For want of our old roleplay.

[Fooser]

Why not have a place where you can do that without interruption?

The map is big enough, why do you need to post or ask for help?


Also, most of the points you make have no basis. There was a problem with creatures in town once, because a couple people decided to use the cheap portal trick...ok. Fear of being PKed is just straight up paranoia, I haven't seen an unjustified death anywhere in a long time. NO ONE is being over shadowed. If so, by who? A leader? One government changed completely while the others are semi-inactive. Guilds or guild leaders? Not seeing it. Where is this all at?

[Devrah Liioness]

I'm not asking for your help. I'm trying to find out if there is enough support for the idea for me to bother.

I don't expect everyone to love the idea, nor do I want that.

I just want to know if its worth my time, and I think that it is.

I'm building a camp. I'm posting a thread about a retreat. I'm planning a few fun non-fighting quests to take place in that general vicinity. If you don't want to show up and RP there for a little while, cool. If you do, even cooler.

*shrugs*

It's an experiment. I think anything's worth trying.

Furthermore, any new players that would like to receive help both IC and OOC with the game are more than welcome to seek me out or head to the retreat, if they don't want to or can't receive help elsewhere.

[xBaurusx]

So you mean go there to RP.....and only RP.....not have to worry about powergamers beating your assess because you suck with skills? that would sound nice. i would prefer that the fighting system is gone and everything is rp'ed.. because i hate losing..!!

[Garett Gwenour]

No one can stop your characters from leaving other lands. At the same time, your basically saying, I don't want to roleplay with you guys, so since i don't want to play with you, you can't play with me.
I mean by all means go for it, but you will just be bandit fodder, (character played), in the end.

And yeah, I have nothing else to argue, Fooser and Arist did enough.

[Alkuurg]

What bandit would go out of their way just to get to a small camp full of penniless nobodies?

Aslong as the retreat doesn't start to restrict access to certain characters, it seems fine. Wether you admit it or not, in Illarion you need to have skills to survive, and you need to have good skills to be noticed. A place where you could just forget about *having* to train would be nice, where people wouldn't simply turn away from you after realizing you have no skill, or even a want for skill. While few would admit that happens, it does, after all, what use does a guy who simply sits around have?

[Grant]

Grant

[Garett Gwenour]

Not true, Stephen wanted people without fighting skills to be his scribes or scholars, there just *isnt* any such character except brer and orren lol

[Poots]

ther's no one really to stop you and I don't really care if you do or not (yes, I do realize this is to see how many would come) but my thoughts:

It is us shadowed characters that makes everyone else shine, you can't all be hogging for a spotlight, and not being the most popular guy around isn't horrible. doesn't stop you from rping any more.

I don't see why you can't do this in trolls Bane. except for noobs, but you gotta help 'em, they're noobs!
I don't worry about being pked except for out of town (my stats+skills=death) and the only places I go to I know the safe routes. in town not everyone is killing as much as possible, if you don't want to die, you won't. just don't go and kick an orc. yes there are lot's of battles but who is forcing you to be a part of the battle side of Illarion?

And I personaly like the politics, they're fun. Don't like them? don'te read about them on the boards, they're only words, nothing too special. if Rothman's in control or if Lamar is in control, nothing is going to affect you too much.

In short, what makes this "retreat" any differant from a tavern or the Inn?

[Devrah Windslasher ~]

In short, what makes this "retreat" any differant from a tavern or the Inn?

Uhm, the fact that every ten seconds someone yells "Monsters!" or starts talking about Stephen or Aleytys?

Anyway, as I said, I built it, it's there now, you can go to it if you choose to, and if you choose not to: Fine. As some of you say, if I don't like the politics or powergamers, don't go near them. If you don't like the retreat, don't come near it

Here is a screen shot of it, as well as its location:





The location was chosen because it's fairly easy to find and not in too dangerous of a place. I personally will be running some quests in that area that are friendly to non-fighter characters soon.

[Garett Gwenour]

There are tons of places like that is more secluded places on the map.. I would suggest the fairy wood which is awesome and can inspire good roleplay as well as the campsite with the Great Naldor tree beside it (between the farmers union and the docks), and so on..
But well have fun.

[Farter]

(inessence)

I want a special place for myself cause i don liek playin with skilled characters.
--Devrah

Why is sumone liek this a head of Illarion?

[Lance Thunnigan]

(inessence)

I want a special place for myself cause i don liek playin with skilled characters.
--Devrah

Why is sumone liek this a head of Illarion?

You completely miss the point of this area.

[The Wanderer]

I appreciate your initiative to create such a "hideout" or "retreat" for whoever wants to spend his/her time there.

But even if I am not one of the "great" roleplayers (in fact not even one that claims to have a moderate roleplay) I'd like to add 3 points here, if I may:

1) The fears of "ghetto"ing the players, who want to RP without caring for their skills is something I cannot understand: If people wanted to be left alone and to stay outside the messy world of the island's main city actually have many places to go. They're free to do so... The farmland south of Trollsbane for example or whatsoever. The only problem was, to meet other people, who thought in the same way. Sitting lonesome on you log and telling the stories to the campfire isn't much fun for long, indeed. If more players knew, where to go when they feel like this, they would simply do it. So, it's fine. (It's like the old offer-and-demand-principle) And they will return to the city and even RP there, if they feel like that. This is no reason for building a wall on Gobiath. We had that here in Germany and it was an... "anti-brilliant" idea. ;o) So, ideology makes differences, but one has to be ready to discuss and even to compromise...

2) Illarion is an action-rpg. We have a java client, that shows players, objects and much more. So, even the skills, the monsters and the action quests are part of it. Some may dislike this, but it is a part of illarion. Purists may tend to write rp-stories in the forum exclusively, anyone else, who enters the realm of the client, agrees to enter a world, that he or she cannot control entirely. It is as the real world, for there are burglars, there are braggarts, there is hurt, sorrow and agony sometimes. Most of this action concentrates on Trollsbane, and it's true, that you may stay out of it, if you want... But, if you do not like what you encounter, you are free to influence it. That is RP. Imho you don't have to prepare and plan all your actions. It's life and life's live. So, deal with it. Lamenting is good, but it should be transfered to the game, it's an ig issue, isn't it? If your char doesn't like anyone to show off: Ignore him, leave the location or tell him/her.

3) I agree with the noob-"problem" for it is difficult to RP AND explain a new player how illarion works in detail. It's not good for both sides, I guess. I'd rather create a special place for new players, like a completely seperated noob-isle (I know, it sounds exactly the same as the "ghetto" statement at first). But: The noobs may TRY to interact and to work or even to gain their first skills, whatsoever. Anyone who likes is free to teach them and help. After having spent a couple of online-hours on the noobs'-home-isle, they are free to enter Gobiath. It should be seen as an interactive noob-tutorial in order to learn the basic features of illarion. Most players won't read the threads in the forum and just want to trial-and-error. I think, that's okay. But Trollsbane is definately not the best place to start you RP, if you are completely new to all this.

Maybe these thoughts indicated some new aspects to discuss or at least bear in mind for future discussions...

And again, thanks to Devrah for this idea. For this is, what innovation is all about.

[Gort Greegog]

I like #3 a newb island would be nice. Maybe they should have to talk to a portal npc to get a portal to Troll's Bane? That way they will at least have to know some thing and have read the mannual. Would filter out the shouting HOW DO I WEAR SOMETHING's.

[Garett Gwenour]

a newb island is already in the works.

[Aristeaus]

I was playing Civ IV the other day and one of the other civs tried to conquer me and I didn't enjoy that, so now, instead of playing a different game, I play in a far corner of the map beyond mountains where they can't reach without boats.

[Garett Gwenour]

And if the whores, fighters, and "uber rpers" go there, then what?

obviously if any of us go there and roleplay in a group, in a way not fitting to their standard they will complain about it ooc and threaten to quit for us roleplaying with them. duh.

[Devrah Liioness]

And if the whores, fighters, and "uber rpers" go there, then what?

obviously if any of us go there and roleplay in a group, in a way not fitting to their standard they will complain about it ooc and threaten to quit for us roleplaying with them. duh.

This statement is exactly the kind of obnoxious crap I'm so sick of. It's a goddamn quiet spot where people can go if they don't feel like playing in the city, for the moment, and it's a place where new players can learn without having to engage in fighting right away.

Why do you have such a problem with that?

I could play your game and claim that it's because you are afraid people will stop gravitating towards your characters, but frankly, I'm not going to bother getting into that whole argument. As I said, if you don't like it... Don't go there. If you do... you are wholeheartedly welcome to play your characters there. I'm not a gamemaster, and I'm also not setting any rules for this little area of the map (not like I have the power to do that if I wanted to). I really don't understand why some of you have such a problem with it.

You can play your characters wherever and however I want. If I, and several other players want to sit around a campfire and tell stories, why can't we? Yes, there are plenty of campsites similar to this one already, and some people roleplay there, I'm sure - but that's just it. They are everywhere, and I'm offering a centralized one that people can go to and have a better chance of finding other players.

@Farter:

I am not a head of this game. I have virtually nothing as far as authority in this game. I have the ability to propose quests, as does every other player in this game, and I have the ability to make some of these quests happen.

I repeat, I am not a head of this game. Yet, there are some people who are considered "heads" of this game who don't do anything, don't listen to players' complaints, and who favor a certain group of players over other players. What I did was listen to a bunch of people (including myself) who think Illarion's roleplay is going down the tank, and I proposed a solution instead of just complaining about it. If you have a problem with that, you really can go play with yourself. I don't care.

Furthermore, I think you should understand something. This game isn't yours; it isn't mine. It belongs to the people who own the server, and the people who developed its original concept. No matter what you or I do or say, we have no final decision over what happens. It could come to pass that the people who do own this game will erase the campsite. They could also erase Trollsbane. What you say, and what I say, makes little difference - it's not our choice. Even though most of the staff do try to take our opinions into consideration, we are not the final straw, because we do not pay to play this game. Therefore, it comes to you to do what you can to improve the game for you and the people you like to roleplay with. The people I like to roleplay with wholeheartedly liked my idea, and so I'm trying it for them. You can do whatever you want, you're not my problem.

What you said, Garrett, doesn't even make any sense, since it supports my idea when you were trying to argue against it. Sometimes people are going to get tired of campfires and return to the city. That's the point. They can go into that roleplay... and leave it, at will. That's exactly what the retreat is for.

I have a few other concerns to address, but I will do so via PMs instead of creating a flamewar in this thread. I invite the rest of you wishing only to insult me to follow my example. That's what the little brown button is for.

[Garett Gwenour]

no devrah, i support what you want to do, at the same time, you cannot play only with people you want. You can go away, but when other people come to play with you, and bring with them skills and talk of things you haven't planned on being talked about, you cannot ignored them. This is an online game where you play with everyone.

[Devrah Liioness]

I wasn't planning on ignoring them.

[Garett Gwenour]

If you can accept to play with other players not involved in your 'pure roleplay' clan, then there is nothing wrong with this in anyway.

[Korwin]

Although the initial post did have a certain quantity of malice in it, I think it should be clear by now that it's simply a call to say, "Hey, people will be in this specific spot. If you want to simply talk around a camp fire, come here," rather than the elite club the initial post might have made it sound like.

I do however, see the issue of bandits finding out about the spot in-game, and victimizing it. It seems like you're going to need to find a way to stop that from occuring apart from speaking to the players OOCly.

Other than that, it seems like a fine idea.

[Korm Kormsen]

korvin,

as i love to repeat myself, i find it a good idea. but an idea, that cant work.
after having explored part of the map, after having ubicated, where those chars who are not to my liking are normally ubicated, i decided to play my char (a farmer) in a quiet spot of the map - the hamlet of greenbriar.
look at the hamlet now...
trollsbanes ways spilled over. the hamlet is far from being a quiet place.

so i have to decide, to go on playing in changed circumstances, or to look for another quiet spot, or to quit.

and exactly the same will happen to each and any "refuge", the less warlike players might choose.

yours,korm

[Keikan Hiru]

@Farter
Your IP is logged.
Since you use this board account to only post complete crap and try to avoid being connected to your "true identity", I'll start thinking if I should not let your actions affect your access to your characters.

@Devrah
Good luck with this.

[Faladron]

I've skimmed all the comments posted here and all the arguments and just want to say:

I will show up there.

I am fed up with people running away after a simple hello.

I am fed up with people that do not respond to my #me's no matter how elaborate they are.

I am fed up with all the people that lack background and are currently in-game right now. Now that wouldn't be bad if they actually had a personality to make up for that, but they don't even have that!
They can't even use ANY #me's although that's what's essential for this game.

I am fed up with people that do not roleplay with my characters, that give me cheap two liners if I try to pick up contact with them and on the other hand are considered awesome on this "Whos RP did you like today thread".

I am fed up with two liner characters that are fully capable of making more than decent RP as I read through the "quote of the day" thread but they only do so with people they know OOC.

Someone might remember that we had a simmiliar discussion like.. half a year ago and some of my points are still from back then.

I also want to point out, the playerbase has become worse despite the awesome technical advancement of the client, props to the devs.

There, I'm done. Devrah tell me when to show up and I'll be there

[Dom Bompatill Dent Ings]

I am also sick of all these so i iwll show up at this spot when people are there

It was a wonderful idea as well Devrah

[Dónal Mason]

Actually Grunt senior, if all your characters go there, we'll just walk into your nice little town...and lock the gates.

[swish1]

Why does not anyone understand?
The time we spent complaining about newbees we can teach a newbee.
If we RP separate than we will never grow. the newbees would play among themselves and us among ourselves. I dont think I like this too much.

Plus, you were a new bee when you started, think back and see how would you feel when good rpers left to a place and let you rp alone or with bad RPERS.

A new bee today could be your favorite person to RP with tommorow.

Again I disagree with this idea.

[Avalyon el'Hattarr]

i totaly agree.. everybody here was once a newb

[Errian Abêth]

As much as I loved the "good old times" and maybe miss them, I don't think this will bring them back.

It might be a meeting point where people can sit around a campfire and share stories, but it will not bring anything back.

What made the old times so good was all of it, not just a few players. The overall situation was great, people from that time left, and so, the time left.
Today, roleplay isn't bad. It is different. Time is progress, so the roleplay of this game is in progress. If I had the chance to play one day in the time about three years ago, I would, but a meeting point for "special" people will certainly not bring that effect.

It will rather devide the players. If one wants to bring back the old times, everything would have to move "back", not just a few.
No offense, but this is my understanding of this problem.