able to play a lot, or at the same times.
With these kind of relations, and this being the case, what would the slave char have to do?
Unless it's a dissobediant slave who tries to escape at every possible occasion, just to get caught again and earn a fierce punishment.
But eventually, everyone can be broken, and then what would the slave have to do?
You can't play such a char much, unless his/her master allows a lot of freedom.
But, there is no rule forbidding it, only one forbidding forced rp.
So with consent, one can try, just be warned with the things I stated, for I am pretty sure such things will happen in many cases of 'traditional' slavery.
Though the general attitude in Illa is very modern, and obviously a *lot* of chars would be totally against it, and it'd be considered just the same as any 'evil' around by many.
I don't have the time right now to read everything, but my ideas on slavery ingame:
Certainly would be nice, adds new stuff to the possibilities.
But, it would likely cause a lot of problems, even if the player allows his char to be enslaved.
Many *true* slaves(By wich I mean forced slaves, not the voluntary kind as Lianis stated.) would, I assume, have no personal freedom, so no freedom to roam and do things. Thus only able to play during the time his/her owner is online.
The most slave chars would have *extremely* little posibillities.
Not everyone is able to play a lot, or at the same times.
With these kind of relations, and this being the case, what would the slave char have to do?
Unless it's a dissobediant slave who tries to escape at every possible occasion, just to get caught again and earn a fierce punishment.
But eventually, everyone can be broken, and then what would the slave have to do?
You can't play such a char much, unless his/her master allows a lot of freedom.
But, there is no rule forbidding it, only one forbidding forced rp.
So with consent, one can try, just be warned with the things I stated, for I am pretty sure such things will happen in many cases of 'traditional' slavery.
Though the general attitude in Illa is very modern, and obviously a *lot* of chars would be totally against it, and it'd be considered just the same as any 'evil' around by many.
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I would like not to see a time limit on the slavery also. The only time limit being when both chars (owner and slave) decide to stop, and the slave escape or the friends help to escape.
Nor do I think copper should be exchanged except by mutual agreement. If a char and PO wanted to RP a slave, and became unhappy with it, having to pay copper would be a deterrent from someone agreeing to become a slave in the first place (at least it would my chars). As far as being ig when the owner isn't, there could always be some kind of RP...chains with a key etc.
Nor do I think copper should be exchanged except by mutual agreement. If a char and PO wanted to RP a slave, and became unhappy with it, having to pay copper would be a deterrent from someone agreeing to become a slave in the first place (at least it would my chars). As far as being ig when the owner isn't, there could always be some kind of RP...chains with a key etc.
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The reason for the time limit would be so that players dont 'have' to be slaves forever. If they don't like it as you say, they should eventually be freed. besides, the RP may be interesting between Master and former slave. If the PO wants to stay a slave, it can continue of course, but a slave should be limited for the Players sake.
The reason for a slave to be worth money is to possibly start some 'slave' trading to those who want a slave, but unable to get one otherwise. Maybe even have a slave auction. It also offers a non-violent opportunity for a slave to be purchased and freed by friends or sympathizers. The 'worth' should be limited too to prevent abuse.
It's not forced RP, but provides a time limit for a PO to have to play the role. Afterwards, he could be free or stay, whatever the RP inspires them to do.
The reason for a slave to be worth money is to possibly start some 'slave' trading to those who want a slave, but unable to get one otherwise. Maybe even have a slave auction. It also offers a non-violent opportunity for a slave to be purchased and freed by friends or sympathizers. The 'worth' should be limited too to prevent abuse.
It's not forced RP, but provides a time limit for a PO to have to play the role. Afterwards, he could be free or stay, whatever the RP inspires them to do.
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I can see that..and I guess it depends how much silver a char has, or the chars friends...I do think it may dissuade some from being a slave however. As far as the time, perhaps instead of a set time, it could be agreed upon between both PO's ahead of time with the max being 3 months rl?Kurga Wolfbane wrote:The reason for the time limit would be so that players dont 'have' to be slaves forever. If they don't like it as you say, they should eventually be freed. besides, the RP may be interesting between Master and former slave. If the PO wants to stay a slave, it can continue of course, but a slave should be limited for the Players sake.
The reason for a slave to be worth money is to possibly start some 'slave' trading to those who want a slave, but unable to get one otherwise. Maybe even have a slave auction. It also offers a non-violent opportunity for a slave to be purchased and freed by friends or sympathizers. The 'worth' should be limited too to prevent abuse.
It's not forced RP, but provides a time limit for a PO to have to play the role. Afterwards, he could be free or stay, whatever the RP inspires them to do.
i don't think we need an OOC system for an ig character concept. it just makes things even more complicated. and as said not all characters will agree with this anyway. If a group wants to make ig prices and systems when it comes to how they would treat handle and sell there own captured or otherwise slaves that fine.But i'm not seeing any reason to be building a system around this. Characters that were and are slaves have done fine without this and already exist so there isn'ta need for such a thing in any ooc or technical sense
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Oh no, not another OOC system!!
I was talking puely as an agreed 'rules of engagement' between players, so we all know what to expect (In theory) so the RP doesn't go too far and break any rules.
It's supposed to be for fun, not limited by yet another OOC system.
This is a totally IG creation, but due to its contraversial nature, I just wanted to establish some ideas to be agreed upon as IG 'Rules of conduct'.
It seems I have much support already and a few applications. I'll go ahead and implement the ideas here in the new Orc forum board, RP it a while and see what happens.
Thanks for everyone's support and ideas.
I was talking puely as an agreed 'rules of engagement' between players, so we all know what to expect (In theory) so the RP doesn't go too far and break any rules.
It's supposed to be for fun, not limited by yet another OOC system.
This is a totally IG creation, but due to its contraversial nature, I just wanted to establish some ideas to be agreed upon as IG 'Rules of conduct'.
It seems I have much support already and a few applications. I'll go ahead and implement the ideas here in the new Orc forum board, RP it a while and see what happens.
Thanks for everyone's support and ideas.
As i said, this already existed long before you brought up the idea in this thread, and worked perfectly fine without 'rules of conduct'. All that term means is that now a role that was played in a minor and discrete manner will become a role that is common base and openly played. The slave role is interesting when it's pivotal in character devolopment or part of a storyline. but making the role so common that it needs pre arranged 'rules of conduct.' is really going to suck the life out of this particular rp role.
well seems original concern has evolved into something rather unlike it's original intent.
Personally since no one one person can tell another how to play there character you had no need to ask the everyone else in the first place. the community doesn't tell you how Kurga plays thats PO Kurga's descision, if someone is willing to play a slave of the orcs for a few months then thats there business. those that can't respect that always have the option of leaving the game.
what i don't want to see is a scanario like
player one: so what do you do for a living?
Player two: i'm a slave
Player one: oh really, so are those half dozen people over there
the last time I was involved in a rp that had a slave character in it it was excellent and very emotional and for the most part very well roleplayed. but from this kind of idea all we'll have is a Desensitization to the role where its just so common that no one even pays attention to it as something of interest. (thusly the same reason there isn't an open magic system
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Personally since no one one person can tell another how to play there character you had no need to ask the everyone else in the first place. the community doesn't tell you how Kurga plays thats PO Kurga's descision, if someone is willing to play a slave of the orcs for a few months then thats there business. those that can't respect that always have the option of leaving the game.
what i don't want to see is a scanario like
player one: so what do you do for a living?
Player two: i'm a slave
Player one: oh really, so are those half dozen people over there
the last time I was involved in a rp that had a slave character in it it was excellent and very emotional and for the most part very well roleplayed. but from this kind of idea all we'll have is a Desensitization to the role where its just so common that no one even pays attention to it as something of interest. (thusly the same reason there isn't an open magic system
)Can always PM one of the GM's if it's that much of a concern about a role like that. since ultimately they'll decide things anyway. Asking the player base if thoughtful but really never gets you much of anywhere unless of course your for some reason needing general communal acceptance of your own rp, at which point you may want to consider evolving a Backbone
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Umm...In an environment with City-states, battles, thieves and bandits, slaves would be commonplace too. It's nothing like Magic, which is rare.
GM's already support the practice in the pages about the races on the website. I just haven't seen any players openly endorse it.
Slavery is simply person's dominance over another. Sometimes agricultural and agrarian societies rely on slaves to do most of the work. Orcs are nomadic and certainly fit this category as ones who would commonly practice slavery. Also the vikings of the Nordmark through raids may have slaves, as well as some 'aristocrats' of even Trollsbane, purchased as house servanrts. I don't see why slavery isn't more commonplace in a fantasy world such as this.
But due to PO's needs, I will RP slaves with time limits and 'rules' which still maintain the illusion of slavery, but keeps it within RP bounds. Like I said, I was wondering of people were supportive of the idea, before I made it an open practice of the Orcs IG. Just being polite to the players here, thats all. Everyone plays to have fun, even slave chars, and I am just trying to establish and discuss this before doing it. Thanks.
GM's already support the practice in the pages about the races on the website. I just haven't seen any players openly endorse it.
Slavery is simply person's dominance over another. Sometimes agricultural and agrarian societies rely on slaves to do most of the work. Orcs are nomadic and certainly fit this category as ones who would commonly practice slavery. Also the vikings of the Nordmark through raids may have slaves, as well as some 'aristocrats' of even Trollsbane, purchased as house servanrts. I don't see why slavery isn't more commonplace in a fantasy world such as this.
But due to PO's needs, I will RP slaves with time limits and 'rules' which still maintain the illusion of slavery, but keeps it within RP bounds. Like I said, I was wondering of people were supportive of the idea, before I made it an open practice of the Orcs IG. Just being polite to the players here, thats all. Everyone plays to have fun, even slave chars, and I am just trying to establish and discuss this before doing it. Thanks.
Kurga Wolfbane wrote: fantasy world such as this
you answered your own question. It not common because this isn't RL medieval times. This is a fantasy world that in no way is forced to mimic traditional medevial times. also who's to say Slavery is rare in Illarion, it's just rare in Gobiath. So while it technically is a common role, in a roleplay enviroment again i must state this fact; there can be 'To much of a good Thing'.
all i'm saying is that when someone wants people to take note of a there 'unqiue yet cliche' slave rp and they get ignored and a topic of 'Bad RP' pops into the general forum because of it maybe my meaning will be more apparent. i have no problems with the rp in general however
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Kurga Wolfbane
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Er............I'm speechless. What was the problem again?Athian wrote:you answered your own question. It not common because this isn't RL medieval times. This is a fantasy world that in no way is forced to mimic traditional medevial times. also who's to say Slavery is rare in Illarion, it's just rare in Gobiath. So while it technically is a common role, in a roleplay enviroment again i must state this fact; there can be 'To much of a good Thing'.
Dozens of character made slaves with no personality is going to be the major problem. while alot of people will be all for this idea, what they won't be all for is taking there major played most rped character and puttng them into a slavery role (despite the fact that this is where the best rp would come from).
So the player of the super knight is less likely to allow his favored characters to enter into such a role, instead what will happen is a virtually souless lack luster slave character will be created with limited background and limited rp potential. I have nothing against rp of slaves and i think if some players would allow some more notable characters to become slaves and rp that way for awhile it be no problem. But it's far more likely that those whom think to highly of there primary characters are bascially just going to go off and create tons "Designer slaves".
and thats when the rp will truely get pathetic
So the player of the super knight is less likely to allow his favored characters to enter into such a role, instead what will happen is a virtually souless lack luster slave character will be created with limited background and limited rp potential. I have nothing against rp of slaves and i think if some players would allow some more notable characters to become slaves and rp that way for awhile it be no problem. But it's far more likely that those whom think to highly of there primary characters are bascially just going to go off and create tons "Designer slaves".
and thats when the rp will truely get pathetic
I actually played somewhat of a slave, but the character prefered to be called a servant. The character was a servant to Aristeaus(before he disapeared ) And worked mostly as an information gatherer because he had nothing else for the character to do. Most people just thought the character was insane because that character believed that it was chosen by moshran to usher the dead that cherga sent to Moshran into his realm. The character was one of the more odd characters in the game, and anyone that met the character was confused by her antics and her loyalty to both masters. Seems people weren't ready for slavery when I played that Character. Since some people would just call her insane and walk away, ignoring all RP up to that point. Oh well *shrug*
) And worked mostly as an information gatherer because he had nothing else for the character to do. Most people just thought the character was insane because that character believed that it was chosen by moshran to usher the dead that cherga sent to Moshran into his realm. The character was one of the more odd characters in the game, and anyone that met the character was confused by her antics and her loyalty to both masters. Seems people weren't ready for slavery when I played that Character. Since some people would just call her insane and walk away, ignoring all RP up to that point. Oh well *shrug*-
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Thou hath a point, I didn't consider such things yet.Athian wrote:Dozens of character made slaves with no personality is going to be the major problem. while alot of people will be all for this idea, what they won't be all for is taking there major played most rped character and puttng them into a slavery role (despite the fact that this is where the best rp would come from).
So the player of the super knight is less likely to allow his favored characters to enter into such a role, instead what will happen is a virtually souless lack luster slave character will be created with limited background and limited rp potential. I have nothing against rp of slaves and i think if some players would allow some more notable characters to become slaves and rp that way for awhile it be no problem. But it's far more likely that those whom think to highly of there primary characters are bascially just going to go off and create tons "Designer slaves".
and thats when the rp will truely get pathetic
Ofcourse most people wouldn't allow their chars to have such things happen, I for one wouldn't mind such things, if the chance arose, but I can see many people not at all wanting such slave chars.
I'd write more, but I gotta run again.
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The coicidence of this discussion is that this week is the 200th anniversary of the abolition of slavery.
I agree with Athian, if someone wants to be a slave of whoever, that's their business. As long as it breaks no rules, there should be no problem with people who consent to being slaves. To be honest I don't know why this topic is still continuing.
I agree with Athian, if someone wants to be a slave of whoever, that's their business. As long as it breaks no rules, there should be no problem with people who consent to being slaves. To be honest I don't know why this topic is still continuing.
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It's not as far as I am concerned. I have already implemented slavery into the Orc Clan, have three applications for slave Characters and we will see how it works out.
Thanks for all the imput everyone.
@Skaalib: 200th anniversary? I thought slavery was abolished with the Emanicipation Proclamation in 1863? 2007-1863 = not 200!
Thanks for all the imput everyone.
@Skaalib: 200th anniversary? I thought slavery was abolished with the Emanicipation Proclamation in 1863? 2007-1863 =
not 200!