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Dwarftown Built. / Dwarftown Hat Gebaut.

Post by Lihtner Gragglefoot »

many dwarfs are a bit curious on who may enter silverbrand - all races, or just dwarfs? I wish to clear this up for those dwarfs who wonder.
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Sind viele Zwerge ein Bit das neugierig ist auf dem silverbrand kann eintragen - alle Rennen, oder nur Zwerge? Ich wünsche, dies auf für die Zwerge zu reinigen, die sich wundern.
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Post by Serpardum »

It is my understanding that the policy was going to be that dwarfs were always welcome, and other races on invitation.

I'm not sure how that will be enforced, if at all, however. I believe this would be a question best suited for Tialdin.
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Post by Lihtner Gragglefoot »

ATTENTION ALL DWARFS: Beware of killer orcs who enter silverbrand! king tialdin is asked to do something.
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AUFMERKSAMKEIT ALLE ZWERGE: Vorsicht für Mörder orcs, der das Gebiet einträgt! König tialdin ist gebeten, etwas gemacht zu werden.
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Post by Serpardum »

And, luckily, those were NPC dwarfs he killed we had put down there for atmosphere <g>
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Post by Lihtner Gragglefoot »

yes serpardum, but remember the REAL dwarf down in silverbrand. :)
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Ja serpardum, aber sich an den WIRKLICHEN Zwerg erinnert dort unten. :)
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Post by Serpardum »

Well, I understand there was a "real" dwarf down there at the time too...
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Post by Bombor »

There seem to be a lot of uncertainties regarding the Dwarftown "Siberbrand".
NO decisions as yet have been made as to whether only dwarfs are to be allowed entrance to the town.
As for now I would believe it only fair for ALL Races to enter and view the procedings of the town.
In future once the town has been completed, Guards may be set up whist a DWARVEN meeting is in progress.
If further Questions arise, you may wish to place them on the Board from dwarftown (that's what i develped it for).
For those who still do not know how to get there, follow this path...
http://www.dwarftown.de.vu
Whilst I'm here I would also like to thank once again All the people who have contributed financially and otherwise to the town. :D

Bombor : Co founder of Dwarftown.

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Es scheint sehr viel Ungewissheit zu geben in Bezug der Zwergenstadt "Silverbrand".
KEINE Endscheidung wurde bisslang gemacht ob nur Zwege in der Stadt dürfen.
Vor erstmal würde ich sagen das ALLE Rassen Zutritt gewähren um sich erst mal umzuschauen.
In Zukunft werden möglicherweise Wachen aufgestellt während eine ZWERGEN Besprechung im gange ist.
Bei weiteren Fragen wäre es nicht schlecht wenn Ihr Euch an das Zwergenstadt Board wendet (dafür habe ich es in der programierung mit einbezogen).
Für die Jenigen die immer noch nicht wissen wie mann da hin kommt folge diesen Pfad....
http://www.dwarftown.de.vu
Wärent ich grade dabei bin, möcht ich mich nochmals herzlich bei ALLE die uns financiell und auf andere weise geholfen haben die Stadt aufzubauen. :D

Bombor: mit wirkender der Zwergenstad.
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Post by Tialdin »

Die Zwergenstadt wird in gewisser weise offen für alle sein, solange es keine Türen gibt kann das ohnehin niemand einschränken.

Allerdings werden die "Zwerge von Silberbrand" die Stadt als ihr Eigentum betrachten, da sie sie im Schweiße ihres Angesichts aus dem Stein gebrochen haben werden.

Wer sich also unbefugt dort herumtreibt sollte mit ärgerlichen Blicken und Bemerkungen rechnen und bei ungebührlichem Verhalten auch mit ziemlichem ärger, denn wer die Zwergenstadt betritt unterwirft sich damit der örtlichen Gerichtsbarkeit.

Wer allerdings um Einlass bittet oder von einem Zwerg eingeladen wurde kann sich in der Stadt frei bewegen. Es währe allerdings von Vorteil in Begleitung des Zwerges zu sein der den Eintritt erlaubt hat.

Sollte es irgendwann mal eine Tür geben, was ich hoffe, die die Zwerge von Silberbrand öffnen und schließen können. Währe ein unberechtigter Zutritt weitestgehend ausgeschlossen. Ein betreten der Zwergenstadt währe dann nur noch in Begleitung eines Zwerges möglich.

Da wir Zwerge allerdings auch stolz sind auf das was wir schaffen, wollen wirs auch rumzeigen, ergo werden wohl die meisten die Stadt sehen können und Tage der offenen Tür wirds dann auch geben.

Außerdem sind wir ein Gesellige Völkchen und mögen nette Gesellschaft und unsere Feste kommen ohne Gäste nicht aus.

Wer also die Zwergenstadt besucht sollte sich als Gast betrachten und auch dementsprechend auftreten.

Wer lässt schon gerne Leute in sein Haus die alles kaputtmachen oder unflätige Beleidigungen ausstoßen.

(könnte das bitte jemand übersetzen?)
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Post by Adano Eles »

Translation of Tialdins post:

Dwarf town will be, in a certain way, open for everyone. As long as there are no doors, there is no way around this anyway.

But the "Dwarves of Silverbrand" will see the town as their property, because they dug it from the rock with their own hands.

Everyone who is there without permssion can get angry view and comments, and even a lot of problems, if he misbehaves, because who enters dwarf town has to obey the local justice.

But if you ask for permission to enter or are invited by a dwarf, you can walk around freely. But it might be good to be accompanied by the dwarf who granted the permission.

If there will be doors, which I hope, that can be opened and closed by the silverbrand dwarves, then unpermitted entry will be mostly impossible.

Entering the dwarf town will then only be possible in a dwarfs company.

But because we dwarves are also proud of what we created and want to show it off, so most people will be able to see it and there will also be "days of the open door".

We are also very social people, we like nice company and our parties need guests.

Who wants to visit dwarf town should see himself as a visitor and behave like this.

Nobody likes it when someone come into his house to destroy everything and insult the owner.
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Post by Faramier »

I think if you were to make a city 'just for the dwarfs' you would have to make one just for the elves and just for the humans etc, also it might bring up some tension between races with could develop into a war, although besieging a city would be quite fun, it would cause a lot of complications and I feel in the long run the dwarf's would be less well off.

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Post by Serpardum »

Well, yes, eventually there will be cities "just for humans", "Just for elves" etc...
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Post by Armil Darken »

I think the city should be open for everyone that acts apprioatly and there might be a marketplace open freely at the entrance and an item to prove that you are welcome that costs about 5 silver bars (( whitch would go to the expansion and improvement of the town)) and could be revoked if the person acts inapprioatly.
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what abou the people who donated for the construction? will they be able to go in and out freely to?
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Post by Armil Darken »

Yes donaters would get in free because they would be trusted and friends of the dwarves
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Post by Tialdin »

Ich möchte mal was dazu sagen das einige sich beschweren, dass es wenn es eine Zwergenstadt gibt es ja auch Elfenstädte etc geben müsste.

Die Zwerge haben die Zwergenstadt SELBST gebaut, nichts spricht dagegen das die Elfen und anderen das auch tun.

Wovon ich allerdings gar nichts halten würde wäre, das von Programmierer Seite einfach weiterw Städte irgendwo hingestellt werden.

Dies wäre

1. unfair gegenüber denen die sich angestrengt haben etwas eigenes aufzubauen.

2. Unlogisch weil sie aus dem Boden plöppen würden ohne das es jemand wirklich gebaut hat.

Wer also neidisch auf die Zwerge ist das sie ne eigenen Stadt haben, der sollte sich bemühen für sein Volk ebenfalls eine zu bauen.

(könnte das bitte wieder jamend übersetzten?)
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Post by Bumbol Woodstock »

can someone please translate what he said... i am interested in this.
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Post by Serpardum »

Basically what Tialdin seems to be saying is:

He has no problems with elven, human cities being built and all, but it would be unfair if they were not paid for like the dwarven city is.

Which I tend to agree with.

There are other aspects of the Dwarven city I am unsure of and uncomfortable with personally.

Chiefly being, since this was built by a group of dwarfs, that means that this group of dwarfs own the city and not all dwarfs.

Is that in itself fair?
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Post by Bumbol Woodstock »

i think having elf towns, human towns is a good idea. But dont for get the halfing town. Also, everytown should go along with the race, so a hobbit town would probably small, and fields, hobbit holes. My point is, a hobbit town would be very different from a dwarf town.
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Post by Xerake »

As a lizard, I believe building a lizard-city would be the most difficult. It would probably be more expensive in ingots (considering that a whole new terrain for underwater has to be made for a proper environment) and there aren't that many lizards on the surface world as it is.

Also, it would be rather difficult because lizards have to find the proper place in the water to enter, and it wouldn't be possible for other races to enter the city. If somebody of a different race wouldn't drown first, they would probably be flogged by guards due to the lizard's quiet and isolated nature.

Anyway, I think it would be a better idea if I could make enough ingots and Roshi would help contribute somehow. But, this is probably going to happen in the very distant future.
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Post by Armil Darken »

The fact that the contributers built the city does not mean that they own it.
When you contribute to a public building you don't own a part of it.
But the contributers should be probablu the ruling group of the city.

I belive that all races should be able to visit each others cities for the most part but only if they have permission or other forms of proof that they are trusted, but for right now I think both cities should be open because the lack of cities for each race.
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Post by Damien »

Those who build a PRIVATE building, own it. Those who build a building for public STILL own it - it's just open for public.
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Post by Casermir »

Ich will ja auch in eine Stadt doch ich hab weder Wissen noch Zeit um das selbst zu machen.

I cant make that too but i have no time and no imoknowledge(!?!?) fot this.
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Post by Armil Darken »

No, Daimen, a public building is owned by nobody or a goverment.
You can have a privately owned building open to the public. As the owners of the library have it. Havent you ever heard of donated buildings. I have a library near me that was built by this ritch guy and he donated it as a public building and the local goverment mantains and oferates it and it is their choice not the donaters tho add on and change the building. I am not saying the people that built the city should have no say anymore but that they should become the towns goverment and officials and decide themselves what to do.
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Post by Gandela »

We, (http://www.dwarftown.de.vu), have build/pay the dwarftown. That is our privat building. And we open it only for public, it isnt a public building.

btw: Damien is on of the peopel how build the libery...
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Post by Galim »

the dwarventown isn't a public city, it is privat. the dwarves have paid for it and they owned it. i really don't know why other people don't realize this fact.
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Post by Dyluck »

@Armil Darken: The library and dwarftown aren't donated to the public. They're not public buildings. They're just open to the public that's all.
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Post by Roke »

In my oppinion whoever owns the building have the right to choose whom they can admit and whom they don't want to admit, even if the building is a public one.

@ Armil Darken... A public building is not neccesarily owned by the government. For example, an ice hockey arena may be built and payed for entirely by a company. They own that building but it is a public building since the general public is allowed in, in this case they must pay a fee. A Large store, such as Ikea is a public building but may not be owned by the government.
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Post by Bombor »

It's nice to see that our town is creating so much interest.
At first no one believed us and now they are all arguing.
Funny lot these other races.

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Es ist schön zu sehen das unsere Stadt so viel interesse weckt.
Zuerst glaubte uns keiner und nun streiten sich alle.
Komischer haufen diese anderen Rassen.
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Post by Kringin »

A lizard city would look nice on the ocean where you see a shining building to seem as if it were from scales, all you need is swimming abilities and its like a water kigdom or something :)
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Post by Kringin »

Hey all this dwarven town is nice and i donated all my money, but noone ever told me what was the total amount needed to built the whole thing.
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