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You mean being nice as a player would avoid getting attacked ig? Ever heard of the rules concerning ooc and ic?
Okay, maybe I'm taking this completely out of context, but wow.

Patric, have you even been reading this thread? We're playing a game that's supposed to be fun for everyone. In many cases, not attacking ingame when your character would isn't breaking the rules, as you're so fond of harping about, but being a decent and kind player. Maybe no one passed you the memo, but the goal of the game is to have fun, not stick as rigidly as possible to our characters, regardless of who it makes angry.
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Richard Cypher wrote:
Samantha Meryadeles wrote:
Welcome to the world of Illarion!


Illarion is a free graphical fantasy game that focuses on roleplaying. This game is about true roleplaying, not that much about levelling up or hunting monsters
With peoples like Stephen we are forced to concentrate on leveling, pushing our fighter skills, or we have to accept getting beaten by every one who concentrates on skilling his char. That is what the complains are about. For players like Stephen just warriors are important. Just a strong warrior can lead Trollsbane, because he has to be able to defend. Just strong warriors can be in any controlle, because they have to be able to kill things. and so on.
We can't concentrate on playing dwarves in a dwarven city, because there are peoples like Stephen who say "If you can't fight, you are weak and have to accept us forcing anything upon you. It is important to train fighting".
Those who wrote their oponions at the beginning dont play this game to be the most strongest warriors. they play for the roleplay, to play their role as a dwarf. They have not the wish to skill up their fighting skills because there are players like po Stephen forcing them to do so.
You do not need to be an uber warrior to run a town. Greenbriar was run by Dusty, and now by Rumil. I can pwn them with my weakest fighter easily. Still they are the rulers and no one has taken them over. Maybe it is because they are nice unlike certain other players. A little bit of niceness can go a long way to avoid you getting pwned
I think that the "necessity" for a warrior leader in Trollsbane stems from the fact that some villain is trying to take it over ever other week. Something which seldom is the case in Greenbriar or in any other town (except for Silverbrand :wink: ) for that matter I think. If Greenbriar was under such constant assault, I'm rather confident that eventually their rulers would arm themselves as well.

It also seems (from my limited point of view) that the rulers of Trollsbane are usurpers of somekind by default. Hence they attract the unwanted attention of all the "fight the power anarchist" -types as soon as they try to do.. well anything at all. This translates directly into need for some serious defense abilities. :D

When the next horde of undead demon dragons appear, why not have them infest Tol Vanima, Greenbriar or Varshikar in order to spread the damage around? :wink:
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Mr. Cromwell wrote:
Richard Cypher wrote:
Samantha Meryadeles wrote: With peoples like Stephen we are forced to concentrate on leveling, pushing our fighter skills, or we have to accept getting beaten by every one who concentrates on skilling his char. That is what the complains are about. For players like Stephen just warriors are important. Just a strong warrior can lead Trollsbane, because he has to be able to defend. Just strong warriors can be in any controlle, because they have to be able to kill things. and so on.
We can't concentrate on playing dwarves in a dwarven city, because there are peoples like Stephen who say "If you can't fight, you are weak and have to accept us forcing anything upon you. It is important to train fighting".
Those who wrote their oponions at the beginning dont play this game to be the most strongest warriors. they play for the roleplay, to play their role as a dwarf. They have not the wish to skill up their fighting skills because there are players like po Stephen forcing them to do so.
You do not need to be an uber warrior to run a town. Greenbriar was run by Dusty, and now by Rumil. I can pwn them with my weakest fighter easily. Still they are the rulers and no one has taken them over. Maybe it is because they are nice unlike certain other players. A little bit of niceness can go a long way to avoid you getting pwned
I think that the "necessity" for a warrior leader in Trollsbane stems from the fact that some villain is trying to take it over ever other week. Something which seldom is the case in Greenbriar or in any other town (except for Silverbrand :wink: ) for that matter I think. If Greenbriar was under such constant assault, I'm rather confident that eventually their rulers would arm themselves as well.

It also seems (from my limited point of view) that the rulers of Trollsbane are usurpers of somekind by default. Hence they attract the unwanted attention of all the "fight the power anarchist" -types as soon as they try to do.. well anything at all. This translates directly into need for some serious defense abilities. :D

When the next horde of undead demon dragons appear, why not have them infest Tol Vanima, Greenbriar or Varshikar in order to spread the damage around? :wink:
Do you want to know why the ruler of Greenbriar would not have to arm himself? Because he is nice and has friends. Many people have pledged to protect him with their lives because they are fighters and he is not. And by the way the leaders of Varshikar are pretty damn good fighters...well Maggie is and Jeremy is a mage. Also, for Tol Vanima the dragons would not attack there. You need to think more about different forms of storyline rather than just pointing fingers. And the reason why a lot happens to Trolls Bane is because a lot of people go there. Why send something to happen to silverbrand if only dwarves will know about it. Or send something to Zzyathis when only like 6 people inhabit it. See the logic in that?
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Aristeaus, no one would drop money even if you were online because Varshikar is a noob backwater town :wink:
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Richard Cypher wrote:
Mr. Cromwell wrote:
Richard Cypher wrote: You do not need to be an uber warrior to run a town. Greenbriar was run by Dusty, and now by Rumil. I can pwn them with my weakest fighter easily. Still they are the rulers and no one has taken them over. Maybe it is because they are nice unlike certain other players. A little bit of niceness can go a long way to avoid you getting pwned
I think that the "necessity" for a warrior leader in Trollsbane stems from the fact that some villain is trying to take it over ever other week. Something which seldom is the case in Greenbriar or in any other town (except for Silverbrand :wink: ) for that matter I think. If Greenbriar was under such constant assault, I'm rather confident that eventually their rulers would arm themselves as well.

It also seems (from my limited point of view) that the rulers of Trollsbane are usurpers of somekind by default. Hence they attract the unwanted attention of all the "fight the power anarchist" -types as soon as they try to do.. well anything at all. This translates directly into need for some serious defense abilities. :D

When the next horde of undead demon dragons appear, why not have them infest Tol Vanima, Greenbriar or Varshikar in order to spread the damage around? :wink:
Do you want to know why the ruler of Greenbriar would not have to arm himself? Because he is nice and has friends. Many people have pledged to protect him with their lives because they are fighters and he is not. And by the way the leaders of Varshikar are pretty damn good fighters...well Maggie is and Jeremy is a mage. Also, for Tol Vanima the dragons would not attack there. You need to think more about different forms of storyline rather than just pointing fingers. And the reason why a lot happens to Trolls Bane is because a lot of people go there. Why send something to happen to silverbrand if only dwarves will know about it. Or send something to Zzyathis when only like 6 people inhabit it. See the logic in that?
Not really, unless you think that everything should happen with a simple snap of fingers. The enemy can occupy Zzyathis/Silverbrand/Tol Vanima/whatever today and we can organise a quest to re-take it tomorrow or the day after or next week. I'm of course just making assumptions concerning the mindset of your average illarion player, but I'm betting that such event would surely mean that there were significantly more than 6 people attending.

Besides, you didn't really comment on the usurper part at all. You see, when you are ruler of a player made establishment + community, it gives you a lot more room to move around and do your thing than in a community where you have no "legal" right to rule. The "central" town position where you can't really control the inflow/outflow of people nearly as efficiently and where plenty of scumbag troublemaker characters hang around makes this even harder.

While the Rulership of other lands being friendly might make a small diffrence but the main thing is that:
1.) While grabbing the power, you will certainly piss of someone or someone who you have pissed off before decides to take revenge. That's unavoidable.
2.) You will be opposed just for the sake of opposing something. If the ruler does anything, he will be opposed because of that. If he doesnt do anything, you can be damned sure that it will be complained about too. :wink:
3.) When you have no "legal" right to rule, it's possible that someone else has the same idea as you -> danger of coup
4.) The decisions made in the little hamlets are rather insignificant/local for most part.
5.) Only directly involved people actually give a damn about what goes on daily in the smaller playermade establishments. No huge emotions here.
6.) As there is no efficient way for the ruler to extract revenue (see 2.) for the defense / upkeep of the town, chances are that he "is in the trenches" so to speak when the next demon horde attacks.

EDIT: Minor corrections and spelling.
EDIT2: More corrections.
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Patric du bist bescheuert.

Danke dass ich mich so auf dich verlassen kann.
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A simple question. Is it the Character or the Player speaking?
Garret Gwenour wrote: I took steps to see that the active and majority members of the dwarven race stood and decided their fate. it has long been that SIlverbrand is run by an absent king and it's destiny decided by those whom you read only upon these walls but never see around.
Note these posts were submitted before the tavern incident. The animosities started with these words.

Garret Gwenour wrote: Ghorn, whom stands beside you ? Tialdin ? Tirana ? They are around perhaps once a year. It is you whom draws a civil war because you want the throne. Listen to the voice of the dwarves whom matter, the active ones, they want Durgin and not you. It is you who has brought blood to your race now, not Durgin. Through your greed and lies.

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Yes, clearly someone didn't take HIST 563 "Advanced Illarion History and Its Implications on Our Community".
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

lol your so right Cromwell, but i think im a noob, somehow fooser has gotten past all of that :/

Maybe I am still a noob ...

Edit - I dunno, maybe its me but the fact is (and has been proven) that active leadership leads to active towns. And as infact the new rules for buildings involve a level of activity (i believe if a character isnt online for a month they are counted as inactive and all benefits they can give the city/community they are involved in are revoked and even the lands may deterioate). Following this same idea, I can use it ingame, as it was a fact that Tialdin has logged on abotu 4 times in about 3 years yet none of you did anything because none of you cared, except the american dwarves. Now I could tell you that you caused all of them (some 5 or 6 dwarven characters) to quit playing because you (the germans in general) decided to meta game and even had a GM threaten to destroy the town if they did not submit, but strangely they just took it in stride, unfortunately nearly all americans have given up on silverbrand because of this, but well, we don't complain about it do we?
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Garett Gwenour wrote:lol your so right Cromwell, but i think im a noob, somehow fooser has gotten past all of that :/

Maybe I am still a noob ...
He did face opposition, remember? Stephen Rothman and some knights apparently opposed Fooser.. :wink:
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Pfft :P

We helped him a lot more then we tried to vote him out.. our own people who live on our lands voted to keep him in... Stephens greatest public disaster lol.
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Garett Gwenour wrote:lol your so right Cromwell, but i think im a noob, somehow fooser has gotten past all of that :/

Maybe I am still a noob ...

Edit - I dunno, maybe its me but the fact is (and has been proven) that active leadership leads to active towns. And as infact the new rules for buildings involve a level of activity (i believe if a character isnt online for a month they are counted as inactive and all benefits they can give the city/community they are involved in are revoked and even the lands may deterioate). Following this same idea, I can use it ingame, as it was a fact that Tialdin has logged on abotu 4 times in about 3 years yet none of you did anything because none of you cared, except the american dwarves. Now I could tell you that you caused all of them (some 5 or 6 dwarven characters) to quit playing because you (the germans in general) decided to meta game and even had a GM threaten to destroy the town if they did not submit, but strangely they just took it in stride, unfortunately nearly all americans have given up on silverbrand because of this, but well, we don't complain about it do we?
And you asked where you have ever mixed IC and OOC? How would Stephen know Tialdin is inactive? And if you really wanted to help it out wouldn't it be better to do what Thurbert did? Make a Dwarf and get it active, instead of pushing Stephen into the limelight once again?
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Fooser can make anything happen because he walks down the main street of Trollsbane with a fat sibanac blunt in one hand, and an elf female in the other. And thats all I have to say to that.
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I didn't push Stephen into the limelight, there is this silly myth that stephen did the whole dwarven revolt. Stephen was approached by Durgin for protection and guidance in how to do it and so Stephen just had Durgin meet up with varying active dwarves and talk to them about it and it worked. Stephen then, when Durgin had about 3 people with him, told Durgin he wouldn't guide him anymore and so he had to do it all on his own. Stephen only went to Silverbrand that day (which he didn't fight at all ;) ) to see if Durgin could pull it out. Which he originally did, but well, Gms have a nasty habit of changing things.
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It's all about Egos... :-)

PS: Forced to fight sucks.
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Dantagon Marescot wrote:
swish1 wrote:THE WHOLE KNIGHTHOOD DOES NOT RP!
Excuse me. I resent that. And I think many people would agree that my rp is much better than yours. Consitering I have been RPing for over 4 years, even if I have only been on Illa for just a few months.

((Forgive me, I have just got back from work, so I would like my say))

I think Dan mentioned that it takes more than just "l33t skillz" to level in the knighthood. And I will honestly admit that as Dantagon isn't as good of a fighter as Skaalib or Amroth, but ended up reaching squire before them.
I'm a bit confused as you what you are trying to suggest Dantagon. And as for Swish's quote, that is BS. I'm afraid Swish's RP is extremely bad in game at the moment, and of course the only reason Skaalib hasn't reached squire is that he is never around, I being a Brit and all the othe PO's in knighthood being Americans. :wink: But I hope you do not accuse Amroth or I of bad rp? :wink:
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It's not a habit of "changing" things which GMs have - it's the habit of seeing things and reading logs or active player talk, and getting an overall impression of that.
Even with the tools, you can never read everything ever spoken, and you can not look into people's heads (anyhow you get a pretty good view of people's motives usually, but no warrantee for being fail safe).
Anyhow, i would not WANT to look into people's heads ! :P
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Nah, not at all Skaalib. You guys rp pretty well, and so do most of the knighthood. Expecialy watching Dren wander around stupidly last night and you getting very agitated by it. Sure there are better rps overall. But it was well rped and I was half tempted to mention it on the good rp board if not for work. And yeah, Ssafars quote is total BS. I think I have technicaly been rping longer than he has been alive, if you include what crazied stories I made up with friends during first grade in my next door neighbors back yard. Sorry, Senior year, always remembering and steping forward...

And I didn't mean to make it sound like a bad thing that Skaalib isn't a squire yet. More of make the point that great fighting skills isn't everything in the knighthood, though it does help. And you are right, he isn't there yet because he hasn't been on. That and because you are a Brit :wink:

Those brits don't compare to us stupid americans. They even speak a different language, it is called english. Blah, I speak american :P
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I've read about 3 pages of this whole situation, and I personally think it's been blown all out of proportion. As a player who does not have a character in either of the aforementioned groups, I think that as Stephen had proposed some time back, that conflict "rules" or at least proper conflict etiquette for Illarion should be written down and observed, and if a guild or nation declares war on another, all soldiers and leaders of each nation be directed to these proper etiquettes. It should be known that these could and should drastically increase the enjoyment of both parties at war, and we must all also remember that no one behind their characters should make -assumptions- about others. Assumptions get you no where when it comes to this. The problem between the knighthood and the dwarves needs to be adressed between both parties of players oocly before any enjoyment can further between the two in game.

An IRC session should be made, and all of you should keep your cool. I hate seeing such conflicts like this tear two groups apart, and cause each players from both to be at eachother's throats. Let us remember that there will be metagamers, but you should not narrow all aspects of the character's actions down to these dumb accusations right away. I suggest that the lot of you sit down and discuss your differences in IRC or some other chat program, and do so calmly. If you disagree, shut up and listen. This is how a consensus is formed. Be open minded. Well, I hope this post made sense, and hopefully more of you will agree to the idea of "proper fighting ettiquete." The next step would be to devise these so that many, if not all, in the Illarion community agree to them.

Also, remember what roleplay is. You are not your characters. Your characters are not you. Do play to have fun. Do not bring your real life problems into the game. Do not make ooc conflicts reflect in your character's actions. These are all general rules of roleplay, no matter where you go. Keep them in mind, and be open minded about other's opinions, and every thing should be fine. Good luck everyone.
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Richard Cypher wrote:
Caldrion Sternenglanz wrote:and this is the antagonist.

do you see the difference`?

http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/04050601.html
This game rocks I am already at lvl 16...I could play this all day...i know sad right ROFL

Keep em coming Caldrion
Highest I got on this game before I became bored and decided to watch T.V. was lvl 24 and i was half way to lvl. 25. So I can prove my claim here are my stats. AP 263 HP 2487/2487 EXP 60702/70378 Check them if you doubt me! I could attack three times with one attack. The onyl thing left that took me two attacks to take down was this Giant Trol thing with a club. It is like 10 times bigger than your character. Very hard to miss it. Do not go to the bottom left corner of the screen until you are strong unless you want to get pwned. My helpful advice.
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I did not read much of this exept the first page. I would like to say now that all the locks are changed in Silverbrand and my dwarf only has the old key I cannot get in. The dwarves with keys I take it won't play... So can we just open it up untill they decide this is a GAME and and a place to enjoy ourselves. Could a gm make it so any dwarf can go into Silverbrand as it used to be? that way the ones of us that want to still role play our dwarves can do it happily and go on as if though this entire ooc conflict never happened?
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swish1 wrote:Alright, I perfectly agree with the whole thing. Look that day, SSTEPHEN SUCKS WITH RP! WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS! IF HE HAS GOOD SKILLS DOES NOT MEAN HE DOES NOT NEED TO RP! He slashed with NO #ME! And when I told him in OOC he said never! THE WHOLE KNIGHTHOOD DOES NOT RP! I SAY SSTEPHEN GET HIS SKILLS REDUCED BY A LOT! ATLEAST MAKE IT GREEN AND ARAMEH. LOOK THE WHOLE GAME SUCKS WHEN YOU HAVE YELLOW SKILLS. SO PLEASE DROP IT DOWN SO THE DWARVES GET A BREAK. NO OTHER CHARS GIVE PROBLEMS BUT STEPHEN AND ARAMEH... Please drop skills.

And for the person that talked about my LIZARD! LOOK YOUR CHAR DID SOMETHING WITH HIS EYE AND MY LIZARD GO SCARED YA YA ILLUSION MY LIZARD GOT SCARED THATS IT HE DID NOT KNOW A THING ABOUT ILLUSIONS AND ALL...

wtf?... ~ Markous

sry to answer this thread now, thurbert, but Swish take a look at the log:
Taeryon Silberlicht shoots something beyond the lizard, getting closed to his face
Taeryon Silberlicht: [anc] LHOR HEPT
Jemand (255983547) realizes its an illusion
Jemand (255983547) slashes fiercly
Ps: Jemand (255983547) is your lizard
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Post by Samantha Meryadeles »

how about writing thurbert a dove for a meeting so that he can give you the new key?
Why changing whole cripts and whatever instead of sending a simple ingame dove?
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