Good/Evil/All Between

Mr. Cromwell · Post by **Mr. Cromwell** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:50 pm

We had a nice, friendly topic and now you people managed to turn it into another flamefest.

Seriously. This forum needs a mod who is willing to kick some ass.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:50 pm

Retlak wrote:Bleh i dunno.

Erm..exactly.

Skaalib Drurr · Post by **Skaalib Drurr** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:01 pm

Retlak wrote:I would like to stick my nose in here! A lich, is not evil/!

nonono, a lich is someoe who just explores the nature odf undead or something like that.

Its clearly defined in many siturations (amd games alike) that a lich is neutral, Which is why you may tihnk Retlak is a joke (no offence taken Arist). Thats how i want him played now, not some pking necromancer who kills anyone on site, but someone to add a hint of trouble to the atmoshpere. (Trouble being, anything unusual i guess).

So yeah, i do not give a shit what you say,Leyts make this lich a fun one. Whatever.

also! this game aloows people to play as they want, so why is there even discussion on evil vs good? just have fun kiddies! Bleh i dunno.

A hint of trouble being a horde of mummies?

But I agree wholeheartedly with the final sentiment. So perhaps no major gm quests for a while? See how things pan out without anything major?

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:07 pm

Again:

A lich in illarion is evil, pure evil. playing a lich means to play an evil creature. there is no chance playing a lich who is NOT evil. if you cant accept that, dont play one.

Noone who isnt evil would have done all the evil things nalzaxx did!

That is simply fact.

A lich is one of the strongest creatures of Moshran! The strongest undead creature. There is no logic in such a creature being not evil.

If you start to think like that, than next we have to allow mummies and skeletons being a playable race.

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:10 pm

Nalzaxx had little connection with Moshran. He was not a follower of Chergass, and so technically, was not a Lich.

You were THERE the moment he became undead Patric, it was NOT through selling his soul to anyone. It was through a magical disease.

What Nalzaxx DID was evil, there's no doubt about that, but that doesn't make him evil. Was Othello evil because he slew Desdemona?

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:10 pm

yewaah! What i mean was, Retlak is NOW being played neutral. Before when he raided the town with mummies, that wasd not fun for anyone! maybe me, but thats not what we need. But yeah, one or 2 mummies, you know, something nice and easy, whatever.

by the wat, sorry if i spell abit funny, i had alot of vodka earlier

its quite dizzy. But yeah, i hope you knows what i mean in my posts.

Arien Edhel · Post by **Arien Edhel** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:10 pm

Misjbar wrote:Mister Patric, user of difficult, archaeic english words while not understanding basic english grammar and word-usage, I don't think you should ever do that again.

You shouldn't blame someone who tries to speak a language that's not his mothertongue. That's more that I can say from some others.
And you seem to understand what he means. That's the main-thing.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:13 pm

What Nalzaxx DID was evil, there's no doubt about that, but that doesn't make him evil.

Yes, it does. or why has he done it? because some dark voice told him to? or was it his evil twinbrotherlich?

doing evil things makes you evil. doing evil things on purpose again and again means you are evil. or why else should you do them? you want me to say nalzaxx regreted his doings? that he sat in his rooms and cried about the evil he did? that he had a very bad conscience about it?

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:18 pm

I don't need to explain his motivations to you to prove my point.

But as a matter of fact, yes, he did regret the things he did. Infact, he even admitted it to one character. Just because you do not see the depth to his character, does not mean it was not there.

Gwendolin Cad'ell · Post by **Gwendolin Cad'ell** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:21 pm

Nalzaxx wrote: What Nalzaxx DID was evil, there's no doubt about that, but that doesn't make him evil.

That's exactly what I said to him... we should change topic, because there is no chance we make him understand in what we mean.

Dantagon Marescot · Post by **Dantagon Marescot** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:32 pm

Alright, how about this, what is the definition of evil and what is the definition of good? And don't answer, evil kills people, tries to take over. That isn't nessicarally evil. You can be evil without killing people. Think to some classic bad guys. Not all had to kill someone to be the bad guy.

Cuthalion · Post by **Cuthalion** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:33 pm

Ah.. must say i didnt realy read all this, but..
Could there not be a delay if your char gets clouded? For example you could not play for... 3 hours?
Also, a reason why "evil" never wins, is because even evil behaves to evil. For example, would Hitler have done very well if all he said to his followers was: I like to kill jews! Muhahaha... There realy is no evil. Retlak does not think of himself as evil, I think? A murdererdoesnot see himself as evil.. So don't play "evil" like "good" people look at evil.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:35 pm

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William, shut up please... It's not my fault that your char is a disgrace. You are not even sure how to play him. Maybe you should stop a second and think why the heck there isn't any mage that would agree upon William having magic, IG nor OOC.
We may be friends and all, but some times you really cross the line.

Now back to the topic.
You pleople should really chill and actualy play the game than bitchin over IG stuff.
You should understand that the world is not a GOOD world. It is composed of two worlds : good and evil.
You say that evil should always be destroyed by good cos' evil has a huge impact on the world. Well, that's incomplete.. Evil has a huge impact on the world but only on the 'good' one just like good has a huge impact on the 'evil' one.
So if an evil char can be killed by a good one, why couldn't a good one be killed by an evil one?

Just a few more things:
-As long as there are 'good' chars, there will always be 'evil' as well.
-As long as there are cities like Trolls Bane to support and defend 'good' and 'neutral' chars, there will always be Occulte.
-As long as you keep returning from the cross, we shall do this as well.

Over and out.

Marius

Cuthalion · Post by **Cuthalion** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:37 pm

Dantagon Marescot wrote:Alright, how about this, what is the definition of evil and what is the definition of good? And don't answer, evil kills people, tries to take over.

Yes, please answer. Somone give a good definition of evil. In real world, there is no evil. Evil is somthing that comes from religion, and satan, but try give a good definition of it...

Skaalib Drurr · Post by **Skaalib Drurr** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:39 pm

In my opinion, a evil person is someone who takes pleasure in causing pain and suffering to others.

Cuthalion · Post by **Cuthalion** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Not bad definion, but then he is doing what feels right for him. He is doing what he thinks is right. He is probably also mad. Can you for example punish somone mad, who does what he thinks is right? Also, we humans kill animals, and eat them. We take pleasure, from killing them. Then are all humans evil?

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:55 pm

Good and evil are pretty much human concepts..

An evil person woiuldn't call himself evil...

unless he's stupid

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:59 pm

Avalyon el'Hattarr wrote:William, shut up please... It's not my fault that your char is a disgrace. You are not even sure how to play him. Maybe you should stop a second and think why the heck there isn't any mage that would agree upon William having magic, IG nor OOC.
We may be friends and all, but some times you really cross the line.

"You are not even sure how to play him."

Right, because my character isn't all black and white and has many emotions driving him means I don't know how to play him. Makes sense. Now you're seeming like a hell of a lot of a hypocrite, having told Patric that he shouldn't tell people how to change play their characters.

"Maybe you should stop a second and think why the heck there isn't any mage that would agree upon William having magic, IG nor OOC."

Mhm? Is that so? Well that's news to me; maybe you should try speaking to Rowan and his character.

EDIT: In fact, I'll remove that whole last paragraph because I'm not even gonna waste my time on it, and you'll only flame in response anyway.

Retlak · Post by **Retlak** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:03 pm

Well..

In the whole many many months of samantha (or gms) running a magic academy, Hardly anyone got runes. Only good roleplayers.

as soon as djironyma takes over... Many people get runes all of a sudden, including Elderberry, without really roleplaying for them etc.

Sorry man, but its just really funny. I think there is something dodgy.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:04 pm

Retlak wrote:Well..

In the whole many many months of samantha (or gms) running a magic academy, Hardly anyone got runes. Only good roleplayers.

as soon as djironyma takes over... Many people get runes all of a sudden, including Elderberry, without really roleplaying for them etc.

Sorry man, but its just really funny. I think there is something dodgy.

They got a basic illusion.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:04 pm

In fact, I'll remove that whole last paragraph because I'm not even gonna waste my time on it, and you'll only flame in response anyway.

Nope.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:05 pm

You didn't read the last paragraph. Had you read it, you would have flamed. If it had been directed at me, I'd have flamed too.

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:06 pm

Alright children. Calm down.

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:12 pm

Well..

In the whole many many months of samantha (or gms) running a magic academy, Hardly anyone got runes. Only good roleplayers.

as soon as djironyma takes over... Many people get runes all of a sudden, including Elderberry, without really roleplaying for them etc.

Sorry man, but its just really funny. I think there is something dodgy.

Thats because no single magechar was able to teach runes since the teaching system is a pile of shit. i talked with nitram and he agreed on making a teaching room in the academy in which any teacher my teach runes, even without having 80 % in every magic skill. i waited with samantha for that room to be finished, so that i can open the academy again. nitram waited very long and told me he finds no time for the room. two days after djironnyma took over the academy and threw samantha out nitram finished the room for him and he was able to teach runes to others. what i wasnt able to with samantha.

Alkuurg · Post by **Alkuurg** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:19 pm

Evil characters are needed, with or without quests

Cuthalion · Post by **Cuthalion** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:29 pm

How come Meryadeles is the most powerfull mage ingame anyway?
I mean, she not rp'ed badly, but far from the best...? Who decides who get magic?

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:33 pm

thats a topic for magic discussion thread, move it up there and stay on the topic at hand, or we'll get another lock

Cuthalion · Post by **Cuthalion** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:34 pm

We are already off topic...

Samantha Meryadeles · Post by **Samantha Meryadeles** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:54 pm

How come Meryadeles is the most powerfull mage ingame anyway?

she is as powerfull as sideon vilarion and damien. and that because she is the only one of those who got magic back in the first academy who stayed ingame the whole time.

i know for example that others are far better than her in damage spells. like meriel pelith.

Rasteel Olin · Post by **Rasteel Olin** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:06 pm

Meriel Pelith owns all.