Death

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:35 am

I was thinking, i think death is not memorable enought, as example, lets ttake the current orcs rampaging, they act like they dont care if they will die, if they do its only for their armor and weapons. I have been thinking about death counts, like if you get killed 3x by players you get a permanent death. DONT PANIC, this would only be when we get uncounscious when our healt gets to 0, when this is implemented of course. The thing which makes us uncounscious (or whatever its spelled) when we have no healt, and we would only have a death count if we get attacked after being uncounscious. Logically, it shoudl be very rare, Arameh, by example, would never ever kill someone, at the worst he could steal him while uncounscious, but nothing more. I even have an unfriendly bandit guy i play, and i dont think i would ever kill someone. But it would make peoples think more before rampaging guarded towns, and makes death less a joke. Like " Oh i died 22x already, i dont care cause i have no skill and nothing worth to lose, so well ", seriously, ive already heard that. Now, since i know lot of peoples loves arguing with me, anyone have anything flawas they see in that?

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:40 am

opens the door for way too much abuse and personal ooc problems being solved by ig killings and permy deaths resulting from it.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:44 am

This dosent happens, most players are mature enougth to differenciate ooc and ic. And all PO strong character does, i hope so, or then it would be GM reported.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:46 am

This dosent happens, most players are mature enougth to differenciate ooc and ic

LOL!

Mmmhmm....you keep thinking that.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:48 am

not true. you can't speak for everyone i'm afraid as much as it would be nice to believe that, Ark has a point, ooc and ic DO get mixed even though they shouldn't and that would eventually lead to conflicts even if it worked for awhile. !gm's however should be used in the case of the orc rampages if there getting out of hand.

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:50 am

So !gm an orc is attacking town? That call would go out so often it wouldn't even be funny.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:52 am

no but if the same orc's attack three times a day, lose every battle and still come back the next day i'd consider it a possibilty. or a PM and some logs work fine too.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:53 am

Arkadia Misella wrote:
This dosent happens, most players are mature enougth to differenciate ooc and ic
LOL!

Mmmhmm....you keep thinking that.

Personally, i would never death count a player because of ooc, i dont think i even would for ic reasons. They could be used for executions and stuff like that. And seriously, i dont even see anyone killing peoples for complete ooc reasons right now, only n00bs does, and n00bs are weak.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:53 am

!gm's however should be used in the case of the orc rampages if there getting out of hand.

getting out of hand are the keywords here.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:54 am

thank you Ark. but no one likes a cross returner. which was the case i was speaking about. you know exactly what i'm talkin bout.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:55 am

Athian wrote:no but if the same orc's attack three times a day, lose every battle and still come back the next day i'd consider it a possibilty. or a PM and some logs work fine too.

Such things happens everydays, this would be the main reason for my proposition, and !gm rarely works as GMs arent ig 24/24.

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:55 am

this doesnt mean they attack once a day or anything..
this means they come attack once killing everyone.. leave for an hour and come back and do it again
or just attacking often everyday

Fooser · Post by **Fooser** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:56 am

Arameh_ wrote:
Athian wrote:no but if the same orc's attack three times a day, lose every battle and still come back the next day i'd consider it a possibilty. or a PM and some logs work fine too.
Such things happens everydays, this would be the main reason for my proposition, and !gm rarely works as GMs arent ig 24/24.

24/24 O.o

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:57 am

And if they lsoe the fight, do they care? NO!, cause there is no chasing system, and thus they cant be catched, thus comes my other suggestion of chasing system, all my suggestions are linked

Garett Gwenour · Post by **Garett Gwenour** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:57 am

the annoying part is they hang around trolls bane..
when we attack they run away and so we go back into town.. then they are back hanging outside trolls bane when they are banned and shouldnt be anywhere near it..

or when they had just died, they are surrounded and being grabbed by 3 people and someone break free.. or even being held by numerous people and drag to the prison but someone break free, swing out their staff and run away..

it is just annoying and tiresome.

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:57 am

Perhaps perm death should be an ability given to a selected group of players, that can be appealed to a gm, before being made final....

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:58 am

A) It happens, whether you want to believe it or not. No one wants it to happen. Alot of people do not do it, but it happens, okay?

B) It really isn;t hard to make up a completely bullshit excuse and claim some form of RP for a death of a character. Even if it is extremly weak, it takes massive repetativeness for the gm's to do anything besides slap you on the back of the hand.

C) With BS excuses, how can you tell which ones should be counted and which ones shouldn't?

D)Executions techinally happen. They are permanant death sentencees from the GM's for breaking server rules.

E If you don't see people killing people pepople for OOC reasons, then congrats. I was unaware you had complete knowledge of everyplayer and character and know the circumstances behind every single death in Illarion. With such power you should stop wasting your time on video games and work for the police.

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:59 am

Perhaps perm death should be an ability given to a selected group of players, that can be appealed to a gm, before being made final....

HELL NO.

Durgin · Post by **Durgin** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:01 am

Wow another incredible argument

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:01 am

Arkadia Misella wrote:A) It happens, whether you want to believe it or not. No one wants it to happen. Alot of people do not do it, but it happens, okay?

B) It really isn;t hard to make up a completely bullshit excuse and claim some form of RP for a death of a character. Even if it is extremly weak, it takes massive repetativeness for the gm's to do anything besides slap you on the back of the hand.

C) With BS excuses, how can you tell which ones should be counted and which ones shouldn't?

D)Executions techinally happen. They are permanant death sentencees from the GM's for breaking server rules.

E If you don't see people killing people pepople for OOC reasons, then congrats. I was unaware you had complete knowledge of everyplayer and character and know the circumstances behind every single death in Illarion. With such power you should stop wasting your time on video games and work for the police.

I got most main players on my msn, i talk to them, they got sence, and play for RP, fun, AND NOT KILLING FOR OOC REASONS. I know no one that would do that, and who are you to say that? Are you even playing around theses times? Give me the name of players that have important characters that kills for ooc reasons, or stop being sarcastic.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:06 am

you don't need to be 'important' Arameh. you seem to think everyone veiws these characters you know as important. but you basing importance on there fightings skill and ability to kill other players. people could go around perma killing people either way. or imagine your worst fear. the crazy mages character who can wipe the floor with your 'important' characters then hits you right after your down? r the sneaky person who has that good poisoning skill they pg'ed? lets not even give something like that a chance to happen

Arkadia Misella · Post by **Arkadia Misella** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:07 am

I got most main players on my msn,

Who is considered a "main" player? People you see online when you play? Last time I checked, I always considered myself a main player. I am awalys around in some form. I have had some very memorable and well known characters, yet.....I don't talk to you on MSN. Does that mean maybe you have left quite a few more out?

they got sence, and play for RP, fun, AND NOT KILLING FOR OOC REASONS

Congrats. You surround yourself with noble people. The same reason I don;t hang out in real life with murderers, rapists, and child molestors. This is common sense and I do not see why you are so proud of it.

Are you even playing around theses times?

Yes I am. Quite often. I thought you knew everything?

Give me the name of players that have important characters that kills for ooc reasons, or stop being sarcastic.

I cannot give you names, as not everyone who has ever killed for an OOC reason goes around announcing it in these forums. To do so would be idiotic.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:08 am

If someone gives me a kill count because of some basic reason, i will think thats a very sucky RPer, and tel lthat to everyone

. No one wants that, no one will give a death cout to noobs, or if they does, !GM, or report by a PM.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:11 am

you don't know that Arameh. either way i'll just say this. it isn't going to happen any time in the near future or more probably ever. it's not a responsibilty you leave in the hands of everyone.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:11 am

This coulkd work if a gm had to ask the player about it first. If they say they were killed for bad rp reasons, and show a log, they shouldnt be permakilled.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:12 am

Yeah thats sure

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:16 am

thats far to annoying. and would require a gm present at all hours. perma kill shouldnt be involved at all until AFTER you speak with a GM. if i perma kill someone during a time when no gms or present then they can't play for hours, regardless of my reasons ooc or ic, do i have the right to take aay someone elses chance to play the game? no.

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:21 am

Athian wrote:thats far to annoying. and would require a gm present at all hours. perma kill shouldnt be involved at all until AFTER you speak with a GM. if i perma kill someone during a time when no gms or present then they can't play for hours, regardless of my reasons ooc or ic, do i have the right to take aay someone elses chance to play the game? no.

thats what i meant silly, you wouldnt perma die until the gm talked to you.

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:23 am

your sentence structure made it seem otherwise. sorry there

falco1029 · Post by **falco1029** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:25 am

my sentence structure was just fine, i challenge you to a duel!