Dear GMs

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:39 pm

I would like my question answered, again, since it got locked the last time for no apparent reason.

Considering that I present a case, in both this and the last thread that got locked, that Sam's past history isn't enough to warrant a permanent ban for his current crime. As another example, Japheth, another former GM, cited that he would have only banned Sam for a number of weeks.

Is the staff above defending their position when confronted about it both by a large number of players and a couple former staff members who can say they've had experience in the punishment of players?

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:42 pm

aristeus,

please give the blade a twist, before you draw it out again!

ok, being one of the last plyers, who had to write his story, before being admitted, i dont know of before the opening.
but i experienced the friendly behaviour of the oldtimers to noobs.

but, what you basicly are complaining about is not roleplay, it seems to me. it could be remedied with a newbie island.

edit:

aegol,

did not you promise, to abstain from posting for a while?
you sound so pathetic

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:48 pm

Korm Kormsen wrote:aristeus,

please give the blade a twist, before you draw it out again!

ok, being one of the last plyers, who had to write his story, before being admitted, i dont know of before the opening.
but i experienced the friendly behaviour of the oldtimers to noobs.

but, what you basicly are complaining about is not roleplay, it seems to me. it could be remedied with a newbie island.

It's no use taking an innoculation after the virus has already infected. We may be able to stop the newer n00bs but already it's a 25:1 ratio of noobs:good rp'ers. And these noobs would take the other noobs and show them the great art of powergaming.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:52 pm

it's a 25:1 ratio of noobs:good rp'ers.

put the ratio to 50:1....

or write noobs:old Roleplayers

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:52 pm

There are better games to powergame, you are overreacting.

There also are powergamers that are well known and accepted.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:03 pm

Korm Kormsen wrote:
it's a 25:1 ratio of noobs:good rp'ers.
put the ratio to 50:1....

or write noobs:old Roleplayers

Fine 50 noobs to 1 good roleplayer. Sounds about right.

@Ewok: Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

Ascius · Post by **Ascius** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:12 pm

WickedEwok wrote:There are better games to powergame, you are overreacting.

There also are powergamers that are well known and accepted.

True, powergaming is not the problem and will probably never be. The problem appears to be a lack of intelligence and behaviour most times.

abcfantasy · Post by **abcfantasy** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:14 pm

a problem with new people not reading the rules well...or not reading the rules at all

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:14 pm

Ascius wrote:
WickedEwok wrote:There are better games to powergame, you are overreacting.

There also are powergamers that are well known and accepted.
True, powergaming is not the problem and will probably never be. The problem appears to be a lack of intelligence and behaviour most times.

Powergaming is actually indirectly a huge problem.

Why do you think there's noone around to rp with? They're all out powergaming! And they'll never learn to rp because its all they've ever known. They don't hang around long enough to experiance even shoddy rp as they're all out pg'ing.

Matholamew Dunsinane · Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:17 pm

Korm Kormsen wrote: edit:

aegol,

did not you promise, to abstain from posting for a while?
you sound so pathetic

Just lock the damn thread...I only added the little one liners because I didn't want to get so goddamned frustrated and throw my computer...but everyone had a field day with it... Korm, grow up in the years you have left. Aegohl made a good point and you have been 16 for so many years that you can't see it. Stop kissing ass.

The only reason I returned was to see a reply to Aegohls original post. Nothing more. If you cant give it, LOCK IT. You are using it to piss off people who do RP. I never had posted on the forum, because of this flaming bullshit. I played the game, had some fun, and maybe read quote of the day, my guild, and the RPG forum. I ask one question, and I get called "Pure poison". I try to be light-hearted about it, and I get labled. GODDAMN.

Fine, Sam answered the original question. If someone could reply to what Aegohl has said without insulting him, that would be appreciated. After that, this thread is useless.

~Matt, aka pure poison~
(hey, I kinda like that nickname...Thanks Korm!~

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:21 pm

alex,

so you advocate, the noobs should stay in TB, and wait to be mugged by experienced roleplayers?

(only one of the five chars, i had till now, made it out of TB without being robbed or killed by an older player's char)

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:21 pm

Heh... it's funny because you sound like a spoiled brat.

Post by **Nitram** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:24 pm

Aegohl wrote:I would like my question answered, again, since it got locked the last time for no apparent reason.

I will try to answer it this time.

Aegohl wrote:Considering that I present a case, in both this and the last thread that got locked, that Sam's past history isn't enough to warrant a permanent ban for his current crime. As another example, Japheth, another former GM, cited that he would have only banned Sam for a number of weeks.

This is your personal opinion. You have one and all others have an opinion about this too. In those cases, like the banning of Sam all GMs discuss the case and say their opinion about the needed punishment. I'm sure you remember the way it goes.
In this discussion 2 gms casted their vote for a ban of a serval weeks, as you and Japeth would have done. And all others, i think there where 6 other voices, voted for an permanent banning.

The there are a few reasons for this hard punishment. First off, his latest miss step, the spreading of the character names of a staff member. That was... call it the trigger.

We said, that Sam got allready his second chance, and annoyed while he played a real load of players and gamemasters. While second chances the punishments are allways a way stricter then the punishments to other players. Illarion is a game. And we all play games because they are fun. If some players think that they have to annoy other players constandly, they have to leave the game sooner or later to keep the fun in the game. Its of course no reason to bann someone, but those happenings make the punishments after all stricter. Different rulebreaks, that where registred, but never punished ( rule breaks against the rules: 1,2,3,7,8,9 ). All this came together now. He played long while his second chance and he messed up alot.
The fooling around with the gamemaster who got him out, at the very end, was the peak of the whole happenings.

Mainly these are the reasons the gms made this desicion. Sam is banned permanently and this desicion is final.

I hope i was able to answer you question

Nitram

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:37 pm

Aristeaus is one of those nubs who overreacts to the account system removal, the truth is it isn't that bad at all. Most people who could be considered problematic are taken care of quickly (removing those with bad names, or !GMing ctrl-click noobs), and it really is a tiny hassle for a game that still enforces RP, and will continue to do so. If all these horrible noobs (I still havent seen that many of them, even when I was more active in the fall) are such a problem for you, you can try RPing in the middle of a town in Tibia and see what a REAL hassle is. Blaming the account system removal on everything is just crap

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:39 pm

Fooser wrote:Aristeaus is one of those nubs who overreacts to the account system removal, the truth is it isn't that bad at all. Most people who could be considered problematic are taken care of quickly (removing those with bad names, or !GMing ctrl-click noobs), and it really is a tiny hassle for a game that still enforces RP, and will continue to do so. If all these horrible noobs (I still havent seen that many of them, even when I was more active in the fall) are such a problem for you, you can try RPing in the middle of a town in Tibia and see what a REAL hassle is. Blaming the account system removal on everything is just crap

But this is supposedly a purely rp game. I think really the fall was the client change. Fancy graphics attract n00bs.

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:41 pm

Yes it is a pure RP game, just like it was during the account system. And even with the account system, there were distractions that got through, no different than now.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:42 pm

I still think we should just add an automated account system in which we need to answer some questions about RP, basic commands, ooc and such, and we are refused if we fail. It would be fairly easy to do I believe and would only filther the retarded n00bs (A LOT less PKing n00bs would be ig), why not?

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:43 pm

Korm, grow up in the years you have left.

no. i'm too old for growing up by now.

Aegohl made a good point

as far as i know, he does not play anymore.
so, ask yourself, why he is posting his stuff?

Stop kissing ass.

i can't anyhow. they all shy away, when my beards tickles them.

(hey, I kinda like that nickname...Thanks Korm!~

you are wellcome. - if you need a new one, just post another charming question....

korm
PS: happy new year!

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:44 pm

Nitram wrote:( rule breaks against the rules: 1,2,3,7,8,9 )

Don't forget rule 16 in Eliza's shop >_>

Matholamew Dunsinane · Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:51 pm

Thank you for that Nitram. That is all I wanted.

~Good Day to you all~

WickedEwok · Post by **WickedEwok** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:58 pm

pure rp?

i wouldn't wnat to play a rp only game
crafting belongs to it and there's nothing wrong about it

Matholamew Dunsinane · Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:00 pm

WickedEwok wrote:pure rp?

i wouldn't wnat to play a rp only game
crafting belongs to it and there's nothing wrong about it

But crafting should add to the roleplay, not take away from it.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:03 pm

Matholamew Dunsinane wrote:
WickedEwok wrote:pure rp?

i wouldn't wnat to play a rp only game
crafting belongs to it and there's nothing wrong about it

But crafting should add to the roleplay, not take away from it.

That's the first point you've made that I agree with.

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:08 pm

i tried some different ways to roleplay.

if one wants pure roleplay, there is, imho, only one option make it a small group, and make it striktly P&P.

even a try, to have certain working acts made clickable in a browsergame did hurt the roleplay.

i am participating in one roleplay, that earns that name. besides posts, we only use some pictures, maps and scetched scenes.

you go engine, you leave pure RP. that simple.

and a happy new year (alex will know, exactly when)

Matholamew Dunsinane · Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:46 pm

Korm Kormsen wrote:i tried some different ways to roleplay.

if one wants pure roleplay, there is, imho, only one option make it a small group, and make it striktly P&P.

even a try, to have certain working acts made clickable in a browsergame did hurt the roleplay.

i am participating in one roleplay, that earns that name. besides posts, we only use some pictures, maps and scetched scenes.

you go engine, you leave pure RP. that simple.

and a happy new year (alex will know, exactly when)

While with certain people, this is true...there are people who use avatars to enhance their RPing...walking away, turning away in convos...Alot of that is lost in text based because someone can just assume they are light speed and "run away into the darkness"...In this game, you have to do it.

But then there are people who do abuse it

#me shrugs

It's a give and take.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:14 pm

APPEAL TO THE 'EXPERIENCED' ROLEPLAYERS

You have 5 character slots.... free one up, and create a character, who';s only use is to Roleplay. He won't ever skill up, and will only do rpish things.

I'm going to do this myself. Lets see if we can boost RP up instead of just complaining.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:17 pm

Hadrian_Abela wrote:APPEAL TO THE 'EXPERIENCED' ROLEPLAYERS

You have 5 character slots.... free one up, and create a character, who';s only use is to Roleplay. He won't ever skill up, and will only do rpish things.

I'm going to do this myself. Lets see if we can boost RP up instead of just complaining.

I already have 5 of them.

Lrmy · Post by **Lrmy** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:30 pm

Aristeaus wrote:
Matholamew Dunsinane wrote:
Lrmy wrote:Korwin, this is on the homepage. To answer your question....
Oh yeah did I mention...pwnt.
Dear Staff,

ZING
You obnoxious little turd, they try to please the players yes, but in whole its not your game, it is thier game. They make mistakes yes. but i think you and others think you own the staff.

At first my view was with sams, thinking he was badly treated, but now youve all made me turn view against yours by the childish, immateaur. ungreatfull and moronic attitude to the game, and the staff and to the players who do not fit into your little cliche. So please go and stuff yourselfs

I know this isen't my game. I never once have ever thought somehting close to this. I simply was getting at the point that alot of people were saying some devs/gm don't seem to realize this game is for the players and that they are given a privlige. I also think the majority of the comunnity thinks Sam should infact not be perm banned for what he did and has done. The ones that think he should seem to have no valid argument. So yes, it is in the communitys best intrest not to ban him and to have a good role player back.

What the hell is wrong with the people making person attacks? Grow up.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:32 pm

I have to agree entirely with Lrmy

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:34 pm

I agree.