Suggestions: Saving this game(read before you delete)

[Luey]

Just some opinions, you're game has great potential, by deleting this you'll be proving that you're ignorant and closed-minded. Please prove me wrong.

Youre rules...

"Illarion puts much focus on roleplaying. any out of character talk should be whispered, or take place outside town. Also, speak as your type of character would in medieval times, do not use modern slang. Do not speak of you skills. Sentences like "My parry is near the second R" are highly frowned upon."


Above: If you have ever played an MORPG, you'll know that the players are not zombies, they have friends and like to talk in groups about things other than the game, it's only human. Plus, the online gaming community consist of about 90% slang users.


"Carrying out an action repeatedly, and for an extended time to raise your skill, is called Power gaming, and is forbidden. A worse case is when the player is doing something else to entertain him/her self meanwhile (e.g. watching tv). Note: Casting offensive spells on yourself will kill you instantly."

That's known as training, if people aren't allowed to achive their goal, they will:

a) Quit
b) Cheat

"The use of additional programs which influences the game is not allowed. Expecially macro programs are not allowed. "

Totaly fair, but you might wanna' not name the direct programme otherwhise people could look it up.


So please, think about how strict you're being and who knows, you could save this game after all.

[Adano Eles]

Ilarion is a fantasy RPG. If you want to chat OOC you can also use ICQ instead.

And if your "goal" is to become the strongest mage/warrior/smith/everything then this is not the right game for you. Because the "goal" the creators of Illarion intended is to play a medieval fantasy role, get friends (and enemies) and interact with them the way a medieval fantasy character would. In general, what is known as "role playing".

And you don't really expect them to name all the programs you can use to break the rules, do you?

[Luey]

Thanks for the pleasant reply, I was expecting Flaming.

But can I ask, are you intending it to go places? Or is it just a project?

[Caranthir the great]

There is a diffrence between a MORPG, and A Roleplaying game.
Now you are propably saying 'Gee, what a jerk those two are the same thing', but I hate to disappoint you.

Illarion puts much focus on roleplaying

That is what makes this game different when compared to other games I.E runescape. They are all about killing mosters, and everybody is focusing to be 'da strogast guy in da w0rld'
That is not the 'thing' of Illarion.

they have friends and like to talk in groups about things other than the game, it's only human.

Ever heard of ICQ, IRC, MSN?
You can talk about non-game relevant bussines in some chat.
And if you have something out of character that you want to say in illarion, whisper or use the tags () or peferably both.

Plus, the online gaming community consist of about 90% slang users.

Perhaps, but this does not apply to Illarion.

That's known as training, if people aren't allowed to achive their goal, they will:
a) Quit
b) Cheat

No. That is known as 'Powergaming'.
People are allowed to 'train' but with some common sense.
If they cheat, they will be puhished (I guess, I can't really promise anything since I am not GM)

So please, think about how strict you're being and who knows, you could save this game after all.

This game is already doing far better than 90% of the games of so-called
'online gaming community'.

[Luey]

Well, about the;

This game is already doing far better than 90% of the games of so-called
'online gaming community'.

What about Runescape, not that I play that anymore; 7000 On each server, and that's just the 2nd class accounts.

Legend of mir; Over 1000 users.

Star wars galaxies; About to be released and already over 10,000 and more.

And I come onto this and see "20 Users Online" Blasting bin laden flash game has more than that.

And yes, there is a big difference between MORPG's and this brand of MUD, but I won't say it cause it will end up in a deleted post.

I don't think I'll review this for my site, I think I'll keep looking.

[Caranthir the great]

Yes, 7000 players, but not 7000 role-players.
Perhaps runsecape's role-player number is somewhere around Illarion has.
If the creators of Illarion would want it, sure they could remove all those rules that you concider 'stupid' and start attract all kinds of people by any making this the 'monsterslayer-pk's' paradise.
But in the first place they didn't make Illarion as one.

But how much IQ does 'blasting bin laden' -game require?
*Click-boom-click*
Not that much I'd say.
And how much does roleplaying?

but I won't say it cause it will end up in a deleted post.

I say it for you.
Most of the MORPG-players have propably never heard of Roleplaying, never even try it or if they do,they will all be "Muahaha 'evil' pks".
Even the name MORPG is confusing, since most of them are focused completely on skill building, 'Exping', being a lame Pk and having a super-weapon such as the 'Axe of world destruction +23465'

Illarion is rather for Quality, than Quantity.

[Korwin]

As Caranthir mentioned, this is a role-playing game. If it was to resemble all those other games out there, it would have no purpose. Speaking of slang, are people who use it mentaly or physicaly handicapped in a way that prevents them from typing three letter words? Eventually slang turns into improper sentences and people end up saying "G0 2 D cave?". It's actually enjoyable speaking to people as a character different from yourself rather then giving them just enough information to understand you.

[Sevious Helios]

And using slang terms as those show somewhat a lack of intelligence or the person is to lazy to type it out. Just my opinion. But I am sure lots of others would agree with me.

[Esyptheus]

Sorry that i write this posting in german, but i couldn't find the right words in english. Maybe someone is that kind and translates my writing?

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Ich kann Adano und den anderen nur zustimmen, bis allerdings auf eine Ausnahme, die das "Powergaming" betrifft.

Es ist klar, niemand würde sich selbst mit ner Nadel stechen wie ein Irrer, um besser zu werden. Den normalen Kampf mit Waffen betreffend sind die Powergaming Regeln durchaus in Ordnung, da und obwohl es von technischer Seite her leider keine andere Möglichkeit gibt, sich zu verbessern.

Nicht so bei der Magie, hier ist es durchaus möglich in der Gegend herum zu zaubern, um besser zu werden, was allerdings verboten ist. Doch halte ich die Vorschrift, zum Trainieren dann Monster zu benutzen für mindestens genauso irrwitzig, wie sich mit einer Nadel zu stechen.

Ein Beispiel:
Ich mache OOC Karate, um das zu erlernen gehe ich auch nicht ins das nächste Ausländerviertel um dort "Scheiß Türken" zu schreien, damit ich endlich mal trainieren kann, auch wenn aus den Häusern vielleicht nur kleine Kindern gerannt kommen. Sondern ich trainieren in der Trainingshalle, zum größten Teil ohne Gegner, um die simle Ausführung der Techniken mit ihren Bewegungsabläufen zu erlernen.

Ebenso sollte es, meiner Meinung nach, mit der Magie sein. Denn auch dort geht es (IC) ja eher um die geistige Konzentrationsfähigkeit etc., als um die Fähigkeit treffen zu können oder Schmerzen auszuhalten o.ä.

Meine Kritik zum Powergaming betrifft also nur die Magie und auch dort nur das reine Ausführen der Sprüche, nicht das Verbessern der "magic resistance".

Grüße,

[Armil Darken]

The standard long conversation in runescape is negotianing a deal for a trade then the extreme is being in a monster or pking party.

I used to play runescape but I got bored of it.

I started Illarion and have liked it ever since. Mainly because of the Role playing aspect and not the "selling full addy hit 12345 to buy" and "I am a noob could U Plx give me stuff" aspect. I have not found a single RolePlayer on Runescape yet.

Personally i think the rules are fair and not strict if you want to have fun and most normal people want to. I think it is like being a "zombie" when your only goal in life is to be the best at everything. I sure hope that isn't your goal in real life. Oh an if you are playing a real person you wouldn't mine mine mine mine never sleep eat or talk or do anything else.

Oh and a macro is a simple program that peforms simple actions there is not a specific program called "macro"

What is your site Luey?

Oh and about expecting to be flamed isnt a surprise. But your average Illarion player is the Swear speaking igorant person tha can't have an intellegent conversation.

But you are entitled to an opinion so I can't say your wrong but I have an opinion to and that is that I think Illarion is awesome. And I think the creators of this game weren't going for the most players but going for making the game that they dremed of making.

[Serpardum]

"Illarion puts much focus on roleplaying. any out of character talk should be whispered, or take place outside town. Also, speak as your type of character would in medieval times, do not use modern slang. Do not speak of you skills. Sentences like "My parry is near the second R" are highly frowned upon."

Above: If you have ever played an MORPG, you'll know that the players are not zombies, they have friends and like to talk in groups about things other than the game, it's only human. Plus, the online gaming community consist of about 90% slang users.

Yes. Most MPOGs do not emphasize RP, Role Playing. Illarion is different in that respect, which is why a lot of people play it instead of other games.

Illarion would rather have 100 good RPers than 10,000 bad ones.

If you don't like RP, you should perhaps find a different game that doesn't emphasize it.

"Carrying out an action repeatedly, and for an extended time to raise your skill, is called Power gaming, and is forbidden. A worse case is when the player is doing something else to entertain him/her self meanwhile (e.g. watching tv). Note: Casting offensive spells on yourself will kill you instantly."

That's known as training, if people aren't allowed to achive their goal, they will:

a) Quit
b) Cheat

They quit, okay. They weren't RPing anyway. They cheat, they will be deleted/banned. They weren't RPing anyway.

So please, think about how strict you're being and who knows, you could save this game after all.

I dont' think there's anything to "save". We don't want thousands of players. We would rather have fewer players that actually RP.

[mannelig_]

I read the first post, and luaghed so loudly I almost spilt me drink!
Illarions rules are LEANIENT compared to my game (guesswho>? )

In my game, you cant see yer skills at all, you cant talk OOC at all, you MUST submit a profile before you can even play.

Train all you want, any of my chars sees you,you'll need it.

Talk OOC all you want, any of my chars see you he/she will give you clouded vision, maybe it will give you time to think.

(note remember, I only read the first post:) )

[Grishnak Bloodlust]

Star wars galaxies; About to be released and already over 10,000 and more.

I don't think comparing Illarion to Star wars galaxies is quite justified. For example, Star was is that multi millionarie saga of films already recognised around the world, Illarion is not. Star wars is based in space, Illarion is not. Get my drift?

[Faramier]

I think by raising this topic Luey did a very brave thing, going against the common view is always likely to be thrown away at the first glance, I think you take what she is trying to put across too literally.

Firstly you can flame me all you like because it dosent make the blindest bit of differance to me, all Luey is doing is suggesting ways to take some of the frustration out some aspects of the game, you all raise valid points but you spew them out like you were talking to some worthless scum that isnt worthy of licking crap off your shoe.

Try to reason a little explain what you are saying and try to understand the whole aspect of what she is saying.

Guingalan,

[Grishnak Bloodlust]

If I sound like I was 'talking to some worthless scum that isnt worthy of licking crap off your shoe' I didn't mean to (sorry), its just I wanted to say that all rpg's are different and the ammount of people on Illarion doesnt really matter.

[Faramier]

Its not what you say that gets me, its how you say it.

Guingalan

[Mishrack]

How can you say that when you don't even live up to those yourself...?

[Faramier]

Excuse me? I'm not sure what you mean, I'm saying that you flame to much, I dont flame.

[Caranthir the great]

all Luey is doing is suggesting ways to take some of the frustration out some aspects of the game

Like the Role-playing parts of the game?

like you were talking to some worthless scum that isnt worthy of licking crap off your shoe.

In which point we do that?

Try to reason a little explain what you are saying and try to understand the whole aspect of what she is saying.

I got that already.
She is saying 'Get rid of the RP-parts, I don't like them.'

[Yakin]

@Luey
Did you played Illarion in each time? I don't think so, we are different and
that is our profit.
We don't need no thousands of chaos playing people.
And we are not a commercial game which needs to have so many player.

We have got a famous friendchip family all over the world, I think that is one of the best reasons, I've ever heard, to play Illarion.

I can't understand your problem?

[mannelig_]

I agree illarion needs saving but not FOR nonrpers and powergamers, but AGAINST them.


not flaming>? thats precisely what you are doing!, maybe on a larger term and more politly.

All I have to say is, Put Up or Pack Up

[Dyluck]

Since hockey is doing so well, I suggest that lacrosse be played on ice and be made more like hockey. 90% of all atheletes want to move faster, so if you don't let them skate, you're only forcing them to cheat.

Illarion isn't the same type of game as all the comparasons Luey made with other games. If you don't know the difference either, chances are you probably shouldn't be playing this game and won't be once the email app kicks in.

[Bror]

I think Luey just prooves that she fails to understand what roleplaying is about.

Just some opinions, you're game has great potential, by deleting this you'll be proving that you're ignorant and closed-minded. Please prove me wrong.

This is one difference from other games. We only delete something on the board, if someone gets strongly and personaly attacked (I deleted perhaps 3 times in two years).

If you have ever played an MORPG, you'll know that the players are not zombies, they have friends and like to talk in groups about things other than the game, it's only human. Plus, the online gaming community consist of about 90% slang users.

And these are the 90% of users that we don't want to have. (I don't say we want all of the other 10%.)

That's known as training, if people aren't allowed to achive their goal, they will:

a) Quit
b) Cheat

If they quit, they do exactly what we want them to do, if they cheat, we will do the quiting for them.

Totaly fair, but you might wanna' not name the direct programme otherwhise people could look it up.

"macro" isn't the name of a program (as well as "graphics program" or "game" is not the name of a specific program).

What about Runescape, not that I play that anymore; 7000 On each server, and that's just the 2nd class accounts.

Legend of mir; Over 1000 users.

Star wars galaxies; About to be released and already over 10,000 and more.

We never had the goal to attract many players. Why do you assume this?
If we wanted many players, why were we constantly adding features (i.e. putting work into the game), that turns away many players or why are we constantly deleting players? There is only one reason. If we have one good player between 99 bad ones, we want to pour water on this single precious flower to make it grow and spawn more of its kind. We will tear out the 99 weeds so that they doesn't take the flower the place to grow.

I don't think I'll review this for my site, I think I'll keep looking.

Don't review us, this would probably give us more of the kind of players we don't want. We pick the sites that should review Illarion on our own, so we can choose the type of players we get. So you may as well go ahead and flame Illarion on your site now.

[Kringin]

Heh heh this is rather funny, well thats life. Some people dont get it some never will , some need to learn, some wont bother and thats all i have to say.