Reaction to GM messages / Situations

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:47 am

Ingame, there might happen different Situations which influence your character. In Example, you could step on a small snake and other things which are displayed by text messages only.

These small situations are thought simply for RPing. With these Situations, a GM will commonly be involved who hears everything you say, so you can communicate with the GM at the same time.

These small things might even be hookups for small quests etc.

All of these are usually done in a way that it is not intended to make your character die, this happens only if you act stupid or ignore the messages.
But it CAN happen in commonly rare cases.

So, if your hitpoints decrease by such things, stop, think, and emote. In some cases, interact / emote with other players.

J S · Post by **J S** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:05 am

Yup! Like once my char "accidently" almost burnt all of Troll's Bane by laying a few campfires everywhere, it was fun to see the cart burn, some trees, my char grabbing buckets and splashing around, and Grant, instead of helping, following me around going
"You stupid boy"
"You fool"
"Put the fire down hurry!"
"WHat an idiot!"
-.- Grant <3

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:36 am

So, Damien, you determine whats good roleplay and if we don't acheive that good roleplay you have the option to cloud our characters? Funny, I would have that an uber evil lich like Drahken sitting in a relaxed manner summoning demons and throwing molotov cocktails at the castle of the grey rose as bad roleplay. I hope i don't get pked!

Thorvald · Post by **Thorvald** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:55 am

I would like to add following:

GMs are not perfect or free of failure.

If it happens that you feel entirely unfairly treated, don't hesitate to write an e-mail to: gm_abuse@illarion.org

~

Ich möchte da noch folgendes hinzufügen:

GMs sind nicht perfekt oder frei von Fehler.

Wenn etwas passiert bei dem ihr euch absolut unfair behandelt gefühlt habt, zögert nicht eine E-mail and: gm_abuse@illarion.org zu schreiben.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:50 am

Damien, you know that what you did yesterday to my char, was plain stupid and unfair.. I'm sorry, but this is what it was

Aristeaus · Post by **Aristeaus** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:01 pm

Garett Gwenour wrote:So, Damien, you determine whats good roleplay and if we don't acheive that good roleplay you have the option to cloud our characters? Funny, I would have that an uber evil lich like Drahken sitting in a relaxed manner summoning demons and throwing molotov cocktails at the castle of the grey rose as bad roleplay. I hope i don't get pked!

Be nice the GM's are trying to create nice situations which make the mundane norm something which could hold a hint off interest.

Edit : Just heard what you did to Ava Damien, not on ol boy, plain wrong infact.

Nalzaxx should stand next to your character next time aye?

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:22 pm

Yeah? like killing my char for no reason other than "my pure elven blood is hurt by the lich's evil aura?" (my elven char is a temple member)
He didn't even read my char's story to see why he became twisted in the first place.
Every creature has free will left there by it's creator.. The creature itself must decide what road shall it take.. If a feary or an elf wants to be evil, and they have a very good reason to do so, then why should they be punished for this?
Now Damien will say: "i killed your char because you ignored my messages"
My response: 1. Nalzaxx was really in a hurry -he is now out of town for 3 days
2. The messages were silly and unfair

Thurbert~ · Post by **Thurbert~** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:54 pm

Gm's are the only "players" that may use force RP to get your characters into situations they wouldn't normally be in.

That is usually called a quest.

On another note, this happened to me once aswell.
I was mining on a character when out of nowhere, a hat showed up on the floor. When I went there to pick it up, it moved away again.
So I started to RP watching the hat, which then got blown up and away, so I traced it to see where it'd land, grabbed it and was left with a little roleplay event and a shiny (old mind you

) hat for my character.

Keep it up "checking" on players like that. If people do not even respond to uncommon text messages where one usually KNOWS there must be a GM behind it, then he's missed the concept of roleplay anyway.

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:54 pm

Your pure human blood reacts negatively to my fart. You die.

CNTRL+CLICK

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:13 pm

I think it has been shown time and time again that Damien is rather fond of PKing characters for "background" reasons.

Infact although Damien never mentioned it was him, as soon as I realised it was a GM behind the death I instantly realised who it was.

I don't think I would be alone when I say this is both unfair, and immoral, having a single person control the entire background of illarion gives them a huge monopoly. He can effectively say who must do what. And I personally find it no fun to RP like that.

And yes, I am unable to play for a few days. But I am always watching

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:42 pm

"my pure elven blood is hurt by the lich's evil aura?"

WHAT?! I do hope you have written an email to gmabuse then. I am rather sick of these things that Damien keeps doing, such as last time with lightning storm that killed all the bystanders in an instance.

Ah well, not my decision to make, but perhaps someone needs replacing.

Gildon · Post by **Gildon** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:53 pm

I've never gotten anything, apart from a few GM's talking through Rankor, and one goblin jumping into Rankor's spirit, speaking of loving Meriel. (Note, Rankor hates Meriel. )

Gilthas · Post by **Gilthas** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:27 pm

Hey everyone Damien can do what he wants to do. He ia a GM and has been here since the begining. Go back to the oldest posts on the rpg section or such. Guess who you will see? Damien!

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:08 pm

So what?? That doesn't give him the right to push us around.. I play Illarion for fun, not to worship Damien!!
What the hell man?

And yes, i've sent a complain to the gm_abuse, but no one answered so far.. I hope that they don't overlook this because if this keeps on going, i'll quit Illarion

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:22 pm

Gilthas wrote:Hey everyone Damien can do what he wants to do. He ia a GM and has been here since the begining. Go back to the oldest posts on the rpg section or such. Guess who you will see? Damien!

He's also been the laziest of all GM's, and the fact that the GMs have been inactive for most of the last five years is the reason why you don't have a GM staff anymore.

Estralis and I put together the *only* working GM staff in the history of Illarion, but when we retired from the job, no one took up our slack, and thus, there is no GM staff.

So, yes, he can do what he wants to do, but most of what he wants to do is ridiculous.

Why do I make a public case of this? Because there are plenty of people within the staff currently who have the same amount of time Estralis and I did back then, and the same amount of access we had, that won't do what's right for the players of Illarion.

Meanwhile, the game itself evolves beautifully thanks to folks like Markous, Nitram, and Martin--and yet, because of the lack of any staff ingame it's going to hell.

Gildon · Post by **Gildon** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:24 pm

One would find it would make more sense to hire some more GM's then, no?

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:28 pm

Avalyon el'Hattarr wrote:Damien, you know that what you did yesterday to my char, was plain stupid and unfair.. I'm sorry, but this is what it was

COMMUNICATION is one way.

IGNORANCE is not.

Your character may be used to evil surroundings, but still an elf (and thus theoretically also weakened by the twisted nature of the blackstone inside). He was hurt, hungry, standing quite close to the lich, and just a very simple character OR player reaction, be it emote or a short talk with the GM, would have led to a different outcome or even a miniquest thing.

Please look up your history for the correct words of some of the messages before posting that.

A Roleplaying game is for interaction with other players as well as surroundings and situations, which are often displayed or described by the GMs.
Only playing your own way in total disregard of the surroundings does not work in an RPG.

If you just ignore GM messages and give a shit about them - which you did for quite a while - you WILL end up as a ghost.
Or just be banned for a few days next time.

Over and out.

Thanks for the flaming Aegohl. I would like to write some really mean things here, but you're just not worth it. Anyhow, you gave up after a quite short while of somewhat good work, i did not for a somewhat longer while. As always, you simply have no idea.

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:29 pm

Why? In five years we've had a working GM staff for what? Six months? And that took a whole lot of work to get a group together like that.

If the current GM's had the ability to make a working GM staff, they would have already tried.

Damien, I've read all your writings and nowhere does it mention that elves would be weakened by evil. That's an important item that should be there if it's true, because it would likely lead half of the people who play elves to stop, considering it takes away their free will.

In the past you told me how when you did quests players reacted negatively, and I told you that that wasn't the case when I did quests. Perhaps next time you go ingame and interact with players think of your actions as a mod to the game ahead of time. If you offered the players the chance to download your mod, would they download it?

If not, don't do it! You're here to entertain the players; the players are *not* here to fulfill your storyline.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:38 pm

There are enough complaints about races not being played properly. Elves are defined the tolkien-ish way in illarion, and we have a very high amount of evil elf players ( some even played well, some not ), and an even higher amount of elves played just like humans or in a very unmatching way.

Anyhow you have no idea how much time martin and many other staff members put into illarion right now, and how much time each other staff member has put into it before. Also, being "lazy" sometimes comes from a quite filling RL job and some RL stuff anyhow. But you'll not get me into giving up here. I don't leave the staff because i have to do a few 12 hour workdays sometimes.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:41 pm

Three things Damien:
1. Why did you picked at me? As i sayied many time to you at that point, i'm not the only elf in the temple!
2. Did you read my damn story?
3. There is no such thing as pure blooded creatures! even actual true angels can be corrupted by evil! No creature is GOD!! They have a free will.. If they choose to be evil, it's entirely their choise! And you are wrong... He may have been hurt by the presence of Nalzaxx before the insertion of he stone, but now the stone gives him power! Did you actually took any interest in reading all of this things? All the members are one with the temple..

So please, read the damn stuff and then we'll discuss further..

Aegohl · Post by **Aegohl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:46 pm

Then put that in your storyline that elves are a bunch of pussies that get weak in the knees over evil, instead of making an experiment with one player. And then stop doing quests that only serve to penalize or piss off players. Stop picking at them for the weakest of name violations. Let the kids play, already.

Markous · Post by **Markous** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:48 pm

Please discuss any further things in private. No need to have a public pillory here.

The players will play elves like they want anyway, if you restrict it, or not. No newbie will read hundreds of pages before chosing elf. He'll just do.

We have the special races you have to apply for. I think, we should enforce the rules for them. All normal avaiable races must not be so hardly punished for not being exactly in their "races RP".

I think, the important things have been said. Anything to add, before I lock this topic?

Errian Abêth · Post by **Errian Abêth** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:51 pm

There are enough complaints about races not being played properly. Elves are defined the tolkien-ish way in illarion, and we have a very high amount of evil elf players ( some even played well, some not ), and an even higher amount of elves played just like humans or in a very unmatching way.

I certainly have to agree there ... but killing some people ingame will not solve that problem ... now that the account system is gone (which was not a too bad step imho) this is quite normal.

AlexRose · Post by **AlexRose** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:52 pm

Yeah and BTW what about Dravish?

And also wasn't Moshran originally an elf? That's what I was told.

Avalyon el'Hattarr · Post by **Avalyon el'Hattarr** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:53 pm

It's not about reading pages.. everyone knows how an orc or an elf acts.. The importang thing is to give freedom to the player.. He's here to enjoy himself not to be locked into a stereotype. As i said, even a feary should be allowed to be evil if she has a good reason for it

OK.. lock the damn thing

Markous · Post by **Markous** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:55 pm

Avalyon el'Hattarr wrote:OK.. lock the damn thing

Amen.

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