Invisables

Ereaes · Post by **Ereaes** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:11 am

Warrning to those who still use the old client such as myself. THe wolf's graphic does not appear, so when you start getting attacked by what appears noting, dont try to run the thing is to blooming quick. Ctrl click on your surrounds and best of luck. I was felled twice by a wolf, it killed me because i did not see it, then it somehow followed me to the cross even though i was ghosted and attacked again. And again i fell. I managed to defeat it at the cross, but come on, followed me after i was crossed??

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:16 am

yeah i have managed this fine. I do not want the old client to be put away, we can still play even if we cannot see the awesome new graphics. It just isnt fair that some computers of ours/graphic cards are not good enough to play a free game...

Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:39 am

Well, I know how unfair it seems for any of us who don't have the computer specs to play Illarion on the java client. It has been working fine for my so far mostly, but I know I would be enormously irked if it didn't, too.

However, even if that were the case, I think the developers have good reason to keep discouraging use of the old client. By far, it's not because we'd ever want to leave anyone behind at all. There are tons of good players who are still in this dilemma. But if we're always leaving an extra tail behind for the technical problems of just a few players, it can essentially keep Illarion's entire development stagnant, always in some little way. It won't ever grow and get even further ahead. I really don't like saying it that way at all, but I really think it's the truth in a lot of different ways.

I know this could play out as a very useless question, but as always, is there anything we could do to help you guys (^^'' ??

Ereaes · Post by **Ereaes** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:46 am

See thats just it. Im not sure why it wont run on my comp. Most likely because it is out of date, though i only got it a couple of years back. Perhaps i simply dont have the resources on this comp. *sigh*

IM pretty much screwed in the most part i belive. I have been playing for years, only to be put down by the new client. *double sigh*

Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:06 am

I had plenty of trouble with it when the client first came out, actually. It actually took quite some time before I really got it running smoothly, I think. I could still use the old client, of course, but I was really bent on getting the new java client to run by any means necessary. I knew I'd either have to do it sooner or later, or face losing Illarion forever

. The latter is not acceptable, of course.

You should keep having at it, in my opinion. You'll be done with the problem of not being able to use the java client, the jave client is 10x the eye-candy that the old client is, and you won't be eaten alive in the frenzy of invisible hell hounds

. See if you can keep trying and slowly find problem by problem. Your time and effort will be well worth it.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:31 am

There needs to come a time when you should stop and ask yourself, "Is developing Illarion so important as to leave players of the game behind ?"

Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:39 am

I don't know. On one hand, the players are here with the main purpose of being testers for a game that's in its beta stages. On the other hand, players are important in many other ways besides just that.

Ereaes · Post by **Ereaes** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:56 am

As Freddy Mercury said or should i say, sang "the show must go on" Ill work on the thing, mayhap even pm Nop about some of the things.

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:11 am

The new client gives me no end of troubles because my computer is so slow. However... I won't go back to the old client. No way. It is *very* worthwhile if you can get it to work. And not just because of invisible wolfies... it's just so much easier in general, not to mention being windowed.

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:19 am

Garett Gwenour wrote:It just isnt fair that some computers of ours/graphic cards are not good enough to play a free game...

Sorry?

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:25 am

Garett Gwenour wrote:There needs to come a time when you should stop and ask yourself, "Is developing Illarion so important as to leave players of the game behind ?"

Definitly.
The thing is: If you're using such a damn old computer, it's really your fault. You can make any, ANY computer capable of running the java client that is not older than, say, 7 years and if you spend about 20 bucks for a new graphics card.
That's it.

Martin

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:27 am

The current minimum specs for Illarion are pathetic. I beat it by a mile, and guess what? My computer is already horribly out of date. It hasn't seen an upgrade for years. If you use such an old computer, do NOT expect it to run much.

Adano Eles · Post by **Adano Eles** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:20 am

The old client is a programmers nightmare. The very way it was programmed had to make it become useless one day. Face it, it's obsolete and won't be developed any further. It served it's purpose for a long time but now it's over. Everything comes to an end. Nothing lasts forever. The age of the old client is over.

Crothu Inkathurg · Post by **Crothu Inkathurg** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:19 pm

I have noticed this wih a couple items to like leather.

Nalzaxx · Post by **Nalzaxx** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:48 pm

Also, but correct me if Im wrong, but use of the new client further and further into the future opens up more and more possibilities for abuse.

There is already some small abuse problems with being able to make things at lower levels in the old client?

Im sure this could easily apply to other area's.

But Yesh, lets not leave the entire town guard unable to play :p

martin · Post by **martin** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:37 pm

Nalzaxx wrote:Also, but correct me if Im wrong, but use of the new client further and further into the future opens up more and more possibilities for abuse.

There is already some small abuse problems with being able to make things at lower levels in the old client?

This is SERVER side only and has nothing to do with the client.

Martin

Japheth · Post by **Japheth** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:10 pm

There needs to come a time when you should stop and ask yourself, "Is developing Illarion so important as to leave players of the game behind ?"

The thing is, if you're using the old client, you really aren't playing the game. You're playing a rip off, or a simulacrum. My computer is 3 years old, and yet it manages to run the game. I had to spend a long time tweaking various options to get it running, but eventually it payed off.

Dónal Mason · Post by **Dónal Mason** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:29 pm

My computer is older and I can play it without any problems at all.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:21 pm

My computer is 2002 and it does not run illarion's new client. It runs all other java games with ease.

Llama · Post by **Llama** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:48 pm

Also trollsbane's trees don't show.. well some of em anyway...

Hmm, if you use the _ under the characters, will it show for invisable wolves?

martin · Post by **martin** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:32 am

Garett Gwenour wrote:My computer is 2002 and it does not run illarion's new client. It runs all other java games with ease.

You didn't try hard enough.

Ereaes · Post by **Ereaes** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:53 am

Aye i agree that illa needs to be continually made better, i have no quarl with that fact. I simply need to get someone more technically inclined then myself to aid me in this pursuit. But then again i am due for a new computer anyhow. So Either way ill get the new client up and running (i hope).

Miklorius · Post by **Miklorius** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:36 pm

Besides there are some usability features I miss from the old client (navigation in containers via the already implemented symbols - mouse scrolling is annyoing -, buttons for the counter, showing of character ID of known characters...), the new client is all over just better (although I quite hate Java)!
Damn, the old client has a horrible "scrolling"

!

But that is no consolation for the players where the new software doesn't work. And it seems quite a few "old birds" have that problem...
So, carpe diem and get some better hardware for a few bucks.

PS: Would it speed up the new client if some of that "fancy" SFX could be disabled, e.g. the fade-effects?

Aurica Zaltana · Post by **Aurica Zaltana** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:00 pm

martin:
Garett Gwenour: My computer is 2002 and it does not run illarion's new client. It runs all other java games with ease.
You didn't try hard enough.

Thank you, Martin, for that delightfully useful bit of info. Care to explain why most (meaning all others besides Illarion) Java games will work, but this one won't?

If you call "not trying hard enough" Technical Support, you've got some serious learning to do.

Imaginary TS call to Martin:

User: I can't get the new client for Illarion to run.
Martin: *silence*
User: Hello?
Martin: What do you want?
User: How can I get Illa to run again?
Martin: Drivers, maybe.
User: I already updated all of my drivers, downloaded the newest version of Java, and this computer is one week old.
Martin: *silence*
User: Well?
Martin: Well, what?
User: Any ideas why Illa isn't running?
Martin: You didn't try hard enough.
*CLICK*

Daashi · Post by **Daashi** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:37 pm

martin wrote:
Garett Gwenour wrote:My computer is 2002 and it does not run illarion's new client. It runs all other java games with ease.
You didn't try hard enough.

Your one of those computer freaks that treat everyone that doesn't have an equal or puperior knowledge of computer jargon, programming hardware, and software shit, like brain-damaged children, aren't you?

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:21 pm

What a nice way to address one of the most important if not the most important person on the development team. And to your question, no he isn't. He's a programmer thats helping bring this wonderful game to your computer and he's sick of being asked the same thing a thousand times. Its been said in other posts on the forum that the new client should work on even older computers. It just needs some tweaking. So tweak, people.

Click !!!~here~!!! to see what specs other people have and when you find someone who has close to what you have send them a PM and ask them how they got it to work.

This is a free game, guys. Free game. They try to cater to everyone's needs but sometimes in order to move forward people have to cater to their own needs. The devs that work on the project are totally devoted to helping make the game playable and offering it to the public for free. Martin can't give you all the answers, so ask around. There are more Devs that GMs I think, and even players are willing to help out someone in need of assistance, because we all value eachother as much as the Devs do. Don't take this the wrong way, the Devs want you all to play, but they want to improve the game too. Try to help yourselves before you ask for help from them.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:22 pm

Aurica Zaltana wrote:
martin:
Garett Gwenour: My computer is 2002 and it does not run illarion's new client. It runs all other java games with ease.
You didn't try hard enough.
Thank you, Martin, for that delightfully useful bit of info. Care to explain why most (meaning all others besides Illarion) Java games will work, but this one won't?

If you call "not trying hard enough" Technical Support, you've got some serious learning to do.

Imaginary TS call to Martin:

User: I can't get the new client for Illarion to run.
Martin: *silence*
User: Hello?
Martin: What do you want?
User: How can I get Illa to run again?
Martin: Drivers, maybe.
User: I already updated all of my drivers, downloaded the newest version of Java, and this computer is one week old.
Martin: *silence*
User: Well?
Martin: Well, what?
User: Any ideas why Illa isn't running?
Martin: You didn't try hard enough.
*CLICK*

And may I mention that the game already WORKS on Garett's computer, after some of his own tweaking? HE really did not try hard enough in this case.

Rinya · Post by **Rinya** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:35 pm

I am sure, what Martin means to say in Martinish is that, "Many who are now using the javaclient have had trouble before, and now fixed their problems with just a little bit of tweaking. Therefore it should not be extremely difficult for you to try some more as well. If others have been able to find a solution then there surely is a chance that you can be helped too. You should try to ask around, and do not give up. The javaclient can work with most household computes now. It will be beneficial to keep trying. Especially because Illarion will stay very stagnant if the developing staff continues to cater to the ones who still have not tried to play on the javaclient, and we must get rid of the old client because of this. Please keep trying, for the sake of you and the Illarion developing team."

Martin likes to keep things simple.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:13 pm

Here was my problem...
when i played old client and then went to the new client a would get a blank white screen
somehow for some reason i cannot play both clients because the old client corrupts the new. so yeah i figured it out no thanks to anyone, but i think maybe it is only me who gets this glitch.

Quinasa · Post by **Quinasa** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:15 pm

But you figured it out, thats the point. Thank you for posting that, now other people can check and see if that's their problem too! ;]