Food / Essen

[Misjbar]

I think they are just fine, considering they will have a future use in potions and such, therefor not really intended directly for eating.

[Estralis Seborian]

Fellow Illarionites, please focus on topic. This is not about the magic or cooking system, just the eating system

In order to provide some informations, here's a list of how many things you have to eat until you are "stuffed":

Grapes: 16
Apples: 16
Ham: 4
Bread: 4
Mulligan: 2.29
Strawberry cakes: 2

You can help me alot by writing down what you think would be good numbers. In principle, I plan the following:

• Reducing the food value of fruits
• Make the food value of all items different from each other (currently, lots of them are equal)
• The food value will depend on the required skill to cook the stuff
• The food value of dishes will exceed the food value of its components
• The food value of processed food will be much higher than now

Like, I plan that you have to eat ~1 of the best dishes to get stuffed while you have to eat dozends of apples. For all those who love realism, try to survive eating apples only...

[Aristeaus]

if i here about one more mage skill reduction i may just have to kill Arist.

now enough of that before i kill someone. and Arist shut up danm you, before i murder death kill you

I wub you Athy

And who says i dont have a mage

[Llama]

1) I'm sure that if you give us a list of foods, and how hard they are to obtain, we can help more...

2) Mages =/= Cooks, I would remove the spell used to create food *hides from Athien*

[Misjbar]

I would stuff a cookie up in places that rarely see sunlight, preferably somewhere with you.

Anyhow, I think that is irrelevant. As said, you could remove the more luxurous foods from the mages, but I do not see anything wrong with summoning them. Any normal person can have more fruits in the same amount of time that it takes a mage to summon fruits. Seems silly to remove the spell. The more advanced spell could allow some tweaking though.

[Belgram]

Breads rolls should be done in twos like sausages and give more than bread.

[Poots]

thought this isn't important, It would make sense that cakes aren't eaten i one bite, and can be put onto a plate like beer onto a mug or something like that.

[Estralis Seborian]

Please, I really like you guys and what you write is intelligent and stuff, but please, do discuss about the creation of food in another topic.

I am aware that the problems one has to create food should affect the food value, but for this discussion, take the ways one can obtain food as given the way they are.

[Quinasa]

if i here about one more mage skill reduction i may just have to kill Arist.

now enough of that before i kill someone. and Arist shut up danm you, before i murder death kill you

I wub you Athy

And who says i dont have a mage

Boys boys, theres plenty of me go to around!

When I stop and think about it, I've only eaten a handful of different food items in game. Apples are a little low, I think, as are legs of pork. Aside from that, what I've experienced is fine.

[Poots]

Please, I really like you guys and what you write is intelligent and stuff, but please, do discuss about the creation of food in another topic.

I am aware that the problems one has to create food should affect the food value, but for this discussion, take the ways one can obtain food as given the way they are.

I'm confused though, what are you going for? realism? less r for cooks? or the most logical to make the game hard...er?

[falco1029]

Fellow Illarionites, please focus on topic. This is not about the magic or cooking system, just the eating system

In order to provide some informations, here's a list of how many things you have to eat until you are "stuffed":

Grapes: 16
Apples: 16
Ham: 4
Bread: 4
Mulligan: 2.29
Strawberry cakes: 2

In my opinion, it should be as follows:

Grapes: 20
Apples: 12
Ham: 3
Bread: 2
Mulligan: 1
Strawberry cakes: 1.5


I know I lowered apples, but you shouldnt have to search for the longest period of time in the wild just to stay aliv,e it isnt very fun. To balance things, maybe make cut apple trees les slikely to regrow, so that will help control how many apple trees are around, and how easy it is to get apples.

[Avareniah]

I know I lowered apples, but you shouldnt have to search for the longest period of time in the wild just to stay aliv,e it isnt very fun. To balance things, maybe make cut apple trees les slikely to regrow, so that will help control how many apple trees are around, and how easy it is to get apples.

You clearly are not a forester at all. With the number of trees I plant, in the same area no less, I can assure you, the apple trees die willingly enough. If someone wasn't running around replanting the trees every time one dies, I think you'd change your mind. Just because you don't see much time where there are a shortage of apple or cherry trees does not mean that it isn't there. And it takes hours some days just to replenish those that have been cut down - not even plant them anywhere new.

[falco1029]

I know I lowered apples, but you shouldnt have to search for the longest period of time in the wild just to stay aliv,e it isnt very fun. To balance things, maybe make cut apple trees les slikely to regrow, so that will help control how many apple trees are around, and how easy it is to get apples.

You clearly are not a forester at all. With the number of trees I plant, in the same area no less, I can assure you, the apple trees die willingly enough. If someone wasn't running around replanting the trees every time one dies, I think you'd change your mind. Just because you don't see much time where there are a shortage of apple or cherry trees does not mean that it isn't there. And it takes hours some days just to replenish those that have been cut down - not even plant them anywhere new.

well excuse me for not watching the forests...

Then alright, dont reduce the chance, just have avareniah stop planting stuff

[Avareniah]

...Don't tempt. O.O

[Llama]

Ham is all too easy to obtain, and plus you get a bonus of leather and skill..

Ham should be 5 at least... or more

Fish however, should be 4

[Arameh]

By the way fishes are easier than hams to get when you have a fair fishing skill.

[Poots]

as is ham easier to get than fish if you have a fair fighting skill.

[Gro'bul]

Fish however, should be 4

6 trouts, 4 salmon I think is good though. You have a decent chance to loose your fishing rod too. Fishes are also very heavy.

[Llama]

By the way fishes are easier than hams to get when you have a fair fishing skill.

And bread is easier to get if you have a fiar cooking skill

NO seriously, getting fish is a WHOLE new skill... fighting isn't... so if you're trainign fishing...

And fish ARE very heavy.. 20 or so weight you down... a lot

[Estralis Seborian]

OK, I am almost done. The food value of most dishes will rise alot while some fruits and other stuff goes down - the more work you spend for food, the more food value.

I also noticed that you can cook / bake everything when having a comparable low skill. I am thinking about changing that - not to make Illarion a harder game, but to add a challenge, add a reward for a higher skill and to justify the massive rise in food value for harder dishes. What do you think about this?

Note: Many things will still be cookable with low or intermediate skills, but not all. This might make you feel... pissed I guess

[Poots]

though I have no cooking chars, that does sound entirely reasonable, and I don't see how it got that way, or why you shouldn't change it.

[Gro'bul]

What do you think about this?

Great, my char fails the harder dishes 95% of the time anyway.

[Estralis Seborian]

Great, my char fails the harder dishes 95% of the time anyway.

Well, I think this goes out to the one who scripted the rates of success. With "harder" I mean in the first place the minimum skill required.

Edit: 13/20 in a small test - seems to be fair.

[Gro'bul]

LOL, you misunderstood the context of my statement. I was being literal, I meant that I really liked the idea. I meant there was little point in my char even being able to attempt these items because of his low skill, since they failed so much.

[Estralis Seborian]

Since it is not reasonable to change the food value without changing the way food is produced, I am also working on that. There will be some new food items soon, so be prepared.

I found out that there are some strange things about cooking, like the need for a bucket in the belt. Also, we have pans as items, I can think about using them for some dishes in addition to the spoon. Any comments on that?

[Isilwen]

Pans for certain items such as meat (sausage, and maybe actually needing to cook fish ) would be good I think, to be used over a fire with a spoon. Also, do we really need spoons for bread? I make bread quite often in RL and have never use a spoon while doing so

And finally, though this is probably already known, the new deer and rabbit meat come up as "unknown food item" when one tries to use them.

[Djironnyma]

Bei 120 kcal die ne flasche bier hat sollte das auch sättigen...

[Llama]

Cooking fish?

There already is "Fish steaks" and anyway, lizards wouldn't have cooked them before eating...