Forum Avatars / Forum-Avatare

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:19 am

The funny thing is, we shouldn't even stop with the avatars.
The "[img]"-Tag is also a possible threat and makes us open to be sued in the instant the poster is displaying a copyrighted picture.

Are we going to have a pure text forum in the end?

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:24 am

*claps* My my..

Oh, and Don't forget! I've seen these color smilies on the Hamster dance website! What's up with that?! I so see a lawsuit over this.

Galdriel · Post by **Galdriel** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:33 am

Keikan Hiru wrote:The funny thing is, we shouldn't even stop with the avatars.
The "[img]"-Tag is also a possible threat and makes us open to be sued in the instant the poster is displaying a copyrighted picture.

Are we going to have a pure text forum in the end?

Not necessarily, since in this case we do not host the picture, and
in this case propably applies the same rule, as heise "www.heise.de"
was put to law for.
in that case we are responsible from the moment we were informed
of the case (same as criminal and offensive content in postings).

not sure of this though.

also such images will be much harder to spot than avatars, since they occur only once, while avatars appear with every posting.

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:57 am

Samantha Meryadeles wrote:I hate that all. Now we have to show pics of our chars in secret, as if we would trade drugs

Whatever, I explain it one last time:
It's not YOU being sued (as implied by your avatar), it is US!

Martin

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:11 am

Aegohl wrote:And it's illegal to be a Nazi in Germany? That sounds like thoughtcrime, to me. Welcome to Engsoc.

Law is rather restrictive concerning that in Austria and Germany (for, I believe, understandable reasons).

You can think whatever you want, noone can sue you.

However, there is the "Verbotsgesetz" (meaning something like "prohibition law", just that it's not about alcohol

) which basically says:
1) The NSDAP (Hitler's Nazi-party) and all organizations that were linked with it do not exist any longer; refounding them is forbidden.
2) "Wiederbetaetigungsgesetz": (Something like "do it again law", which is my personal translation

):
* It is forbidden to found or support any Nazi-organization
* It is forbidden to call for doing something forbidden or glamorize the Nazi-regime in public
* It is forbidden to deny the Nazi-crimes in public

We can discuss advantages and disadvantages on the OT-forum or in ICQ if you want to.

Martin

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:13 am

We have something likewise with the NSB.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:02 pm

Stupid questions:

The server is located in austria, thus, does austrian law hold? Or does german law hold due to the fact that Illarion e.V. is a german society? (I doubt there are any differences, though)

What about "linked" avatars, pictures that are not stored on the Illarion server but just displayed on the Illarion pages?

smile all abmahnwütige Dreckswinkeladvokaten!

Meriel Pelith · Post by **Meriel Pelith** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:05 pm

Another suggestion I would make:

If you find any picture on any site (like Deviantart for example) Then write the artist a message/e-mail and ask if you are allowed to use that avatar on the forum or for the game.

I'm sure some of them will give you the permission

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:15 pm

Estralis Seborian wrote:The server is located in austria, thus, does austrian law hold?

I would think so, however, it does not make any difference.

What about "linked" avatars, pictures that are not stored on the Illarion server but just displayed on the Illarion pages?

Personally I don't think that it makes any difference at all. Linking an image means displaying it on your website.

Martin

Irania · Post by **Irania** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:06 pm

Meriel Pelith wrote:Another suggestion I would make:

If you find any picture on any site (like Deviantart for example) Then write the artist a message/e-mail and ask if you are allowed to use that avatar on the forum or for the game.

I'm sure some of them will give you the permission

Actually most would most likely say yes as long as there is a link to whomever is the actual artist on the avatar. However the avatars here are rather small and can't really contain anything like that.

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:31 pm

Another simple solution: Take an avatar out of a painting whose artist died more than 70 years ago. In that case the german copyright-law does not grip.

Any idea from where I took mine?

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:46 pm

looks like Van Gogh to me ...

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:51 pm

Aurora wrote:looks like Van Gogh to me ...

Absolutely not!

Martin

Meriel Pelith · Post by **Meriel Pelith** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:55 pm

Irania wrote: Actually most would most likely say yes as long as there is a link to whomever is the actual artist on the avatar. However the avatars here are rather small and can't really contain anything like that.

In the char description on the onlinelist you can do that.
^^

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:24 pm

Aurora wrote:looks like Van Gogh to me ...

not really

wrong century!

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:34 pm

I want to know it now, before I waste another hour searching it.

Martin

Korm Kormsen · Post by **Korm Kormsen** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:39 pm

Breugel?

Falk vom Wald · Post by **Falk vom Wald** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:31 pm

Korm Kormsen wrote:Breugel?

Good idea, not very far away...

Alatar · Post by **Alatar** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:47 pm

Falk vom Wald wrote:Another simple solution: Take an avatar out of a painting whose artist died more than 70 years ago. In that case the german copyright-law does not grip.

Any idea from where I took mine?

Great idea

Devrah Liioness · Post by **Devrah Liioness** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:28 am

Cain Freemont wrote:Copyrights must be visible on whatever the product/piece/work is, otherwise there is no way to trace a copyright infringement. Therefore, don't steal someone's work if it has "XXX (c) year XXXX."

Just for the record, are avatars with no visible copyright okay?

Cliu Beothach · Post by **Cliu Beothach** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:34 am

Cain Freemont wrote:Copyrights must be visible on whatever the product/piece/work is, otherwise there is no way to trace a copyright infringement. Therefore, don't steal someone's work if it has "XXX (c) year XXXX."

http://www.copyright.gov/ wrote:When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

Devrah Liioness · Post by **Devrah Liioness** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:35 am

*nods* Thanks, Cliu.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:28 am

Cliu Beothach wrote:
Cain Freemont wrote:Copyrights must be visible on whatever the product/piece/work is, otherwise there is no way to trace a copyright infringement. Therefore, don't steal someone's work if it has "XXX (c) year XXXX."

http://www.copyright.gov/ wrote:When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

Pointless. US-laws do not hold here.

Check out:

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/index.html

or

Verdammt langer Link

Edit: Aye aye

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:59 am

http://kurl.de/

Bitte!!!

Martin

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:12 pm

That doesn't help the yanks among us. I'm sure, however, that the laws are similar enough between the two nations that the quote was helpful enough.

Liles · Post by **Liles** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:47 pm

Done. No copyright troubles for me.

Kevin Lightdot · Post by **Kevin Lightdot** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:53 pm

Woah, that's art Liles!

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:31 pm

I've forgotten which avatar I have...Ahh that one.

Post by **Estralis Seborian** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:28 pm

Juhu, I finally found out that my avatar is the front cover of the novel "Stone of Farewell" by Tad Williams. Can't name the artist, though.

*Removed due to risk of suezorzing*