Houses for the next version

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Wed Feb 28, 2001 9:42 pm

Who can get buildings
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We have no map editor yet, so the installation of buildings is a hugge work for us. Therefore only specific groups can have buildings:
- No individuals
- groups of 4 or more persons (not 4 characters from one person)
- guilds, no matter how many members, if they have a homepage (i.e. you don't tell us you are a guild just to get a house)

Restrictions
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- your walls will not surround any important places like cave entrances or monster spawns
- we will not install monster spawns in the building
- the doors will not be lockable yet
- only one story above ground level for now (plus roof)
- you can't walk on the tiles, where the walls rest on, but you can install items like paintings or ovens there

Prices for buildings
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Floor tiles (only one per field required)
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ground level/basement/upper floors
parquet tile 250/500/400
carpet tile 350/700/550
trapdoor tile+ladder 600/1200/1000
marble tile 400/800/650
roof tile 200
every scenery tile that is surrounded by your walls (grass, forest, water ...) 200

Walls
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ground level/basement/upper floors
normal wall 250/500/400
edge wall 400/800/650
window wall 300/600/450
entrance wall (without lockable door) 350/700/550

Furniture
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Table (wood,round) 300
table (stone) 500
table (wood,rectangular)400
Chair 150
Armchair 250
Elk head 300
golden lion head 300
vase 300
painting 300
oven 500
stairs (instead ladder) 200
bookcase 800

These prices seem rather expensive, but we don't want everyone to own a house. The houses should be a goal after long work, not something you get after a few hours playing.
The prices can change anytime. You can upgrade your house later. When no owner of the house is online for a month or more, we will raze the house, when we need the place.
The payment is in advance. We can always reject the construction of a builing (you get your money back)

To buy contact us with your wishes at gods@illarion.de . Send the list of persons (character names), that wish to build that building, the place to build and a character name + email from someone that we can contact with questions.
The house will be installed in the next version.

Sskakzk'krr · Post by **Sskakzk'krr** » Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:04 pm

Sorry I didn't understand one part. Does it have to be a guild or 4+ pple?

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:35 pm

A group of 4 people *OR* a guild (which can have less members if it has a homepage)

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 12:11 am

I noticed the talks in the game:
"GM can build for free, why do they take money for building?"

The money is not for the GM (in fact the money will be deleted after you pay it). This game should show some kind of "real fantasy" world. So you have to pay for the things you buy. Players gather money from selling items they crafted and hunting monsters. What can you do with this gold? Right now you can buy different stuff for it, including houses. It is a possibility for us to make sure no one gets too rich

But you'll get your own spot in the game! A spot you can call home, meet your friends. You can even donate a public building. People will be thankful and talk about you, when they sit at the bar, you bought for them to have happy evenings full of stories and drinks.

Sskakzk'krr · Post by **Sskakzk'krr** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 2:13 am

Ok me mist,lask,and ziker want a house for us lizards.But you said no basments but why did you have a trap door?We have been gathering and I don't know how much they got but I have 70 silver ignots on me.We want nothing but the best and need to know the price.hehe maybe we'll put it where the fluffy sheep bar was or on the other side of the road.

Dragon inc.

MD

(Edited by Aries at 2:44 am on Mar. 1, 2001)

(Edited by Aries at 4:54 am on Mar. 1, 2001)

(Edited by Aries at 4:55 am on Mar. 1, 2001)

Mist · Post by **Mist** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 6:55 am

Yeah, i'm saving up, but i only have like 20 silver bricks so far

(Edited by Mist at 7:55 am on Mar. 1, 2001)

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 7:38 am

The drap door has to be installed in the first floor to get down. I can't remember that I said no basements. There are prices for walls ans floors in the basement (the threee prices are always for stuff in the groundlevel, basement, upper floors).

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 10:46 pm

I've reduced the price for roof tiles to 200 gold (above price list already editet, was 400 before).
To give an example of a house, I have created one in a graphic program. It is a 5*4 tiles house (i.e. 3*2 tiles to walk, rest can store furniture like bookcases, ovens...)
The picture does not include a roof, and the walls are cut off, to let you see inside. The price for the house includes full walls+roofs, and a door.

The price is 13200 gold
20 parquett tiles: 20*250 = 5000 gold
9 normal walls: 9*250=2250 gold
4 edges:4*400=1600 gold
1 door: 1*350 = 350 gold
20 roof tiles: 20*200 = 4000 gold

The price for this style of house in the size a*b tiles is:
a*b*450+500*(a+b)-300

example:
5*5 house: 15950 (3*3 tiles walking room)
6*5 house: 18700 (4*3 tiles walking room)
6*6 house: 21900 (4*4 tiles walking room)

For other calculations see the price list.

Sword · Post by **Sword** » Fri Mar 02, 2001 12:36 am

i have a couple silver ignots but will thenew ver. have lockable/locked doors?
if so post it so i can help with it too.(the house)

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Mon Mar 05, 2001 10:03 am

So if anyone wants a building for the next version, reply to THIS thread, and give me the informations requested above. If you don't, you have to wait for the version next-next version

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Mon Mar 05, 2001 1:56 pm

Ummmm, Everything I said in my thread
Its too long to type

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Mon Mar 05, 2001 5:09 pm

What you said in your thread consists of stuff, that is not for sale (like monster spawns), stuff, that is very expensive (3 story 25*25 house), payment, that is much below the prices I posted (5K gold), no email adress, no list of persons, that take part, no place, where to put it.......

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Mar 05, 2001 5:33 pm

do not get me wrong, but:

for me, illarion is massive inside the state of development. a lot of things, mainly concerning different values and numbers (balance of skills, balance of monsterstrength, money, loot, ...) isn't really tested out.
the chars do not have the ablities they should have in future, the loot isn't the one it should be, monsters are too strong or too weak, prices are too low or to high (ok, i didn't see a too high price so far

) etc.

buying a house now means one of two things:
* getting a house VERY cheap compared to what they will cost in future
* the houses (and eventually the skills of the chars) will be reseted
(* mixture of both

)

i wouldn't want to buy a house now, but... that was just a thought of mine.

martin

Eleanor Rigby · Post by **Eleanor Rigby** » Mon Mar 05, 2001 9:29 pm

Yupp, that's the same thing with the characters. I think they have to be deleted sooner or later, because of the skills and gold they got in the test phase of the game. And than the big whinig will start, all the little addicted gaming junkies who "have invested so much time in their char". LOL
But they enjoyed playing, didn't they? So what is lost? Is a hour of fun and pleasure nothing? And if they didn't enjoy it, they are twice as stupied.
Oh, I guess I'm a little bit philosophical today.

martin · Post by **martin** » Mon Mar 05, 2001 9:44 pm

i totally agree. besides, skills raise much too fast now (that's good for testing, but bad for char-evolution

)

martin

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:56 am

heh, I just read what Bror said about my dream house

Ok, I'll loosen up a little.
A shack for now and ill think of something later

Uh, ill put my E-mail in my thread.

Erdrick

Sskakzk'krr · Post by **Sskakzk'krr** » Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:47 am

I want a 6*6.have it next to the road aleast 20 steps east(right)of the shop(bout 3 spaces from road).E-mail edrick_ff@yahoo.

I'll work on the stuff to go in it after the walls are up and I get holda mist.

MD

PS:the 4 are me,mist,lask,and ziker

(Edited by Aries at 1:10 am on Mar. 8, 2001)

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:53 am

"I want the biggest house I can get"...
Does that mean, the shape doesn't matter? a 30 tiles wall without volume in it?
Please, everyone who wants a house, be more specific without me asking all these nasty questions. In this thread is a list of prices and information I need. read through it and tell me.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:58 pm

Ähmm..... Wäre jamand so lieb und würde mir den Text ins deutsche übersetzen???
BITTE *dackelblick*
Ich bin in der 7 Klsasse da haben wir nochnet so viele wörter!

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Sun Mar 11, 2001 6:05 pm

This is a translation of the above english text - no new information.

Wer kann Gebäude bekommen?
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Wir haben noch keinen Karteneditor, deshalb ist das erstellen von Gebäuden eine menge Arbeit für uns. Deshalb muß man bestimmte Bedingungen für ein Haus erfüllen:
- keine Einzelpersonen
- Gruppen von 4 oder mehr personen (nicht 4 charaktere der selben Person)
- Gilden, egal, wieviele Mitglieder, wenn sie eine Homepage haben (damit ihr nicht nur sagt ihr habt eine Gilde, um ein HAus zu bekommen)

Einschränkungen
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- Die Mauern dürfen keine wichtigen Orte einschließen (wie Dungeon Eingänge oder Monsterentstehungpunkte)
- Wir machen euch keine Monster ins Haus
- Die türen sind noch nicht abschließbar
- nur ein stockwerk über dem erdboden (plus dach)
- die bodenplatten, wo die mauern drauf stehen, sind nicht betretbar, doch man kann dort Sachen wie Bilder oder Ofen hinstellen

Preise für Gebäude
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Bodenplatten (es wird nur eine pro feld gebraucht, teppich reicht also)
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erdgeschoß/keller/obere stockwerke
parkettboden 250/500/400
teppich 350/700/550
Falltür+Leiter 600/1200/1000
Marmor boden 400/800/650
dach 200
Jedes geländeteil, was von den mauern abgesperrt wird (wenn ihr statt boden nur grass wollt) 200

Mauern
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erdgeschoß/keller/obere stockwerke
normale mauer 250/500/400
ecke 400/800/650
fenster 300/600/450
eingang (ohne abschließbare tür) 350/700/550

möbel
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tisch (holz,rund) 300
tisch (stein) 500
tisch (holz, rechteckig) 400
stuhl 150
sessel 250
Elch kopf 300
goldener löwen kopf 300
Vase 300
Gemälde 300
Ofen 500
Treppe (statt leiter) 200
Buchregal 800

Für das Bild mit den Gegenständen siehe weiter oben.

Die Preise sehen teuer aus, aber wir wollen auch gar nicht, daß jeder ein Haus hat. Das Haus soll ein Ziel nach langer Arbeit sein, nicht etwas was du nach ein paar Tagen Spielen bekommst.
Die Preise können sich immer ändern. Das Haus kann später erweitert werden. Wenn kein Bewohner des Hauses für einen Monat online war, werden wir das Haus abreißen, wenn wir den Platz brauchen.
Gezahlt wird im vorraus. Wir können das Bauen jederzeit ablehnen (dann bekommt ihr natürlich das Gold zurück).

Um zu kaufen, schickt uns eure Wünsche an gods@illarion.de. Schickt auch eine Liste von Prsonen, die am bau beteiligt sind (Charakter namen), den Ort, wo gebaut werden soll und eine email adresse, an die wir uns mit Fragen wenden können.
Das Haus wird dann jeweils in der nächsten Version eingebaut.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sun Mar 11, 2001 6:37 pm

Thx jetzt habe ich das auch mal endlich geschnallt *g*

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 1:36 pm

Uhmmm... must grass tiles be that expensive ? Wow...

( Ihr braucht auf Dauer Holzwände, Fachwerkwände, Lehmböden und all son Zeug was im Mittelalter und davor verwendet wurde, Rietdächer zum Beispiel... und selbstverständlich dicke Steinmauern...)

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Sun Apr 15, 2001 12:06 pm

Only groups of 4 or more, i can work with that. BUt can you get gem grinders?

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Sun Apr 15, 2001 11:39 pm

Hi Bror!

Wie sieht es in der Zukunft mit Höheren Gebäuden aus? Wir planen grade unsere zukünftige Bebauung, und wir (zumindest die Graue Rose) plant den Bau eines Turmes.

Ich weiss nicht inwiedfern du dich mit Fantasy auskennst, aber er soll dem Turm des Oberklerikers nacheempfunden sein.

Daher würde ich gerne wissen, wie lange es dauert, bis wir höhere Gebäude bauen können.

Aussderm noch eine Sache, die euch einiges an Arbeit ersparen könnte: Die Tischler können vielleicht endlich Einrichtungsgegenstäde bauen, wenn sie die Meisterstufe erreichen.

So denn,

Feuerklinge

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:32 pm

@Brendan: You can buy gem grinders for 1000 gold.
@Sturm: Mit höheren Gebäuden siehts im moment schlecht aus. Sie verdecken zu viel. Sobald es aber zinnen gibt, könnte ich einen turm mit einem zwischenboden und einem Dach anbieten.
Ich vermute allerdings in der "Fantasy" gibt es mehr als einen Oberkleriker

Problem mit den einrichtungsgegenständen: man kann sie nicht bewegen, und sie verrotten nicht. Wenn ich dann an Zeiten zurückdenke, wo das komplette Dungeon mit Taschen belegt war, und mir das dann mit möbeln vorstelle, sehe ich da probleme.

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 8:54 pm

Da ist mann dan leider auf die Spieler angewiesen, das sie die umwelt sauberhalten....man könnte ja noch rottende plätze wie eine Müllhalde bauen.....Währe ne idee....

Srimmt, mit demm Obberkleriker....ich meinte den auch der Chronik der Drachenlanze.......

Vier tunnelartige eingänge und einen Raum darüber....Okay wenn wir zinnen haben sieht das schon besser aus....Nich so bäuerlich

Greetings......

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Wed Apr 18, 2001 11:51 am

I'd like an estimate for a building I'd like to build for my guild. A 10x10 square building with walls a door. Tiled with parquet. With roof. Plus a gem grinder and a round table with 2 chairs. I'd also like 2 lions heads around the door.

Bror · Post by **Bror** » Wed Apr 18, 2001 1:11 pm

first of all, you need to find a place, where this large building fits in. Trees can be harvested before building.
The price:
25,000 - 100 parquett tiles
20,000 - 100 roof tiles
00,350 - door
01,600 - 4 edges
07,750 - 31 walls
01,000 - gem grinder
00,300 - round table
00,300 - 2 chairs
00,600 - round table
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56,900 gold pieces = 227 silver ingots, 150 gold pieces

Peace Keeper · Post by **Peace Keeper** » Mon Jan 14, 2002 3:32 pm

I'll want a building with my friends. We're currently three players, but I'll find another one soon enough. Also, quick question. In RL, there's usually something in Eng. we call "wholesale" which is basically buy in large amount. For my temple, with the image done on our homepage which the link I believe is in my signature, I have over 100 marquet tiles, and 12 book sholves. In that case, is it possible for me to get a cheaper price?

Peace Keeper · Post by **Peace Keeper** » Mon Jan 14, 2002 4:35 pm

Here's our estimantes:

174 Marble * 400 = 69600 gold coins = 278 Silver 100 Gold coins
200 carpet * 350 = 70000 gold coins = 280 Silver 0 Gold coins
374Roof* 200 = 74800 gold coins = 299 Silver 100 Gold coins
4Edge Wall* 400 = 1600 gold coins = 6 Silver 100 Gold coins
44Normal Wall* 250 = 11000 gold coins = 44 Silver 0 Gold coins
16Window Wall* 300 = 4800 gold coins = 19 Silver 50 Gold coins
5Entrance Wall* 350 = 1750 gold coins = 7 Silver 0 Gold coins
2Gold lionheads* 300 = 600 gold coins = 2 Silver 100 Gold coins
1Stairs* 200 = 200 gold coins = 0 Silver 200 Gold coins
12Book Sholves* 800 = 9600 gold coins = 38 Silver 100 Gold coins

9Water
3Flower
2Statune
2Rocks

16 Sourranding * 200 = 3200 gold coins = 12 Silver 200 Gold coins

Silver Sub total
677 Silver
Coins Sub total
950 Gold coins
Coins -> Silver
950 coins -> 3 Silver 200 Gold coins

Total
976 Silver 200 Gold coins

Our group members now contains 4 people! I've just recruited Andrew Horton. Now the group members are Me(Peace Keeper), Gurdman, Jhereg, and Andrew Horton. The visual layout can be found on our website, and just a little FYI, the water part I don't want roof for, that's why there's only 374 roof.

We currently have 293 + what ever Jhereg is going to give gurdman after he get back from Afghanstan. We'll have just a little under 350 silvers. That means we may have to wait til the build after. I'll see how much silver I can squeeze in. Thanks for your time Bror.

PS: we'd be expceting a small price increment since the price of depot, loom, and NPC's not mentioned.

(Edited by Peace Keeper at 8:37 am on Jan. 14, 2002)