I would like to address to the current quest team that was involved with the Drow kidnappers and inturn forced roleplay of me having Stephen step down as Governor of Trolls Bane. I want to address this because it is high time these players whom are thought of as clever and witty realize they must play fairly and NOT force roleplay on anyone, (meriel included). Please note that this "quest" was not planned out by Meriel nor myself, we just went along with the current.
I am sure anyone who will take the time to read this thread and reply knows what happened ingame, Drow kidnapped Meriel, forcing her to go with them, then wrote to Stephen him to resign from Governor or they will kill her. This was a "quest" but a "quest" with no options. Previously the drow had killed Revlen with 3 arrows, so freeing her in that respect was impossible. Finding her or bribing the drow was also implasible and never given an option as there was never any roleplay done, just demands. So right off the bat it was less a quest and more do what we want or Meriel is pked/perma killed, (would they have gone that far?).
Which comes to my next point, lack of competent seperation of OOC to IC. Is there any reason for this Drow to want Stephen to resign from Governor? They had never met ingame, never shared words, never had any way at all intereaction. There is no IC reason for this and so we must believe that it is OOC players in the quest team want Stephen/me out of power. And so it is not characters playing against characters, it is a character playing against a player and this is not at all what Illarion is all about.
It is too late to make it never happen, but and I do not want the current quest team to be terminated/punished. I just want them to understand that they cannot do such "quests" again in the future. They must play fairly like everyone else and cannot let themselves be so interested in OOC gain to play it out IC and thereby stepping on regular players who earned what they got ingame by playing.
I thank you
Po Stephen
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Garett Gwenour
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from what Ive read, it wasn't really force rp. you could just let her get killed, but that not what your char would do unforunately. I think it was a lame quest if that's what you want to call it, but hey, when we complained about the drow last time, they said they had something planned. Maybe the same applies for this instance too? and please tell me when you said you had something planned, this was it. to force him out of the government.
and out of curiosity, what does Po mean?
and out of curiosity, what does Po mean?
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he's on the gm's naughty list.
kinda ticks me off though. he does a great job of being governor, yet all of sudden, storms desroy and thieves escape, and somehow he gets blamed. they complained with a main reason of "we don't like him" and then we hold an election. when we win, they have a gm kidnap and give Stephen pretty much no choice.
but I guess these times weren't always fair.
kinda ticks me off though. he does a great job of being governor, yet all of sudden, storms desroy and thieves escape, and somehow he gets blamed. they complained with a main reason of "we don't like him" and then we hold an election. when we win, they have a gm kidnap and give Stephen pretty much no choice.
but I guess these times weren't always fair.
Actually. I can see some RP reasons behind this. Before you start bitching and moaning, Let me explain.
This Drow leads The Blackstone cult or whatever it's called. This group is highly disdained due to it's irregard for rules, and it's necromantic affiliation. He leads a group just like him.
Stephen was highly Honor bound, and full of Pride. He followed the rules to the letter, even if he hated to do so. He leads a group of Knights, Honored for their sense of preservation and Romantic tendensies.
Now. Since you can notice that these two powers are Exact oppisites, Think of this as Government vs Anarchists. The blackstone cult are just that, They rebel against the Government on every issue. It would only make sense to blackmail the Governer of a Government you want to destroy? Perhaps a hostile take over is in action. You must look at this the way you took over Trollsbane in the first place. You took it by force. And now it is happening to you. By going with the flow of the RP, you consented to whatever they wished to do, you could have asked for them to stop, and talk it over for a bit OOC about what you saw that was wrong. But you didn't. This shows you did not agree with the RP untill things didn't go your way, As you are bitching about right now.
Now, If you have forgotten so quickly. Please look back to Pendar's riegn. Notice nearly every GM liked Pendar, Yet things happened that were worse than things that have happened to stephen.
Basic Timeline since i have been here.
1. Plants overrun and destroy the town
2. The Pirate Gerard
3. Ian and Dnoi the Golems
4. The Lich war
5. (important here) CAITLIN DIES
6. Pendar Resigns
Deus Gratia
This Drow leads The Blackstone cult or whatever it's called. This group is highly disdained due to it's irregard for rules, and it's necromantic affiliation. He leads a group just like him.
Stephen was highly Honor bound, and full of Pride. He followed the rules to the letter, even if he hated to do so. He leads a group of Knights, Honored for their sense of preservation and Romantic tendensies.
Now. Since you can notice that these two powers are Exact oppisites, Think of this as Government vs Anarchists. The blackstone cult are just that, They rebel against the Government on every issue. It would only make sense to blackmail the Governer of a Government you want to destroy? Perhaps a hostile take over is in action. You must look at this the way you took over Trollsbane in the first place. You took it by force. And now it is happening to you. By going with the flow of the RP, you consented to whatever they wished to do, you could have asked for them to stop, and talk it over for a bit OOC about what you saw that was wrong. But you didn't. This shows you did not agree with the RP untill things didn't go your way, As you are bitching about right now.
Now, If you have forgotten so quickly. Please look back to Pendar's riegn. Notice nearly every GM liked Pendar, Yet things happened that were worse than things that have happened to stephen.
Basic Timeline since i have been here.
1. Plants overrun and destroy the town
2. The Pirate Gerard
3. Ian and Dnoi the Golems
4. The Lich war
5. (important here) CAITLIN DIES
6. Pendar Resigns
Deus Gratia
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You completely missed what I wrote and responded to what everyone else wrote. No where did I say their was a conspiracy against Stephen/me. What I wrote was that there was no other options for Stephen to do because it was not regular character against regular character, it was casual character vs GM powered character.
And I did not bitch, I did not say anyone should get in trouble. I simply said that future actions of this sort should not be condoned or allowed. and I beleive everyone would agree.
Now to argue you to the ground by telling that the Drow roleplay itself is weak. Yes they are apart of the Blackcult, but if anything they would applaud Stephen because of his various war with orcs. And if you did your homework you would know the Drow in this game hate and even want to commit genocide with the orc race. Now tell me, why would the Drow want to ruin a man who has had 3 seperate wars with the orc race they hate so much.
I thank you and hopefully you will not immediately defend your position but instead read and absorb what it written and not take it as an offensive attack on anyone.
And I did not bitch, I did not say anyone should get in trouble. I simply said that future actions of this sort should not be condoned or allowed. and I beleive everyone would agree.
Now to argue you to the ground by telling that the Drow roleplay itself is weak. Yes they are apart of the Blackcult, but if anything they would applaud Stephen because of his various war with orcs. And if you did your homework you would know the Drow in this game hate and even want to commit genocide with the orc race. Now tell me, why would the Drow want to ruin a man who has had 3 seperate wars with the orc race they hate so much.
I thank you and hopefully you will not immediately defend your position but instead read and absorb what it written and not take it as an offensive attack on anyone.
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I agree with Stephen and Xalliar. This whole quest and the drows appearance was unfair, partly forced and overpowered. They sent us a char that works directly against us, a char who has every skill mastered, who even can speak human language and whatelse. The char threatens us, kills our captain, walk around like he wishes, and there is nothing we can do. Either we accept and ignore it, forget all our roleplay and dont let our char do something, or we get killed easily by that Skillmonster.
We have not really a chance.
And the only other char who may have a fairly chance is an other skillpushed Questchar. So this may all be something solved between two pushed questchars.
I think in future we should desist from overpowered godlike questchars, against whom no normal playerchars, group or alone, would have a chance, which behave so extrem and gameinvolved.
And what I also have to say, it seems the drow continued the work and try an other pushed char from the same player tried before. With few roleplayreasons behind. Both tried to get Stephen killed or step down. For me it seems two gm pushed chars got used against any roleplay reasons for the ooc wish to have Stephen step down from leadership ingame. And that from the same single player. His first char wasn't successfull with his cheap show he offered to get Stephen. The next day the drow appears and what surprise, tries the same.
All that questchars did until now were:
-Forcing a playerchar to step down from ingame leadership
-Destroying another player all the fun she had with her char, and causing her the wish not to continue anymore with it.
- Frustrating other players with an overpowering appearance
- Founding a secret evil cult through shouting around the isle that he will found one and than walking in public away with those becomming part of it
- running around at day and night through town with a drow who usually hates the light and also hates the other races and dislike it alot to walk around at day and among other races
We have not really a chance.
And the only other char who may have a fairly chance is an other skillpushed Questchar. So this may all be something solved between two pushed questchars.
I think in future we should desist from overpowered godlike questchars, against whom no normal playerchars, group or alone, would have a chance, which behave so extrem and gameinvolved.
And what I also have to say, it seems the drow continued the work and try an other pushed char from the same player tried before. With few roleplayreasons behind. Both tried to get Stephen killed or step down. For me it seems two gm pushed chars got used against any roleplay reasons for the ooc wish to have Stephen step down from leadership ingame. And that from the same single player. His first char wasn't successfull with his cheap show he offered to get Stephen. The next day the drow appears and what surprise, tries the same.
All that questchars did until now were:
-Forcing a playerchar to step down from ingame leadership
-Destroying another player all the fun she had with her char, and causing her the wish not to continue anymore with it.
- Frustrating other players with an overpowering appearance
- Founding a secret evil cult through shouting around the isle that he will found one and than walking in public away with those becomming part of it
- running around at day and night through town with a drow who usually hates the light and also hates the other races and dislike it alot to walk around at day and among other races
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hrmmm.... i only wonder some strange thing, please correkt me if i err, but is it right that the 3 (megapower) questchars Ephraim, Zaron, and Vladimir all played by the same PO? i have these impression, it seems like they all work together on one united aim (not only against stephan), and actually i see absolutly no quest there for the players.... only these 3 questchars who work for her own goals.... but that doesnt bring any fun for the players....
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No, I can say that they are not all three from the same player.
And William Zarons purpose is simply being a magic teacher like the archmages and also some playerschars now are it. Just that he also teaches those who would usually not be taken by the good hearted magic tutors
And also Ephraim has a goal or purpose which is just not public yet. It is more a secret one.
And William Zarons purpose is simply being a magic teacher like the archmages and also some playerschars now are it. Just that he also teaches those who would usually not be taken by the good hearted magic tutors
And also Ephraim has a goal or purpose which is just not public yet. It is more a secret one.
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*me raises head*
Could some one meassage me when all this BS is sorted out.
I am seriously considering just deleting my account and try to find another game to play. Because frankly I do not want to go on the boards or go IG and have a play by someone else's script, that has content that highly disturbs me.
I am going back to the hole in which I crawlled out of now. Because this game isn't what it was promised to be.
Could some one meassage me when all this BS is sorted out.
I am seriously considering just deleting my account and try to find another game to play. Because frankly I do not want to go on the boards or go IG and have a play by someone else's script, that has content that highly disturbs me.
I am going back to the hole in which I crawlled out of now. Because this game isn't what it was promised to be.
Please stop complaining.
I'm not too clear on what happened, but honestly, if you have a problem with the way a rp was handled, take it up with the PO. There is absolutely no reason to whine in public except to make others take sides. Below everyone's message is a handy little PM button that you should all make use of.
I'm not too clear on what happened, but honestly, if you have a problem with the way a rp was handled, take it up with the PO. There is absolutely no reason to whine in public except to make others take sides. Below everyone's message is a handy little PM button that you should all make use of.
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To clarify my point:
I'm not complaining about what happened concerning Meriel. I asked the PO of the drow to give Meriel a small push back into the right direction (What I meant by that was: Convincing her that love does not exist, especially not for her. Getting her back on the way of a little harlot)
What happened then was a missunderstood between him and me. I'm not complaining, because I agreed on the kidnapping and therewith with what ever consequences it will have. The PO of the drow tried to help me, that's what counts, I think.
That it didn't turn out like I thought it would, is unfortunate and on my behalf rather frustrating, as it is hard for me to play her now. But well, it happened.
It was actually not planned that Meriel get released that fast und actually more actions should have been done
(50 Silver from Stephen, or trade Meriel against Stephen.) - but I've asked for that Meriel is released now, before it is all too late.
The blackmailing to force Stephen to step down was not planned on my behalf.
I'm not complaining about what happened concerning Meriel. I asked the PO of the drow to give Meriel a small push back into the right direction (What I meant by that was: Convincing her that love does not exist, especially not for her. Getting her back on the way of a little harlot)
What happened then was a missunderstood between him and me. I'm not complaining, because I agreed on the kidnapping and therewith with what ever consequences it will have. The PO of the drow tried to help me, that's what counts, I think.
That it didn't turn out like I thought it would, is unfortunate and on my behalf rather frustrating, as it is hard for me to play her now. But well, it happened.
It was actually not planned that Meriel get released that fast und actually more actions should have been done
(50 Silver from Stephen, or trade Meriel against Stephen.) - but I've asked for that Meriel is released now, before it is all too late.
The blackmailing to force Stephen to step down was not planned on my behalf.
I wasn't online the last days, so I only got knowledge about the situation through forums and other players.
But I also think that this "quest" wasn't the best idea! Stephen as the "hidden dictator" of Troll's Bane war a nice plot, which could evolved (Stephen either proves to be a good ruler and gets accepted or as a dictator which leads to a rebellion).
It seems that this new and over-powered Drow has no really strong background for wanting Stephen resigns as Governor. So it is indeed a bit forced RP.
Meriel is free again, so what is this Drow going to do if Stephen just retakes the Governor title?
But I also think that this "quest" wasn't the best idea! Stephen as the "hidden dictator" of Troll's Bane war a nice plot, which could evolved (Stephen either proves to be a good ruler and gets accepted or as a dictator which leads to a rebellion).
It seems that this new and over-powered Drow has no really strong background for wanting Stephen resigns as Governor. So it is indeed a bit forced RP.
Meriel is free again, so what is this Drow going to do if Stephen just retakes the Governor title?
Re: Entirely Unfair.
I will try to write down my thoughts about this.
I can tell you 100% that there is an Ingame reason, and it is not just OOC players against you. I seperate between my characters. The Drow is directly against Stephen, while Ephraim was not, he had other goals, which are not quite evil. Markous, my main character, is even a friend of Stephen, wanting to support him.
Concerning Samantha, I have to say, I find your behaviour absolutely childish, as you try to massively bully me, telling false informations to others via MSN, or trying to provoke me in MSN. You should rather concentrate your energy on your real-life problems, instead of trying to ruin my reputation or make me look bad. Illarion is a game to have fun, and not to show others how frustrated of your own life you are. If this won't stop, I will leave my position from Illarion, as I do not play a game to be yelled at OOC, because someone takes the game too personal. There are many things in RL who are better, then being bullied by a frustrated player. I understand frustration because of situations with Uber-NPCs, but I don't understand constant attack because you have something against me in person.
There is indeed. There are player characters Ingame who interfere with the drow and who work together with him. However, I agree to you, thinking about a player vs. char conspiracy, because right now, there were indeed two of my chars interfering with Stephen.Garett Gwenour wrote:Which comes to my next point, lack of competent seperation of OOC to IC. Is there any reason for this Drow to want Stephen to resign from Governor?
Garett Gwenour wrote:They had never met ingame, never shared words, never had any way at all intereaction. There is no IC reason for this and so we must believe that it is OOC players in the quest team want Stephen/me out of power.
I can tell you 100% that there is an Ingame reason, and it is not just OOC players against you. I seperate between my characters. The Drow is directly against Stephen, while Ephraim was not, he had other goals, which are not quite evil. Markous, my main character, is even a friend of Stephen, wanting to support him.
I agree, and I wish to apologise for everyone who was getting the idea of me, as a player working against Stephen. I agree, this could be thought, but I swear, that this is not the case.Garett Gwenour wrote:And so it is not characters playing against characters, it is a character playing against a player and this is not at all what Illarion is all about.
Concerning Samantha, I have to say, I find your behaviour absolutely childish, as you try to massively bully me, telling false informations to others via MSN, or trying to provoke me in MSN. You should rather concentrate your energy on your real-life problems, instead of trying to ruin my reputation or make me look bad. Illarion is a game to have fun, and not to show others how frustrated of your own life you are. If this won't stop, I will leave my position from Illarion, as I do not play a game to be yelled at OOC, because someone takes the game too personal. There are many things in RL who are better, then being bullied by a frustrated player. I understand frustration because of situations with Uber-NPCs, but I don't understand constant attack because you have something against me in person.
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Instead of paying attention to what i wrote you start insulting me and write such stupid things. Can't you be professional enough to discuss it? i think you are the one frustrated because not everyone loves your roleplay and because there are players who don't like what you do and did. And you are also the one having a problem, or shall i remind you on how you insulted me more than one time over msn because of nothing?
Grow up, lad
Grow up, lad
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Oh come on. Not to degenerate here, but Samantha, you are ABSOLUTELY FAMOUS for constantly complaining. At least half of the questing crew has expressed frustration that they cannot accomplosh a single thing without a complaint from you. In fact, I can't remember you ever saying anything positive towards any of the quests that have been done with time from our lives to try to help you have some fun in this game. Like Markous said, it's a game and it's supposed to be fun, but constant complaints like yours make it more like a second job than a game, and more than one of us is considering leaving because of it.
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Than you should pay more attention as i did that more than often. it is not my problem when you just see when i write criticism but ignore it when i write something otherI can't remember you ever saying anything positive towards any of the quests that have been done with time from our lives to try to help you have some fun in this game
. maybe you want just to see my criticism so that youself can complain about a player who not just tell you how greta you are, but also what could be done different or better.
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i havent complained, just expressiod my feeling about it.
could we please stop being offtopic and going back to the true topic? if you wish to yell at me use the pm's.
And Daashi. please stay. don't leave because of one ingame happening that went wrong. there are many more. better ones you will surely like and enjoy =).
Give Illarion another chance, and don't leave because of that
could we please stop being offtopic and going back to the true topic? if you wish to yell at me use the pm's.
And Daashi. please stay. don't leave because of one ingame happening that went wrong. there are many more. better ones you will surely like and enjoy =).
Give Illarion another chance, and don't leave because of that
yes. back on topic.
I don't believe it was force rp or anything, I just don't like the quest, and don't think it was a good idea.
and the drow as I have said before is a really overpowered bully, and theres isn't anything we can do about it, but they said they were going somewhere with it, and I'll take their word.
what else... oh, and the guy with the white haired kid avatar, you left out alot of things in your timeline....alot. and I don't remember anything happening with pendar. in fact, I didn't know he was governor until he stepped down. he didn't do anything, nothing happened to him. he was just.....there.
I don't believe it was force rp or anything, I just don't like the quest, and don't think it was a good idea.
and the drow as I have said before is a really overpowered bully, and theres isn't anything we can do about it, but they said they were going somewhere with it, and I'll take their word.
what else... oh, and the guy with the white haired kid avatar, you left out alot of things in your timeline....alot. and I don't remember anything happening with pendar. in fact, I didn't know he was governor until he stepped down. he didn't do anything, nothing happened to him. he was just.....there.
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