A noobish Hello.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:20 am

Note: Keep in mind that some players will respond to it positivly. But, based on my opinion, you should atleast see how another player is. If one is mean and insane, they should be avoided. It all depends on your Character's personality.

I'd like to inform all players that walking up to a complete stranger (or PO friend for that matter) and introducing yourself (even with proper IC chat) is a poor show on your side.

Here is an IC view example.
On several occasions people walk up to little capus and say: "Hello. My name is blah"

Now, picture yourself, an abused 10 year old walking down a street, and some total stranger bending down and introducing themselves. Would you feel unsafe? If someone did that to me (age 12 mind you) i would feel unsafe, and picture a kidnapper or rapist. Ect. But by capus he would imagine another Thalgul.

For those still not getting the picture, if you walk down the halls of a school, and someone drops their books. You help them pick them back up. You two start talking and eventually ask for each other's names.

Did i say, someone drops their books. You walk up to them and say: "Hi! my name is bob. Do you need help." if you did that, i garuntee the person saying: "no, im fine."

In other words:
Mind your own buisness until you get into a conversation.
(hint: Conversations are sparked by RP. E.g. a quest, or player action. A accused thief would get into a conversation of defending himself, and a town official would ask for that person's name.)

Just handing out a friendly reminder,
Joshua

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:00 pm

That would be your way of looking at it and should in no way be constrewed as a guideline for new players. In the past, I have seen many good roleplays started by a simple random introduction. Just because a situation is awkward doesn't guarantee its failure. It is, like all other methods of play, a form of interaction and will produce a result of RP, as long as both parties express how their character would feel. If your character would feel paranoid, so be it, but there are plenty of characters who would not feel so apprehensive about someone walking up and striking a conversation. While I agree that a child being introduced to by a stranger would likely make the child feel awkward, it is also your responsibility as a roleplayer to ensure that the other person understands that they are looking at some 10/12 year old child, rather than a 20-something citizen.

-Eric

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:02 pm

Exelent point.

I cant really comeback that, so i will indeed post a warning in the post.

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:04 pm

I'm glad that you see my point. I felt at first that my post might have come off as a bit harsh-sounding, which was not really my intention. Good to see there are still people around that understand clarification and criticism.

..Speaking of criticism.. I really need to start playing again.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:08 pm

mm. You cought me in a good mood. I know im not exactly the #1 roleplayer myself, so listening to others that are would be on my priority list.

And yes, it would be nice to see some more exsperience ingame ^-^

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:10 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:mm. You cought me in a good mood. I know im not exactly the #1 roleplayer myself, so listening to others that are would be on my priority list.

And yes, it would be nice to see some more exsperience ingame ^-^

Who says I'm a #1 Roleplayer? Bwahahaha. I wouldn't quite call myself the best, but I do have a lot of experience backing me too. I think I'll try to make an appearance tomorrow.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:33 pm

You know Ziel... what you wrote there makes a lot of sense.

It happend a dozen of times to me that private conversations get disturbed by some random guy walking up and saying "Hey, I'm XYZ. How are you?". I usualy respond with a "#me stops to whisper and looks up rather annoyed "Can I help you?" " or something like that.

There might be people running around bumping into two people whispering with each other just to shout "Hey, I'm Tim!" but a lot of people are doing that on Illarion and I ponder if all of them would do the same in RL. Not checking whom they might talk to and just starting to talk.

Imagine:

2 dark claded figures in the back of an alley, whispering to each other.

Another person, an elf, walks up and exclaims cheerfully: "Greetings, kind sirs! My name is Gardiel and I am new to this island!"

The two glance at each other then smirk while readying their daggers "Oh hello, I think we can help you sir..."

That'd be rather...naive in my eyes, yet it happens everyday in game.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:11 pm

You know, im not as bad at Rp now as i was with Joshua

and yes, that does prove my point. And some peoople try talking to orcs that way, it is quite funny

Cain Freemont · Post by **Cain Freemont** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:26 pm

But the main focus should not be on avoiding such salutations and introductions. The point I was trying to get at (its too early in the morning for me to process thought 100% clearly) is that a player should size-up the situation (location, environment, characters in area, etc.) and make a judgment based on that. The original post simply seemed to be completely denying the usefulness of such boisterous salutations (which I'm sure isn't 100% accurate to his message), so I was trying to clarify what was said a bit, while offering my own points.

And from what I hear, Ziel, you're not half bad at roleplaying. I'll look forward to seeing you ingame sometime.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:09 pm

In other words:
Mind your own buisness until you get into a conversation.
(hint: Conversations are sparked by RP. E.g. a quest, or player action. A accused thief would get into a conversation of defending himself, and a town official would ask for that person's name.)

Imagine everyone taking up your theory? Imagine days with only newbies ingame. No one would try to get a conversation/RP going, thus, no RP happening. I would really try to put this otherwise.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:31 pm

Write actions and describe how your character looks around and maybe watches some people from the distance for a while. Then if you get some response like you see two merchants obviously talking about buisiness you can decide whether you let your character bump into them and say hello, or maybe you see two dubious figures whispering secretly and think it'd be better if you do not draw attention on yourself.

It's a roleplaying game. Another thing I noticed (but that might boost this thread off-topic) is that most people don't give a lot of descriptions about their characters like, what they wear, scars, eye and hair colour and stuff. That's a hint for other players to decide whether they'll try to interact with you or not and also enriches roleplay because you can imagine how the characters look like, better.

And Cain, I think I understand what you mean and I agree with it.
I am pretty sure Ziel didn't complain about the situation itself (someone walks up to someone else and saying "Hi, I'm Bob"). This may happen of course and maybe be the beginning of some interresting roleplay.
It's just - well that's my opinion - that I don't think half of Illarions population should run around sheeply like that... some might be a bit brighter than telling ever stranger their name, you know.

Perhaps some are doing it on purpose playing a naive character who most likely greet the wrong people sooner or later and will get into trouble then... that's fine with me.

It's just that I don't think everyone got that in mind when introducing to someone else this way.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:52 pm

Yes. I didnt say QUEST ONLY.

Interesting RP is brought up by RP. Somone carring a large axe around, scanning everyone in sight is sure to bring up something, would it not?

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:14 pm

Ziel Oden wrote: Interesting RP is brought up by RP. Somone carring a large axe around, scanning everyone in sight is sure to bring up something, would it not?

Yeah... "Greetings sir! Do you sell pig leather and pork?"

I still don't know how some of the people my char talks to every day look like.. and I'm thinking about cutting my "He is an average sized human with black hair brown eyes and tiny pieces of sawdust all across his woolen clothing" phrase and just be one of the dull "Hello, I'm fine. Self? Alright, bye" people aswell.

I do try to describe what I'm doing at some spot if someone runs past me, but most of the time:
.) The person rushed out of the screen before I got the #me ready
.) The person reads the message but rushes out of the screen anyway :p

At least a quick "walks quickly and obviously in hurry" or some "glances briefly at the man but turns away without interrest and rushes on"
wouldn't be too much to ask, would it

?

It doesn't have to lead to interaction between two characters all the time, rather some words for the players behind to see what others are doing and to keep everyone away from being bored.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:48 pm

well, sometimes it requires to be assertive.

Greetings sir! *places hand on shoulder*
Erm, im kinda in a hurry
Non-sence! Please come with me and lets chat over a pint.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:52 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:well, sometimes it requires to be assertive.

Greetings sir! *places hand on shoulder*
Erm, im kinda in a hurry
Non-sence! Please come with me and lets chat over a pint.

That's what I call "forced roleplay"

But yeah, might be the only solution... although people should think that those people blasting off cascades of #me's and trying to roleplay with others that way are just normal players aswell who could just sit back and relax and simply react on the things happening aswell.

Yet that way the whole game would become quite dull, everyone waiting for someone else to make the first move. And not to get me wrong I'm not talking about the "Hey! I'm Bob!" way of approach, but something with a bit more... style.

Sidrat · Post by **Sidrat** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:04 pm

I'm so new to these boards and well I haven't got in game yet, but there's plenty on these two pages alone for me to think about my first character.

Great stuff guys. In real life waiting at the bus stop can either be the biggest bore or a great time killer. Indeed I've met some quite interesting and very occasionally attractive people and started talking to them. It's not a skill people are born with, or if it is, it is something they lose all too quickly (for good reasons in the main).

Every meeting requires an ice breaker to begin a conversation and the fewer sharp edges are present the better it can be, but I will bear all that I've read in mind and try not to forget it.

Look for a relatively interesting character called (hopefully) Sidrat Custodes.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:34 am

And what if someone is roleplaying a very outgoing and strange character that just goes around introducing himself? There are people in the real world that go around introducing themselves to random people. And I seem to be extra random or something because they always pick me to introduce themselves to...

Devrah Windslasher ~ · Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:48 am

Guys, this thread is like 6 months old.

Papoitsi · Post by **Papoitsi** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:54 am

Sidrat...Tardis? heheh...
Welcome to Illarion, Tardis!

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