Bank Controversy?

[Azuros]

who's bank is it? chances are im not familiar with them since im still new and have not met many others outside of guilds.

[Pocal]

read the post and you'l lfind out.

[Korwin]

I think this 'discussion' is a bit one-sided to be called that. A mercy lock might be in order.

Also, Wikipedia is your friend.

Curse you, Japheth, you repeated the link I posted, 51 posts after! I declare link plagarism!

[Sore]

I have found a essay on the histoy of Intrest at this web site http://www.monetary.org/interest.htm.

I also kown that simths in the meildeages, keep the money for marincs. They also letter on land that money to people to give them money.

Resons why a bank can be a good idea.

Give you money over time.
Help you to buy thing in the begaining.
Saves your money and keeps it safe.

Resons way a bank can be a bad idea.

Settling
People that can not be trusted.
Not good for the game.

[Avareniah]

Not good for the game.

You're gonna have to do a little better than this. Explain?

[falco1029]

By the end of the Greek Empire, the majority of math that we known today was already in use in some form or another, and that was well before the middle ages.

ah, but the middle ages came after the dark ages, when much of that knowledge was lost.

[Sore]

I was just starting a list of what good parts of a bank and the bad parts of it for the game. Also I was listing acllue things that could happen like some one steling from the depsoits that are owned by a bank.

I was traing to list what could acctuty happen in game, not if a bank is a good or bad idae for the game.

[Avareniah]

Even still, all that says is a possible negative that could happen to your character. It isn't "not good for the game" as you said.

[Aragon]

By the end of the Greek Empire, the majority of math that we known today was already in use in some form or another, and that was well before the middle ages.

ah, but the middle ages came after the dark ages, when much of that knowledge was lost.

Not exact.
The middle ages were told the dark ages (from a modern point of view), because they came after the classic age with the high culture of greek and roman empire.
But this is a point of view which is only truth from an european look. In other parts of the world, there were at the same time no dark age like in arabia or china ...

It surely might be, that much of that knowledge was lost in the early medival time (until 1000). But back in the high medival times (1000-1200), much of this knowledge came back through the contact to arabians in spain and the crusades. The greek knowledge was hold alive and become more in the arabic sphere. Great philosophers and theologicans like Thomas von Aquuin were influenced in this time with Aristoteles thoughts, returned into european thinking again by the arabic influence, where his books and ideas survived.
By using the medival times as a kind of background, most refer to the high medival times and the times of crusades, not the early chaotic and often more barbaric times.

[falco1029]

By the end of the Greek Empire, the majority of math that we known today was already in use in some form or another, and that was well before the middle ages.

ah, but the middle ages came after the dark ages, when much of that knowledge was lost.

Not exact.
The middle ages were told the dark ages (from a modern point of view), because they came after the classic age with the high culture of greek and roman empire.
But this is a point of view which is only truth from an european look. In other parts of the world, there were at the same time no dark age like in arabia or china ...

It surely might be, that much of that knowledge was lost in the early medival time (until 1000). But back in the high medival times (1000-1200), much of this knowledge came back through the contact to arabians in spain and the crusades. The greek knowledge was hold alive and become more in the arabic sphere. Great philosophers and theologicans like Thomas von Aquuin were influenced in this time with Aristoteles thoughts, returned into european thinking again by the arabic influence, where his books and ideas survived.
By using the medival times as a kind of background, most refer to the high medival times and the times of crusades, not the early chaotic and often more barbaric times.

While this is true, and many technologies were recovered (and btw, technically the classic age was after the renaissance), it was slowly, and from what we can tell from illarion, which doesnt even seem to yet have hand crossbows, it's early middle ages, which was actually somewhat in the dark ages of technology. You'l lnote there's no king of theisland, and all governments are small and held by those with power. Those are the characteristics of the dark ages, or early middle ages.

[Ghorn]

I wonder that there is no bankrobbing yet

[Zhauvalea]

There was. I took out 10 silver coins and I have no idea how to pay them back!

[Fooser]

You realize now that they will have to send a shady man with overgrown facial hair named "three chins" afrer you, right?

[Garett Gwenour]

I dont think that a bank should cause as much controversy as someone saying how important it is to give power to citizens would be in the medival setting.

[falco1029]

I dont think that a bank should cause as much controversy as someone saying how important it is to give power to citizens would be in the medival setting.

Actually, many cities used direct democracy back in those days, where everyone voted, usually at a town meeting, about every issue.

[Garett Gwenour]

Name one.

[falco1029]

If you really need me to, i can scrounge through my ap government book, but I dont see why you think they didnt. And i doubt there are many named towns who did anyway, as it was more small villages and such

[Garett Gwenour]

Small villages perhaps, however Trolls Bane is not a small village.
I really would like to see if this is true as in nearly everywhere during medival times democracy was nonexistant.

[Pocal]

Small villages perhaps, however Trolls Bane is not a small village.
I really would like to see if this is true as in nearly everywhere during medival times democracy was nonexistant.

Actually, it probably is smaller than a small village in classification probably, when you think of how many actual citizens it has.

[Djironnyma]

Trolls bane is a small village, seven buildings arent much.....

[Aegohl]

Seven buildings not including the houses that we should be imagining for it to make sense. Among those seven buildings a public library, a medic's, and other things that would require great wealth in a village to run in the middle ages.

[Aragon]

I dont think that a bank should cause as much controversy as someone saying how important it is to give power to citizens would be in the medival setting.

Actually, many cities used direct democracy back in those days, where everyone voted, usually at a town meeting, about every issue.

Again not exact.
For example, woman never had a right to vote in medival times.
But it is truth, that there were cities, which have had a kind of democracy.
In europe, mostly in Germany, there exist cities, which were only under the reign of the king / emperor, but not under an earl or bishop or another particullary souvereign. This so called "Freie Reichsstädte" could manage their own affairs within the laws of the emperor. In most of these towns (also including big and rich cities like nurembourgh), there was a system of reign of the rich and of the guilds. And within these groups, people were elected into the town parlament. But agaion, this was no roght for each one. You have to be in a guild or to be in the upper parts of society to have the right of voting.

[Djironnyma]

I dont like the idea of imagining houses, ig is what ig is and not more. sure it would be make more sence if a city with a tavern and libery will have some normel houses, but so long nearly no one will play a normal char there will be no normal farmhouses.
Gobiath is a iland of fantasy adventures and no iland in the middle age, trolls bane is a meeting point, many chars but no one life there for long time, so i thing it make sense that there are nearly no normal houses....


and... aeghol if you think it make no sense build some more normal houses

[Quinasa]

I agree with Djironnyma. And while its good that some realism is creeping its way into Illarion please remember that while its set in a medieval setting that it isn't medieval earth. Creativity and rules need to coincide.

[falco1029]

I dont think that a bank should cause as much controversy as someone saying how important it is to give power to citizens would be in the medival setting.

Actually, many cities used direct democracy back in those days, where everyone voted, usually at a town meeting, about every issue.

Again not exact.
For example, woman never had a right to vote in medival times.
But it is truth, that there were cities, which have had a kind of democracy.
In europe, mostly in Germany, there exist cities, which were only under the reign of the king / emperor, but not under an earl or bishop or another particullary souvereign. This so called "Freie Reichsstädte" could manage their own affairs within the laws of the emperor. In most of these towns (also including big and rich cities like nurembourgh), there was a system of reign of the rich and of the guilds. And within these groups, people were elected into the town parlament. But agaion, this was no roght for each one. You have to be in a guild or to be in the upper parts of society to have the right of voting.

I did not say it was true everytwhere, note how I said most places used a feudal system or relied on merely bands of people to survive.

What I meant was all citizens had a right to vote in them, and back then women were not citizens. Also, I am talking about single towns of government, meaning no rule above it. They were the most likely to use such a form of government, as they were just villages, maybe small cities, and no one cared about them.

Now i forget what i was originally arguing.....

[Llama]

Sidenote:

There was NO germany in the middle ages was there? They were all freestates, then got taken over by prussia then formed the confideration of the rhine; and THEN became germany, circa 1820+

I should know, I did that mistake in a history test...

And does this have ANYTHING to do with banks?

[Pocal]

Sidenote:

There was NO germany in the middle ages was there? They were all freestates, then got taken over by prussia then formed the confideration of the rhine; and THEN became germany, circa 1820+

I should know, I did that mistake in a history test...

And does this have ANYTHING to do with banks?

1870/1871

Both Italy and Germany unified at the same time.

[Aragon]

Sidenote:

There was NO germany in the middle ages was there? They were all freestates, then got taken over by prussia then formed the confideration of the rhine; and THEN became germany, circa 1820+

I should know, I did that mistake in a history test...

We are talking about the middle ages. What you wrote above, happened in the let's say 16th to 19th century and therefore is not middle age.
And surely, there was the kingdom of Germany since after Karl the Great, who reigned over half europe gave his land to three followers (842), one "Ludwig the german" was king over the part, which is now modern Germany (not exact the same). Since then you can speak from an own german history. The different "freestates" you are talking about was a development in the 15th and 16th Century, where the local souvereigns get more and more power because the emperor of the so called "holy roman empire of german states" had to many activities outside the german part. For example Karl 5th ( in time of reformations, about 1500-1550) was king over Germany, Spain, Italie, Austria-Hungary and some other small parts in one person. Most of his time, he wasn't in germany.

[Faladron]

And the sun never sets in my empire...

Ahh those were the days..

Hadrian, I dearly suggest you take another lesson on europe history.