Roleplaying Evil

Mashan Da'hok · Post by **Mashan Da'hok** » Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:24 am

Hello, I'd like to see if anyone could guide me in being "evil". It's easy to just be generally rude and provoke fights, but I want to actually get people to want to interact with me. Sadly some of us don't have the luxury of looking like a demon. I've heard all the goals of "evil" roleplaying, but I have no idea how to reach them.

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Sun Nov 17, 2002 11:24 pm

...

just do what your sig. says....

pyromancer?

then summon fire.. then laugh evily..... like this

MUH HA HA HA HA HA

DIE YOU INFERIOR FOOLS!!!
BURN.... BURN.... BURN!!!!!!!!
I SHALL HAVE ALL YOUR SOULS, AND YOUR CHILDRENS!
AND YOUR CORPSE SHALL BE FED TO MY DOGS!!!
*cough cough*

.... there you have it.

Loki Feuerhaar · Post by **Loki Feuerhaar** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:36 am

Dont listen to Shadow Wrait, that is completly nonsens.
Just seting up a huge fire wont make you "evil" like you want to be.
In fact, we had multiple fires in the library, i dont think that is a good way to play evil. Because all new players start there, and i dont think that you wanted to be attacked when you started to play first time.

if you want to be "evil" in a rp way, you need a very good reason for this. Most player come up saying "My god wants that i spread chaos an destruction!" ... is that a good reason ? Is that a good background for a roleplay?
All the attemts i have seen, where more than lousy.
I think first of all the evil char itself should have a valid reason to act evil.
Maybe his friends betrayed him, now he has a anger at everything or everyone. But that is not the whole reason, maybe later he was the victim of a robbey, now he belives the wohle world is against him.
But this char wont run arround killing everybody he sees, this one will have a deep anger in him, that may come to day when good situation apears.

This are only my own thougts about it, they dont have to be right. Even my examples lack of fantasy, i have to admit.
But i think only running around and setting up fires or randomly attacking passers is not "evil-rp" but more "pk"

Have fun,
Loki

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 12:15 pm

well, he had pyromancer in his sig. you know.

Rolplaying as a evil person, since he all ready said he tryed to "act evil", he must do something -else-evil. But in my opinion those are also exuses for those PKs to have fun killing another person.
I didnt say anything about burning buildings either.

I dont think there is a real way to be evil, unless there is some spell to put on a plague or make it so crops dont grow and make eveyrone upset.

Anyway, i was being a bit sarcastic anyway, as a joke.

It certainly wasnt a "no sence" nor nonsence, because its true.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:22 pm

Being evil doesn't mean going around killing poeple, that is chaotic.

What does being evil mean? It means that you do whatever it takes to get things you want. You trick, conive, persuade, lie, etc.. whatever it is you need to do to get what you want.

In fact, if people know you are evil, you are not doing a good job of being evil.

Moyáve · Post by **Moyáve** » Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:58 pm

@ Loki: what if your char is just evil, because its his character? Can i not play a char who's just naturally mean, likes to draw attention on himself, loves to see the town burning...and so on? Of course i could think of reasons WHY he is evil but i'd like to play a char who's evil because it's in his nature.
Here in illarion it's really hard to play such a char... If your char kills someone, just out of bloodthirst (hope this word can be used) you are called Pk. Actually, if you even play an evil char without killing anyone, they will find reasons to get rid of you ("they" can either be players or gms)
So if you want to have an evil Character, I'd advice you to be careful, and don't overdo it. Your char should GROW evil with the time. That will allow you to develop his behavior and you will find out yourself, what ways there are to play evil. Even if it sounds stupid, with the time, your char will develop his own character, when interacting with other chars.

To give generall advice: You don't have to kill every char in the first place.
it's better roleplay if you do it with #me's.
for example: #me spits him into the face
This way nobody will call you a Pk, and the other players will interact with you.

Fieps · Post by **Fieps** » Tue Nov 19, 2002 5:34 pm

@ Moyáve

Yes, thats right.
It is more then hard, to play a evil character.
Often people make the mistake, and say that a evil char play a bad RP.

I always see people who burn depots, or Elizia and so one, or a thief which log out after he stole the money/stuff.

And i have respect for everybody, who try it realy to be a "good rp" evil char, it is rar. Mostly the persons only nervs.

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Tue Nov 19, 2002 7:48 pm

When a character is evil, I believe that they should instill a fear within another player...
not by violence, but by word and reputation(easily built on the RPG message board)their character shall then be feared and infamous in-game.
A recent example was:
I was in town buying goods when I asked if entrails were being sold.
Another halfling immediately turned around and asked...
Yessss...preferably Halfling Entrails...
Three guesses to whom this was!
It was of course Mr.Andrew Horton!
It was a calssic moment, enjoyed by all...and nobody was mindlessly Pked.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:32 pm

By using any type of violence, you will have people getting angry at you.

Evil roleplay is often understood as "powerful" roleplay, meaning the "evil" person must be a danger to others, a threat. This is nonsense, and will most likely lead to many misunderstandings and lots of bad roleplay, and in the end, endless discussions about Playerkilling and several bans.
"Evil" roleplay is, to play a person who acts only for his own sake. An "evil" role may be a dark priest who seeks to persuade others to follow his own, "evil" philosophy ( for example, the strongest survives, all weaker ones must obey or die - that will cause problems with other players too ! ALWAYS solve those IN GAME and IN ROLE !!! ).

Evil roleplay must not mean dark gods and much power. It can also be a mercenary who fights for money, and money only, no matter who the target is (his grandmother, etc). Or a person who Tries to enhance his own influence at the cost of others.
There are MANY examples for evil roles in our society or in TV too, evil roles that DO NOT NEED to kill other people. Look at some politicians or so hehe...

Raknol · Post by **Raknol** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:41 pm

before i start i just want to say i support all the GM's desisions (dont delete me for saying this blah blah etc etc)

am gonna ask one question

Why is PKing not allowed ?
it happens in real life, and if it is proporly rped then it adds to the whole enviroment.
i just think it could add to the system if it was allowed.

~A very good honest (law abiding) dwarf~

Galdriel · Post by **Galdriel** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:50 pm

pking happens in Real Life??
well, its all a question of numbers...
in RL there happens a murder / a few 100000 peple a year.
murdering someone is allowed here too.

but pking means, that you kill a charakter without a roleplaying background, and without rpish behaviour. this isnt allowed here.

Muck · Post by **Muck** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:11 pm

if i played my characters at moment, i would try to kill some characters, because my charter hates them now.
but i fear, if i would do that, they are still living, because it is unpossible to die, may be someone would try to let deleat my characters, because he didn't play his role good.
characters die of only few reasons:
1. the gms deleat it.
2. the character isn't played any longer.

and i just decided to try it in some days.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:02 pm

Some of the differences between PK's and murderers are:
A.) Murderers don't form guilds of hunt in groups.
B.) Murderers only kill one or two people at a time and make sure no one sees them.
C.) Murderers usually had some event trigger their killing sprees.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:45 am

Society doesn't approve of real life "PKers" either. Jack the Ripper, The Boston Strangeler, etc... We find them, and kill them, removing them from our world.

Now, murderers on the other hand we may have some tolerance for. Justified homicide (ie, self defense), heat of passion (walk in on someone sleeping with your wife/husband), etc... where they either go to prison for a length of time or get released.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:10 pm

Dear Muck, if you are a cloud, you are death.
Only the holy power of the cross or a very good Mage can ressurect you.

Mashan Da'hok · Post by **Mashan Da'hok** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:01 am

What would extortion with the threat of death be considered?

The one of thousand souls · Tue Nov 26, 2002 7:18 pm

IF you are gonna kill someone, you should try to do it outside town, like for exampel play the role of a guy with a curse so he never can enter the town.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sun Dec 01, 2002 4:57 pm

A.) Murderers don't form guilds of hunt in groups.

So, assassin guild or a mercenary group/guild would be a pk-group, regardless of how good they would play their role?

Morgaine Le Fay · Post by **Morgaine Le Fay** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 8:07 am

now i have finally found a similar topic from long ago - if i can recall it right... you did initiate it - well maybe you have forgotten so here you go...

http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... ight=#8422

enjoy

Christiana · Post by **Christiana** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:06 am

a little bit older thread

http://www.illarion.org/community/forum ... ight=field

Jocast · Post by **Jocast** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:20 am

Just thought I would comment on this subject before I can't any longer. Don't be evil, regardless of what people say on boards, it is not possible. If it was there would be one good example of a evil player from since the beginning of illarion, and there is not. If you wanna be evil, find a new game, or else your gonna find yourslef on the bad end of a ban.

To my old friends, gonna be good to see you all again. Gonna be fun to hang around for a little bit. Oh and hit damien, my old pal.

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 11:44 am

Don't be evil

Ah, Jocast...

Why not?
come with me to the dark side.
you will love it there.
Darkness isnt the power to fear, but to harnass.

Feel free to join anytime.
No Souls required.
Batteries (you know.... assult and battery) included.

oh common.... seriously, an old ghost cant joke a bit he he he.

Christiana · Post by **Christiana** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 11:49 am

@shadow

jacas(t) is an old ghost from the past. he played some very evil chars and all the chars was deleted because of PKing. i think that jocast the jocas, dark wanderer etc. from that time is but correct me if that is wrong, jocast.

Jocast · Post by **Jocast** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:09 pm

No need to correct you. Just don't be evil, unless your good at hiding and lying, and/or if you don't mind being deleted.

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:11 pm

So.. You are back now?

Jocast · Post by **Jocast** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:27 pm

Only long enough to fix some unfinished business. If i remember right I have a life time ban, so only have long enough to get my hands on a few peoples throats. Fortunately many of the power gaming bugs are still here so should be able to become strong enough in a day or two. More than likely my characters will be banned and i won't even be able to post much longer than it takes to post a few times.

Don't worry caranth, I always liked you so I won't kill you. I'm after a certain husband and wife in the game, more the husband.

Oh and chris, I was never an evil player, I was what most people called a non roleplaying, physcopathic pker with no sense of right or wrong.

You kill a few people, or more like a few dozen people, and suddenly you get these bad titles. Go figure.

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:15 pm

hum...

well from what you have said,
if jocast is evil, then with all the sins he has done, why isnt he on my

"Devil Daddys come to Papa List?"
Well you better not cry
you better not run
you better not pray because im telling you why

your name is about to be wrrrritttttten down.

dont worry, be happy, its a good thing.

Ill see you when i see you, or when i eat you...... or ill do both.... but let me get my false teeth back in there

Hey caran and christina, want to join the dark side too?
im throwing a new members party monday, HOPE TO EAT YOU THERE!

jk/ing

Christiana · Post by **Christiana** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:35 pm

@shadow: NEVER

Caranthir the great · Post by **Caranthir the great** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:08 pm

Shadow, being a fool is not evil

j/k
Don't expect me to arrive at your 'parties'

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:08 pm

From what I've seen Jocas' version of 'evil roleplaying' was to run about and kill things. You can be evil, as long as you aren't a moron, or the invunrable Zuljin.

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hum.... thats strange