Illarion wiki

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:41 pm

Nitram wrote:And why can't those things be written in the forum or on the illarion homepage?

Because the illarion homepage gets updated once every few years?

Herian Trueshot · Post by **Herian Trueshot** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:46 pm

Two things: First, thank you Jake Talahan, that was A very good post, and you helped explain what I was trying to say when I couldn't think of how to say it. Secondly, Hadrian_Abela, that was a good point, so I thank you both. I'm just about to get it running I think, but I'm making no promises on when it will be up, but I'll say this, as long as no one comes up with a good enough reason to stop it, it will happen. (unless of course I'll get banned by argueing with a GM or something..)

Post by **Nitram** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:01 am

Hadrian_Abela wrote:Because the illarion homepage gets updated once every few years?

Feel free to write something useable. I put it in within seconds.

Nitram

Herian Trueshot · Post by **Herian Trueshot** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:57 am

Sorry to say this Nitram, but the home page doesn't sound like a good place to do that, seeing as I think it should be used for important news, not random forum dribble from people like me, I thank you for paying attention to this though, and hearing me out, I'm still waiting for my PHP server to work, so I don't know if it will work soon.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:01 am

Someting valuable Nitram?

How About....

NEWS UPDATE

DUE TO SEVERE SERVER CRASHES THAT ARE HAPPENING CONSTANTLY, PLEASE LOG OUT TO SAVE ANY PROGRESS YOUR CHARACTER MAKES OR IT WILL BE LOST.

That may be relevant news...perhaps...maybe...

Lance Thunnigan · Post by **Lance Thunnigan** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:01 am

Arkadia Misella wrote:Someting valuable Nitram?

How About....

NEWS UPDATE

DUE TO SEVERE SERVER CRASHES THAT ARE HAPPENING CONSTANTLY, PLEASE LOG OUT TO SAVE ANY PROGRESS YOUR CHARACTER MAKES OR IT WILL BE LOST.

That may be relevant news...perhaps...maybe...

/Signed

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:18 am

Maybe you make it even worse with logging out and in after some time, atleast that were the bugs last time.

Dariya · Post by **Dariya** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:20 am

Lance Thunnigan wrote:
Arkadia Misella wrote:Someting valuable Nitram?

How About....

NEWS UPDATE

DUE TO SEVERE SERVER CRASHES THAT ARE HAPPENING CONSTANTLY, PLEASE LOG OUT TO SAVE ANY PROGRESS YOUR CHARACTER MAKES OR IT WILL BE LOST.

That may be relevant news...perhaps...maybe...
/Signed

this has been suggested several times before to randomly log out to save

Herian Trueshot · Post by **Herian Trueshot** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:28 pm

Well, seeing as this thread has been hijacked... No, i'm not really sayin it was, but I don't know what server crashes have to do with this.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:00 pm

I have to second Nitram: The problem of the homepage is that there is not enough content worth posting available. Thus, no content for a Wiki, either! The platform does not matter, the content does.

Maybe you can state what you'd like to read in a Wiki or on the homepage - Illarionites, crack the wips! This is what I have in mind:

-Description of the races (similar to the current content)
-Description of the main realms (TB, SB, TV,...)
-History of the island (!!!)
-Vital parts of moonsilver, like the history of the world and the gods
-Informations about attributes and skills and such

What I do not want to read:

-Endless lists of events that took place 1000 miles away, 1000 years ago
-Stuff that is outdated for years (a huge fraction of the current content is)

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:26 pm

a wiki usually has sections
i imagine it as follows

story / gods
races (also the base and max attributes)
creatures
environment
towns
buildings
items / weapons / armors / jewelry and so on
development
trivia

Pellandria · Post by **Pellandria** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:40 pm

WickedEwok wrote:a wiki usually has sections
i imagine it as follows

story / gods moonsilver?
races (also the base and max attributes) moonsilver, don't think we need the attributs
creatures that would actually be usefull
environment Hmm what you want, west mostely forests, east desert and mountains
towns usefull, but as you see every town changes very quieck, vanima is empty while greenbiar is overflooded from elves and humans
buildings don't exactly think this would be neede, the function of the buildings is pretty obvious
items / weapons / armors / jewelry and so on Thats alot of work and things that you should find out ingame are mixing there too

All in all we got the most things allready on moonsilver we shouldn't give away too much infomartions, because then we don't have anyone asking things ig anymore.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:12 pm

IMHO it is a very bad concept to have vital informations on an external site like moonsilver. Nothing against stories and extended history on external pages, but Illarion.org should contain all informations that are necessary.

btw, short informations can lead to more people asking ingame, too.

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:32 pm

what's the matter with 'find out ingame'?

a wiki is a collection of useful information.
i don't think it's the best idea ever to hide everything and make it secret.

people will find out anyway or already know.

most of you act like you would find everything out ingame etc. but i bet you've asked several people ooc for this and that.

nevertheless it's a tribute to the devs to make a wiki like that, for it means that people actually care and think it's worth to create a wiki. skrew the elitism.

Post by **Nitram** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:33 pm

I still don't like the idea of a wiki.

We have a homepage, filled with outdated informations. Why don't you write the usefull informations for the Illarion homepage.

Would be much better for sure...

Nitram

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:36 pm

i guess a wiki is more handy

you can search, go to this and that page at ease and got everything connected to each other. at the homepage you have to browse through the whole content - at the moment it is like that.

Post by **Nitram** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:38 pm

At the moment there is no usefull content but the client download page.

You can write books too and put them Ingame

That would i like most of ingame related things, that you can explain by rp.

The rest should be written on the homepage of Illarion and no third party sites.

Nitram

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:40 pm

but you could not stop anyone from creating a illarion wiki ,)

Post by **Nitram** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:45 pm

Yes. But i still think its not pretty good

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:01 pm

No content=no wiki

The benefit of a wiki is that everybody can edit and publish informations. I do not want everyone being able to change the history or race description, these informations are rather static.

Search functions, links between pages and so on can be realized, too.

Jo,
on this subject, maybe a teaser
or hint should be
made that the current
lame homepage might be overhauled
and redone soon.

Create a wiki, I place a bet that there won't be more than 5 pages with valuable (!) content ever.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:53 pm

Nitram wrote:
Hadrian_Abela wrote:Because the illarion homepage gets updated once every few years?
Feel free to write something useable. I put it in within seconds.

Nitram

http://illarion.org/community/forums/vi ... =chronicle

There are the english grammar corrections for half the chronicals, and the races.

Been rotting there for ages....

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:48 am

Hmm... I've been playing since 2001. It appears that the homepage has been majorly updated what... MAYBE once? In that whole time? The homepage is a good idea for any illa info that might be in the wiki, but if it's only updated once every 6 years then what use is it. Maybe somebody should volunteer to take on the joob of overhauling and keeping the homepage up to date. The can be given permission or whatever they need to change it whenever they need to and if they abuse it, then just fire them. If the homepage is never updated and nobody volunteers to work on it, then I think a wiki would be an excellent solution. To tell the truth, I think the homepage is actually quite misleading and annoying in some parts. Most parts. If I knew HTML code or whatever you need to update webpages then I would volunteer myself to do it, but I dont. On top of that, it would be slower if I did it since I have very little time to spend on anything besides homework. So I think it'd be best if one of these eager and helpful people working on the wiki were able to modify the homepage instead. If that doesnt happen, then I say go ahead with the wiki. Or, even better, you could make the wiki AND update the homepage and add a link to the wiki

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Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:18 pm

I am sure that you don't need any skills in HTML or such to write content for the homepage.

If you have content, contact Nitram or Alatar. I guess a plain text file will do

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:06 am

If I come up with some stuff, I will. The thing is, a lot of the stuff requires inside information to update, such as the info under the development section. It appears that some of it has been updated since the last time I saw it. So maybe that means that updates will become more regular? I guess what I was trying to say is that if tehre isn't already someone who's most important job is keeping the website up to date, then maybe somebody could voluteer for and be given that job. Somebody new so they wouldn't have other illa things to work on like development, etc. I just think it might be more efficient that way. And that way Alatar and Nitram don't need to spend their time renovating the webpage when they would rather be using it to do other stuff like debugging the game or playing the game or doing some other random thing.