RP of Rape / Self-Injury / Violence and stuff.

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:24 am

I guess a discussion would be better here, than spamming the 'quote of the day'-thread with it.

Feraiden · Post by **Feraiden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:24 am

When in doubt, look at the main page.

The own roleplay should follow common moral standards. The play of sexual practices should be restricted to undisturbed places. The play of rape is highly prohibited and leads to a permanent instant server ban. Overplayed violations (tortures, mutilations, executions) are ommited if it's agreed by all participating players.

And that is exactly what we're talking about here, being considerate to others.

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:25 am

Arameh wrote:Tell me 1 person that got tromatized by a game, where we dont even se ti happening. Look, RP sex by example, whats wrong with that?? We dont see anything its text. Thoses that have less than 18 years old?? Some goes on internet for porno videos at 12, illarion wont kill them. I was listening to the worst horror movies when i was 6, you think anyone will cry seeing "#me cuts off a finger"?? I think thats rudiculous.

It's not about roleplaying sex. It's about roleplaying rape.
There are people who have experienced such a thing and I would not want confront any player with it.

The same goes for self-injury, as I've explained already.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:25 am

Rape - autoban. plskthxbi.
Self Injury - Alright in realistic and reasonable portions.
Voilence - Swoot.

Feraiden · Post by **Feraiden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:26 am

Read the second part, it's not just rape that is frowned upon.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:26 am

Ive never seen overplayed mutilation up to now, just cutting himself isnt much, what is forbidden is very precise mutilation in details.

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:27 am

Feraiden wrote:When in doubt, look at the main page.

The own roleplay should follow common moral standards. The play of sexual practices should be restricted to undisturbed places. The play of rape is highly prohibited and leads to a permanent instant server ban. Overplayed violations (tortures, mutilations, executions) are ommited if it's agreed by all participating players.
And that is exactly what we're talking about here, being considerate to others.

Self-Injury isn't inlcuded in that list, just to defend the player who rped it.
But it still isn't necessary, imo.

Feraiden · Post by **Feraiden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:27 am

I would put self-harm among the bottom categories (mutilation, etc).

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:28 am

What about suicide? Very Dramatic roleplay, and not to be used becuase "I got bored" - but in the right situation I think it would be wonderfull roleplaying.

Comments?

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:28 am

Im not sure about Rape, i guess it could be tolerated in very secluded places if both players agrees completely, though i aint sure.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:29 am

Ziel Oden wrote:What about suicide? Very Dramatic roleplay, and not to be used becuase "I got bored" - but in the right situation I think it would be wonderfull roleplaying.

Comments?

Suicide? What about that? I see no reasons it could be forbidden.

Avareniah · Post by **Avareniah** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:31 am

Some people are seeming to think that the problem with self injury and cutting is the violence factor. But that is not the point.

The point is, much like rape, cutting oneself is a real life problem. This is an unhealthy habit that people get into. It is mental problem and should thus be treated with respect.
Things that can be offensive, hurtful, or just plain disrespectful for anyone who might happen to read that rp is wrong. Don't do it. Simple.
If it were only a matter of violence, then it would be acceptable. But it is a sickness and not to be mocked, or even brought into a game, no matter the intentions. You don't know who you're rping with. You don't know their background. Don't do it.

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:33 am

What about suicide? Very Dramatic roleplay, and not to be used becuase "I got bored" - but in the right situation I think it would be wonderfull roleplaying.

Depends entirely on how you roleplay it. I don't want to mention a name, but I was rather disturbed by the roleplay of a woman who wanted to hang herself on the Naldor tree in the middle of the market place.

Avareniah · Post by **Avareniah** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:33 am

Arameh_ wrote:Im not sure about Rape, i guess it could be tolerated in very secluded places if both players agrees completely, though i aint sure.

"Strictly Prohibited"
strictement interdit

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:34 am

Avareniah wrote:"Strictly Prohibited"
strictement interdit

It is an autoban rule.

Pharun Mizzrym · Post by **Pharun Mizzrym** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:39 am

issues such as these should if allowed at all should not be done in public end of story. Openly doing this in public isn't roleplaying its a person intent on the hurting of others, we in our little community should be able to express our views and points without reprocussion. this is true and to each their own style of playing , but it should not be allowed to interupt the rp styles of other s.

Devrah Liioness · Post by **Devrah Liioness** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:47 am

Gwynnether wrote:
What about suicide? Very Dramatic roleplay, and not to be used becuase "I got bored" - but in the right situation I think it would be wonderfull roleplaying.
Depends entirely on how you roleplay it. I don't want to mention a name, but I was rather disturbed by the roleplay of a woman who wanted to hang herself on the Naldor tree in the middle of the market place.

GOD! That was AWFUL! She was doing it in front of a bunch of kids playing in the tree!

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:41 am

I myself think that rape shouldnt be done, though thing slike self mutilation adn such are fine, and should be delt with IC, rather than by GMs. If people.....do stuff where they shouldnt, guards should handle it, not GMs

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:47 am

I am pissed that someone blew this so out of proportion. There was no roleplay rape. There was just someone cutting themselves which I would like to know their punishment, considing the dick swinging/lich raping orc was somehow not as disturbing to anyone, just to the roleplay environment itself. Self pain like cutting yourself, like any other aspect of roleplay can be beautifully done in it's own way. I myself would think it is something done likely in a secretive place unless the character does it in public to prove a point.
I will take it a step further, numerous times, my character Jacob Kent cuts his hands so he gives blood to Moshran. Is this a sick display of roleplay ? Strangely Jen was in love with this character at the time. Another step, nearly every 'bad' guy will slit the throat of some animal to give blood to moshran for powers; is this a sick display of roleplay ?
Lets grow up and not make a mound of dirt into a mountain. Rape is clearly written as not allowed. Everything else is legitimate roleplay.

Amitola Dyani · Post by **Amitola Dyani** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:55 am

Cutting yourself for Moshran is not the same as hurting yourself for mental problems.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:58 am

I would classify cutting yourself for any reason as a mental problem. I am not saying it is right or wrong. I am saying there is no clear line in the rules and as such you cannot just say 'we must add this' because it is too vague.

Devrah Liioness · Post by **Devrah Liioness** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:59 am

You know what?

If we are seriously going to sit here and say you are not allowed to roleplay a depressed person then I am going to quit this game, totally and completely.

I, personally, have known people that were depressed enough to harm themselves, and I have been there myself, and yes, it's a sad and ugly occurence, but it DOES happen, and if someone thinks that is how their character should be portrayed, why not?

If it's not a public display, I think it is perfectly acceptable. It doesn't trample anyone's RP, because it isn't forced. If it's not just an attention-stunt, if it is legitimate roleplay, you go and do what I do every time I see the same people complaining about this having cybersex ingame.

Your nasty cybersex crap disturbs me, but I don't whine about it.

So shut up.

Jori · Post by **Jori** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:19 am

Cutting yourself for Moshran is not the same as hurting yourself for mental problems.

Who ever said cutting yourself meant cutting from mental problems? Cutting yourself could be a complete accident, for a god (as previously mentioned), to show someone you're not afraid of pain, or any other number of real acceptable rp reasons. Cutting for mental problems... well personally i dont like that kind of rp but according to the rules, as long as it isn't ridiculously blown out of proportion it is allowed and I doubt we will convince anyone to change that so whats the point in even talking about it. If a GM just posted here and laid down the law as to exactly what is and isn't allowed that would be convenient and save us from another flame war (which we already have to many of those

).

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:31 am

Sam: I didn't say anything for cutting himself in a ritual. One of my chars did the same.

My point of view is JUST following:

Play your depressed chars as much as you want to. I just think it is unnecessary to play a char in public harming himself.
And I'm not 'bitching' about whatever happened there ingame, because I wasn't even there to know what exactly was rped. I'm just doing a general statement. I'm not accusing anyone, just giving my opinion.

I just don't want to see a char ingame that sits in tavern and cuts his/hers arm or similar, because simply guys, that can trigger people who really suffer from it. I think that's understandable and I hope that we can be as considerate.

Jeremy Gems Willowbrook · Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:00 am

Most self-harm and suicide is carried out in private not public.
RP'ing a depressed character is fine, but consideration for others IG is also important. A little thought goes a long way towards avoiding arguements and flaming.
Suicide of a character will also be a permanent end to the character. Not, as has happened, a character hangs himself then is back IG the next day.
Theses are very difficult real-life issues and should be treated with care and respect, not made into something frivolous.
Just have a little care and consideration for others with your RP. This IS a game after all and should be fun for everyone.

Post by **Nitram** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:30 am

I can't say it better as Jeremy. Thats the point.

Nitram

Moathia · Post by **Moathia** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:41 am

Ok, the reason rape is a bannable offence is because it's not only forced rp, but you can not know if the other player has had to go through that sort of violation in real life, what you see as a harmless game could bring severe problems for the person behind the screen. It has happened before.

As to self harm, people should know that it is done in private, people who do it are usually embarrassed by it and wouldn't willingly show it to anyone, thats why they do it on arms and legs where it is easily hidden, that is why people only come into contact with it by accident before they help the person.

I don't think however people should be going out in the middle of Trollsbane slashing themsevles with a knife because it is 'cool' if they are going to do that they should play the mental implications on thier character.

As for suicide, thats board RP for sure, this shouldn't be done in game, a person who tries to kill themselves in public is most likely depresed because they feel people don't take notice of them and are getting attention from what they are doing, for example there was one guy in my home town, who climbed onto a bridge over the main train station of the city, causing a whole platform to be closed off, he also got one of the main roads to the city center closed, and he got loads of newspaper coverage, and all he did was sit there for two days, then he fell asleep and a fireman rescued him.

Anyway the reason for that is people who are going to kill themselves should do it on a board RP rather than in game, or if they are going to attempt it in game consider the actual reasons, and how they would do it, the person who tried to hang themselves from a tree, ust after she was stopped from doing it, she was going around hurling insults at people and genrally being irritating, not the actions of someone who was depressed and wanting to kill themselves.

Caeldrian · Post by **Caeldrian** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:10 pm

Right, i've read all the posts in this thread and i'll just share my opinion regarding 'serious shit' vs. 'game fun'.

Fair enough, we do rp murder, but hey that's not as much of a 'Taboo' situation as something like rape or self harm.

In my opinion rape is a big no-no. I don't want to see or hear about ig, it's not necessary and detracts from the fun factor of the game (which is meant to be fun y'know

)

Self harm, i don't mind if used in the right context. I.e someone cutting their wrists in the middle of town, i don't want to see in game, it isn't nice to see in game and ruins the rp atmosphere.

Cutting your ear of (artist style) in say a protest or fit of pure unadulterated rage.. maybe, though i'd still not like it.

We seem to forget in all these posts that this is a game, and is MEANT to be fun.

Markous · Post by **Markous** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:11 pm

Rape is a No No.

Players have been banned for that in the past.

[Edit:]
I would like to remind you of Illarion Rule §16:

The own roleplay should follow common moral standards. The play of sexual practices should be restricted to undisturbed places. The play of rape is highly prohibited and leads to a permanent instant server ban. Overplayed violations (tortures, mutilations, executions) are ommited if it's agreed by all participating players.

(Yes, I know it has been posted before. Just reminding.)
[/Edit]

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:12 pm

You mean soemone accualy tried it?