Druidry and the physical arts

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 9:07 pm

Hello,
An improved druidry magic system would be grea,t I know your all having troubles so take this as you will.

If a Druid arts system that aloud herbs to be mixed without the needs for books and specific recipes would be great, for instance mixing strawberries,sand berries bulbsponge AND red heads would make a superhealing potion with magical powers:) this can be used for magic to, a yeg-rah-kel would be a pinful medium fireball that paralises.
More herbs would be nice to
Direct application of some herbs to heal certain injuries, for example when the knockout feature is employed a powerful smelling herb might bring a man to. and finally a physical arts system, much like zen and monk type working with the body soul and pressure points, this would be great for people to make a job out of being a healer, please think this through.

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 9:17 pm

Ive taken a look at the vocations, and it would seem they are not having any trouble.

Magic and Vocations is (seemingly) all ready set and fine.
Each all ready also have "unique" abilities that makes them now different from the others.
Smelling type potions (might be used for repeling animals or something) would be great, just like if a cleric had a ammulet that repels evil creatures.

As for potions to do mage magic, that be interfrering with anothers specialty.... making it unbalanced. Then you will have to make it all mixed, and there would be no uniqueness.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 10:25 pm

well, a Monk would be nice. bare hands anad feet, and special consentration books, instead of magic a efence consentration, atack consetration, accuracy concentration, agility consentration. i say no more than 2 consentrations can be in effect at once. the most weapons tehy could use effectivly is a Bow(not bow and arrow, i mean the stick)brass nuckles, something on those like.
jsut my ideas

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 12:00 am

cleric=monk
warlock=evil monk

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Sun Oct 13, 2002 7:07 am

Martial Arts have been suggested.

I think my icon over there <---- had some influence in it

#me grins

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:10 pm

Druid potions cant do mage magics you misunderstand....and where the hell did martial arts come from? lol.
I MENT that there could be newer ways to mix potions, differant types of potions and more ways for spells to, the pressure point thing is for healing (ask any chinese hermit monk) sure it could be used to a kill a man in one shot, but how if hes wearing full knights clothes?

Khanor Faenohan · Post by **Khanor Faenohan** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 10:22 pm

And monks could nor fight, or be fought, unless by other monks, and should a monk steak he becomes evil somehow or other, and a good monk may be hired to fight the evil one for the victim of the theft!

Sorry, just an idea, i know it would be difficult to do and all, just had to voice it

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 12:18 am

As I have all ready said, ive taken a look at the Volcations, and all the SPELLS are set. Druid Magic and Bard magic are different, and the "spells" are for warlocks and mages if you will. Druids stick to Druidtry and Alchemy type items. Smelling potion can be good, effect one in battle.... like lizzardmen are extra sensitive... sence warmth and movement, that is a advantage of life "prey detection", but can lead in battle to suffer from "the irritation of a potions sent". As for a SPELL by a druid, would still be interfering with anothers specialty. Each will have its own way... AND all ready has.
Its best for them (ILLAR. TEAM) to change anything and everything they want, AFTER the new version is released, and problems had, instead of asking, pleading, or guessing for results or contradictorial items.

As for monks....

Just as the world has corrupted citizens and monarchs of its sort, monks, clerics, and such can be corrupted as well. Evil monks can fight, they use their status to gain wealth and selfish needs.. rather than helping.
Monks normally has SELF DEFENCE, pressure points or martial art techniques, but they do not interfer with such items as being hired to kill evil monks. They can assist in providing shelter, heals, and needs. They only fight when they are given no choise, vise versa for evil monks and clerics.
You can choose to be good or bad... but remember, hiring one is kill another would be mercenaries.
Payed to do work is selfish and somewhat bribery if its against your well until you see money.
it gets you greed, and is a bad habbit.
Right then, you are corrupted.
This goes against what a monk and cleric should stand for.. unless you want to be corrupted.

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:39 am

Monks...

It all depends on how you think of them.

If you think of Wai Chane Cain, who was a Shalin Priest ( from the T.V. series Kung Fu with David Karidene (sp?)) he did not initiate fights, but he defended himself quite well.

If you think of Ninja's as monks, they were hired assassins, although I don't think they could be considered Monks in the true sense of the word as the word Monk tends to denote some dedication to some religion.

Then you have Catholic Monks, who would be more like Clerics, which we don't have anyway, and would not fight at all (unless it was/is a Red Monk, but we won't get into that here).

Asian monks (China) would learn to fight so they could protect themselves from warlords (hench the Shalin Priests being bad dudes).

Eurpopean monks (England) on the other hand would not fight at all, there government was supposed to protect them.

Since there is no true government in Illarion, I would suggest any monks be of the self defense type.

martin · Post by **martin** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 6:48 am

european monks do not have to do with fight at all, in no sense. just in contrary.
BTW, it's shaolin, with an o inside.

their aim was to defend themselfes, in principle shaolin monks are peaceful.

martin

Brendan Mason · Post by **Brendan Mason** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 4:29 pm

If any of you have seen Romeo and Juliet, then you'll know that Friar Tucker (a monk) was fat...did no comabt etc...

Rome and Juliet is set (I believe) in the same time line as Illarion, with the same European feel- so there is no point putting monk vocations in.

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 7:04 pm

Brendan, you off about 2hundred years, illarion is more 10th-14th century then 15-16th century:)

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Wed Oct 16, 2002 10:04 pm

my image of a monk in only fighting evil spirits with an incantation, special scroles of magic that must be writen and recited, and self defence, only primitive weaponms, nothing more than a spear or bow and arrow. nothing too advanced.

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 12:33 am

Monks fight with mind, body, spirit, and faith. Settled?

(shao-ling monks) were highly trained monks with high disipline and the arts of attacks is used in defence against theives, raiders, and yes, common warlords. Some even think the "army" is even (equal) or better than the emporer's own elite army is that correct? i dont have much knowledge of their skills comparison. But no, asian monks were not "evil".
But think of it this way:
Your a nasty, womenizing, stealing, evil, ruthless, heartless, thoughtless leader who controls a band of stong barbaric pillaging theif army armed with blades of iron, bronze, and stone...

and you get your butt whipped by monks armed with bamboo sticks.

Simply state your motive, again, some uses their status to gain selfish needs, others always try to help others first. That is the difference in the motives between a good, right monk, and a bad, evil monk in a way. That does not always mean the evil monk commits mass murders or such either.

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 11:58 am

well, mr. Shadow Wraith is it? you havent a clue what a Shaolin Monk is outside of your steven segal and Arnold movies have you?
Shaolin type monks train for many years in orders and temples in the arts, in the olden days this was the ONLY way a monk could learn the martial arts, When the monk has a cleansed spirit and mind he was permitted to leave, and becomes a master eventually setting up his own temple and continuing the cycle, Rarely do sholin type monks waste time by going into cities or on non spiritual journies. There were no armes of monks, and very very rarely were temples controlled by the primitive goverments of the time.
in conclusion,Monks are old highly skilled fighters of the east, who believe in spiritual and physical enlightenment above fighting.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:37 pm

Mannelig, the arent always old, they train to become moks starting around the age of 3-7. and jsut another thought, if we have monks, why not samuri, instead of a night, a palidin and a samuri. they are masters witht eh sword, no magic, sjut a different armor set, cultrue, and type of sword(better forsot part in my opinion, the cultyure doesnt matter though)
just my ideas

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:13 am

Well mr mannelig,
Unfortunely your comments made no direct link to what i have said.
I never stated these monks didnt live in temples, nor that they wondered the streets for fights. If i did, can you please point out where i have in my post that was on Shao-ling and its topic? (other words, not related to Illarion monks and such)
Shao-Ling was the well know monks of great skill in self disipline and martial art techiques, certainly there was others. The Shao-Ling temple was a school for teaching self disipline and martial arts skill, but you can learn other arts of defence or attack from family traditions (from basics to even more advanced arts if your in a "noble family), training in the emporer's army by joining or being recruited, and seeking lone warriors/masters ect... to be their apprentice and such and such.

take a look at your statement:
"Shaolin type monks train for many years in orders and temples in the arts, in the olden days this was the ONLY way a monk could learn the martial arts, When the monk has a cleansed spirit and mind... "

Now what what it that was different from what ive said:
"(shao-ling monks) were highly trained monks with high disipline and the arts of attacks is used in defence "

and as for your:
"in conclusion,Monks are old highly skilled fighters of the east, who believe in spiritual and physical enlightenment above fighting."

to my:
(quote above again)
"Monks fight with mind, body, spirit, and faith"
did it say they used clubs and beat the bad guys?
not at all.

"There were no armes of monks, and very very rarely were temples controlled by the primitive goverments of the time. "

Read my post again and also notice i put the desciption of the group of monks as a army, which is in quotations, a small attempt to not let one thing it was accually an accual army is for, but there are relations.
Again, show me where i mentioned the part where the monks were controled by the goverment?
At those times, all religious groups paced themselves away from the goverment, keeping its own authorities and such as to a extent.

The items the monks used for weapons can be anything, ex. a bo stick for carrying buckets of water.
Shao-ling techiques has been used to aid in fightings against and for dynasties as well.
I do not get my "little knowledge" of Shao-ling monks from movies, infact i havent even seen those movies by the
Arnold and Steven Segal, nor does the name sound familiar.
If you really want to know about what were the Shao-ling monks and what did they do, then research it yourself. My second post was mainly against the comment:

"Asian monks (China) would learn to fight so they could protect themselves from warlords -->(hench the Shalin Priests being bad dudes). "
and extras tagged with it.

Shall you have a problem with that too?

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:55 am

I dont like impleisions, I callit as I see it. It takes years of training tor each the level of higher stature of monks.Samurai are not even monks by any standard, they fought in leather armour with long slightly curved inverted blades.

I've studied many years of history, I can tell you many things.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:50 am

i too have studied the samori and monks. ther is one level of monk, you are one or you arnet. tehy dont fight in teh streets cause they are 99% of teh time in teh monostaries, not temples. temples are just one building all enclosed, monostary is many buildings, a civ. of monks, not too large, lots of open feilds were food is grown and life of the monks, wild animals, insects and such life is peace and harmony. monks never hurt anyone/thing unless in self defence of it is evel. fot gave purposes, they should be able to writwe scroles of purity, enchantments and such. as in restrain evil( like parilize for a mage), a super powered, super acurate punch( maybe only once every half hour or something, and at the cost of your own health or something) thinkgs such as this. they would need paper, a quil, and ink.
samori are master of the sword, can use monk scroles, with a lesser effect and cannot make tehm( anyone can use the monk scroles, with a miminal egffect, but since samori are teh same culture, tehy get a slight bost over a mage, but still much les than a monk). samori are masters of the sword, and in rl, used one of 3 armors maily. jsut plain cloth as seen in samori jack(cartoon network) leather, or something similar to a plate mail set, jsut no enclosed gloves or boots or helmet, tghe real samori armor similar to plate armor is extreamaly close to what Lego did for that series. they use no shield, and no magic. jsut a katana with 2 hands on it for extra power, one hand for dodging mroe easily.( always have those wooden shoes,monks go barefoot usualy, but if shoed, the wooden ones, same for most ancient japanese culture)
think i said everything, will post agian if i didnt.
jsut my ideas

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:54 am

"if we have monks, why not samuri, instead of a night, a palidin and a samuri."

As you can see if you read, he said why not include arts of samuri, since its nothing more than a mounted (sometimes) japanese knight, but as i all ready said, that the team has decided what vocations to use, and they wont be applying anything else till then.

Drogla, if you wish to be a "samurai, then just take a long sword and role play like one for now, if its your style. (later use a fighter in vocations)

Samurai were not primitive, they had armor of metal, wood, and yes, can leather at times, of what they get or afford.
Other than a sword, they had use of bows or even pikes/staffs of sorts.
Just roleplay for now, like i said. No need for a exact train of anything.
As i all ready pointed out the acts of monks, evil or good, you can choose a fighter or what ever you choose and still be a samurai.
Fighter would be the closeset, its more likely (logical) for a samurai warrior to obtain some carpentry to blacksmithing(fixing weapons wise atleast) skills then clerical magic from paladin. (as you said about magic)

Serpardum · Post by **Serpardum** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:17 pm

@Shadow Wraith: My mistake. I keep forgetting that there are a lot of people on these boards where English is not their first language. By "bad dudes" I did not mean evil. I mean that they were someone you would not want to get into a fight with.

"He's bad", "bad dude", "we're bad" is used to mean tough, cool, very good at what we do (why to we use "bad" to mean "good"? No clue). It is an expression of speech.

To interpret myself:
Asian monks (China) would learn to fight so they could protect themselves from warlards --> (hence the Shaolin Priests being very excellant fighters).

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Asian monks (China) would learn to fight so they could protect themselves from warlords -->(hench the Shalin Priests being bad dudes). "
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Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:10 pm

i think that we should have s scrole writer or something still, we can use tehm to send aq message, or magic purposes. that would be good for some people, a druid, a mage out of mana and in the midst of a battle, no tyime to go fishing, mioght have to potions as i never do exept for beer.
jsut my ideas

mannelig_ · Post by **mannelig_** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:35 pm

excuse me? differant types of samurai? your either an alive samurai, or a dead samurai.

Shadow Wraith · Post by **Shadow Wraith** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:16 am

@Serpardum,
-I see, your clerified explaination is noted.

Thankyou.

Drogla · Post by **Drogla** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:27 pm

well, i think that when we chose our title, that should influence what we are known as, and there should be a list of titles that do one thing or another, and anything else leaves you more open to do everythig, rather than jsut one or to things. know what i mean?