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Differing Perceptions in Roleplay

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I just had a minor disagreement IG about the specifics of the town/city Trollsbane.

Is it a town or a city? How large is it?

My impression so far is that (even though the graphics themselves only show a few buildings) Trollsbane is a large human city where races from across Gobiath (I see it spelt Gobaith all the time, but I notice the map on the download page spells it Gobiath) intermingle. A city that has a large enough population (surely it isn't just the player characters and the few NPCs that live here) that my character could reside here for several years without another character knowing about him.

Let me list a few reasons why I percieve Trollsbane this way:

1. According the 'The City of Trollsbane' guild forum, the city/town itself is the capital of ALL of Gobiath. Would not the capital have at least a decent sized population?

2. It is the city/town you spawn on when you start the game. It's only logical to spawn characters in one of the higher populated areas.

3. Somehow this description makes me think it's also talking about Trollsbane and other human cities like it:
"Finally the eagle reaches the windswept coast and comes across the big cities of the proud Humans, on which walls and battlements the flags flap in the wind. Between the towers and roofs it recognizes the buzz of activity filling the market place and the sunbeams are reflected by the armor of the knights riding on horse backs and trying to find their way through the crowd."

I am not actually sure why it reminds me of that.

Now I will point out reasons for it being a small town where everybody knows everybody that sticks around and then dispute them to the best of my ability.

1. There are only several buildings displayed in game. If this is such a large city why has it not not been coded that way?

Dispute: The city that is programmed is only a reflection of itself. Just as you don't see everday common towns folk passing by. You also don't see anybody's houses either. If ALL the buildings are coded IG then where does everybody live? At the inn?

2. The 'The City of Trollsbane' forum calls it a town several times.

Dispute: Well it also calls it a city several times and even calls it a city in the subject line.

3. The 'The City of Trollsbane' forum states that it has deteriorated from what it once was.

Dispute: This is actually the best evidence there is to say that it is a small tight knit town. However, it is still the capital of Gobiath!

In conclusion...

Perhaps there is actually a page that says "Trollsbane is a small town where everybody knows everybody and you are completely foolish for ever doubting this fact" but I havn't seen it.

Of course I have not been roleplaying here for very long, so what should I know?

I just want to clear the air so that if I am incorrect I do not ruin any further IG roleplaying experiences by allowing my character to mention that he has been here for years and that other characters may not know him because the city is large enough for that to happen.

Actually, let me just post the actual conversation. I will replace the name of the other person with Bob so as not to start a fight.
Bob: [elf] You are new at Gobiath, i m right?
Mah'dee Daye stops mid-thought.
Mah'dee Daye: I have been around Trollsbane for a few years now, actually.
Bob: [elf] you have? hmmmm strange that we never meet before *up his shoulders+
Mah'dee Daye: In a city of this size it is hard to make an impression.
Mah'dee Daye: In time you will hear of me, I'm sure. And not of my own lips.
Bob chuckles
Bob: [elf] it isnt normal that seven buildings and a wallare called city
Bob: [elf] But, whoever, i dont want steal your time
Mah'dee Daye: [elf] Good day then to you.
Bob nods
Bob: [elf] The five with you.
Mah'dee Daye: And so with you.

He left so quick I almost feel like I ruined his day!

Anyways, enough rambling.

Who says Trollsbane is a large city and why?

Who says Trollsbane is a tight knit town and why?
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Post by Misjbar »

I am not going to mingle into this, but a few words:

It is spelled Gobaith. The map is wrong. I can dig up the "voting" thread, that decided the name, if you wish.

And, it is not the capital of Gobaith. Mister Sam likes it that way, though every other town will disagree. ;)
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Post by Mah'dee Daye »

No need to. I believe you. I just assumed the map would be right over players posts.

*laughs while making a mental note of the spelling*

It's not the capital? How confusing.
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It cannot be the capital as it is not the governing body of Gobaith. The fact is that there is no governing body. Look at it like that. =)
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Post by Dónal Mason »

Can't be the capital of the island if the island is split between different governments. And yes, it should be assumed that the city is larger than is displayed on the screen. Assume what you don't see is extremely boring, and they only show the important bits.
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Post by Mah'dee Daye »

I see. Very insightful. :D

It helps alot to get correction and confirmation.
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Post by Miklorius »

Yeah, the ingame graphics are an abstract visualization of the city. Otherwise where whould all the people sleep etc.?

PS: Gobaith = engl., Gobiath (cooler) = german?
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Even though I'm english, I prefer Gobiath
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

Trolls Bane is very large, larger then any of the other towns with a larger citizenry. So yes, you can play your character had not been seen or isn't easily recognized tho being a resident of Trolls Bane for some years.
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Yay!
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Post by Garen »

this is confusing.. i just thought there wer no houses and didnt give it a second thought...
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we should have some houses for our char.s! :D :!:
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Miklorius wrote:Yeah, the ingame graphics are an abstract visualization of the city. Otherwise where whould all the people sleep etc.?

PS: Gobaith = engl., Gobiath (cooler) = german?
No. Gobaith is Welsh I believe. Gobiath is not cooler, just because you do not know how to properly pronounce Gobaith.
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Garett Gwenour wrote:Trolls Bane is very large, larger then any of the other towns with a larger citizenry. So yes, you can play your character had not been seen or isn't easily recognized tho being a resident of Trolls Bane for some years.
that is how you wande TB, that means not, that is so is. That is since a long time discussed and actually there is no official staff riuling.

I personally think nothing about the "imagined" settelemnts. the "towns" are, waht you can ig see, if i wand to imagin a town i play PnP .....
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

i am not imagining anything.. Trolls Bane is larger ingame then any other city and its citizen list is longer then any other city.
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Oh, you mean these list of 80 peopel of which is more as the half inactive or doesnt life real in TB?.....

But if you wande: we say all these 80 mens life ig in TB, you real think that there can one of you doesnt see for years? 80 people is a very littel village not more. I life in my house since 2 years, in these house live around 100 peopel, and i have at least see evryone of them some times and remember them at least so good to greeting at street. So you will tell me it is normal that you see in a littel village in that you life someone how never see before and who say he life there since years?
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

Yes.
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Yesh Djironnyma, let's leave imagination out of the picture. Untill the day we have a million people playing this game, I do think 80 is a lot. God, think of the roleplay people!
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Post by Djironnyma »

You are kidding me, do you?

80 peoples are a small littel village.....

eg: 1250AD Berlin have 2000 people, Cöln 7000 (cöln is today a part of Berlin), that were middelaged citys. but 80 mens are near nothing
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Post by Cliu Beothach »

I think he means in comparison. Seeing as 30 players online at once is considered "high", 80 people is quite a large number.
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I do Cliu. Djironnyma tends to skim posts.
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Misjbar wrote:No. Gobaith is Welsh I believe. Gobiath is not cooler, just because you do not know how to properly pronounce Gobaith.
Yeah, it seems there is a welsh word "Gobaith". And how is it pronounced correctly...?
I stay with Gobiath.

City size:
I do not really play that there are dozens of other houses you can't see, but in a realistic point of view a "large city" does not have only 7 buildings. As it was mentioned before: You only see and interact with the important buildings.
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Post by Keikan Hiru »

Funny, I always considered Trollsbane as a village. ;)
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Post by Thariel Feuersturm »

I too.

We all are pioneers who want to build a new civilisation on this isle.
Its growing, but you cant say, that Tb is large.
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Post by Poots »

you know how to stretch out a small point mah'dee....

I always roleplay it as a very large city, 80 people in real life could be like a tribe, but in comparison, it's a ton. and some are inactive yes, but it's pretty hard to keep track of who's active and not, and for how long, and if they'll come back. not everyone spawns at troll's bane, I thought only humans did (changed?) I had a hard time finding it myself.
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Yes, Changed....
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Poots wrote:you know how to stretch out a small point mah'dee...
You noticed. I can be a bit of a perfectionist at times. :D

I was writing a long and drawn out explanation of the reasons why I felt this post was important enough to type up and then I realized that it really doesn't matter.

It seems that, because of the division of opinion, that the way I should roleplay Trollsbane depends on who I am actually roleplaying with. If I am roleplaying with someone who has obviously made it clear that they play as though the town is small, then I should do everything in my power not to ruin the continuity of their roleplaying experience without having to ruin my own either. Even though we differ there is usually some common ground. And if all else fails you can avoid the issue.

And isn't that what this is about? If you notice someone roleplays with a different notion as to the surroundings (as long as it isn't drastically outside the bounds of the described Illarion world) then play along! It will lead to better storylines and more interaction later.
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

or is it so hard for you to imagine that the governor of trolls bane does not want to admit he rules a minor village and so he will make it seem grander then it actually is?
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chronicles wrote:The village growed and growed, became a little town, get further streets, lanes and residential building dwellings. The history went on. Personalities steped into the foot - lights of public live and disappeared out of it. Guilds were established, announced them and sank in the disregard for the great history. Some names were often to hear, others stay in secrecy apart from from a few moments. And obviously there was the mass of folk, which nobody ever heared anything of.
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Troll's Bane is supposed to be a medium sized town ever since the cronicles were first written down. There are more buildings then you can see, because it is complete foolish to think all our chars sleep on trees with only some official buildings and an inn in our town.
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Adano Eles wrote: Troll's Bane is supposed to be a medium sized town ever since the cronicles were first written down. There are more buildings then you can see, because it is complete foolish to think all our chars sleep on trees with only some official buildings and an inn in our town.

Haha, that's a little bit off topic now, but yes, I can see your point. I have this problems with my chars. If we would see it strictly: About 75 of this 80 chars who are citizen of Trolls Bane would have... no place to sleep.
The seahorse has only five rooms. In former days you just walked in, closed the door and logged out. When someone asked you, where you live, you say 'The seahorse'. Now of course that's not possible anymore. Because you really have to rent the room, you have to have a key and you have to pay quite a price ;) And in return, we can't built our own houses...

I don't say it's bad, it's just a bit ... awkward.
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Post by Garett Gwenour »

housing will be established, stephen has a contract, just needs the money and raw materials.
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