Dear Teesh,
What do you mean with "We elves are no wiser and no better then other races."?
Maybe you're right with the expression, "we are no better [...]", but i really think, we're much wiser than a human or an orc!
In fact, our life is a never-ending-one and we have lived thousands of years ago, before a human did a step into this world!
Because of this, we have to be wiser than a human.
I don't want to say, I'm in a higher position -or something else- than a human, I really like and respect the humans.
Maybe we have another conception about wisdom...
I'll think about the whole thing! I'd like to join the community in the (short) future!
Farewell "patient elf",
Yours,
Elkrim.
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Oops, just correcting something that might be the origin for another misunderstanding.........
I meant that I would really appreciate you in our community, Eol, not that I would like to force you to become a member. I hate to force anyone to do anything......
Just think about it, please.....
I meant that I would really appreciate you in our community, Eol, not that I would like to force you to become a member. I hate to force anyone to do anything......
Just think about it, please.....
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*kalypse doesnt know if she feels happy for elkrim or sad for eol*
I´m looking forward to see you in the community, elkrim, and your ideas.
By the way, I have been talking to Liriel and he was trying to translate the ideas you put here in german. I´m afraid I lost the details, but as for the general idea we agree that it may be a nice thought. So first I need Eol and Zerbus to help me clear it out, but apparently the idea is that we can help each other to clear up elven history and make some kind of meetings in which we could discuss such things. Please forgive me if I understood something wrong, but translating can be really tricky sometimes.
I´m looking for a better understanding over these thoughts.
I´m looking forward to see you in the community, elkrim, and your ideas.
By the way, I have been talking to Liriel and he was trying to translate the ideas you put here in german. I´m afraid I lost the details, but as for the general idea we agree that it may be a nice thought. So first I need Eol and Zerbus to help me clear it out, but apparently the idea is that we can help each other to clear up elven history and make some kind of meetings in which we could discuss such things. Please forgive me if I understood something wrong, but translating can be really tricky sometimes.
I´m looking for a better understanding over these thoughts.
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Zerbus der Druide
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@ Kalypse: the translation from above
Elistraee
Elistraee is the godess of songs, dances, wielding swords and of hunt. Those drow that succeed in escaping the claws of evil gods, and who have broken with the life underneath the surface, mostly tend to worship Elistraee. The Dark Maiden, as she is often called, has not many followers in the human race - her worshippers are mostly Elves, Drow or Halfelves. Elistraee loves dance and music, and her voice is often heard in forests, where her followers dwell - a humming and but pasionate song. Everyone who hears that song knows that Elistraee is somewhere near. She also often appears, when her followers and priests are holding a feast to her name. This ceremony is always connected to grand fires and joyous followers that dance throughout the night. Then often there is seen a shape in the moonlight, with flowing white hair. This be Elistraee, who always looks after her protégée.
Elistraee is a young godess and therefore a very chaotic one. Tus she cannot be compared to Lloth, nor any other chaotic evil god. Elistraee respects life and hates quarells, wars and destruction. she loves everything that is fun and happiness and that helps the community to grow together, especially dance and song. Elistraee does not interfere in the doings of her priestesses and seldom sends an avatar to support or help them out when an emergency arises.
Another important difference between the evil gods and Elistraee is, that woman and man are equal. Tus only a female elves can become a priestess to the Dark Maid, they are not higher in rank than male elves and dont give orders to them. Elistraee lets the drow and her other followers master their lives in their own fashion. She doesnt tolerate any interference in her followers existances. Each shall develop itself in in its own way.
(Now comes the reason why i actually posted this here)
Elistraee lives up to six important dogmas:
1. help the strong, the weak, the thankful and the coarse alike.
2. always be nice, only not to evil
3. encourage to happiness; brighten hearts with words, jokes, songs and fun athmosphere.
4. protect and support everyone, encourage to harmony between the races
5. strangers are your friends. the homeless must be given shelter in times of storms - under your roof as well
6. repay rudeness with friendlyness. repay violence with quick and effective violence to keep low the number of injured and to ensure that the danger be banned fast.
@ Kalypse: this took me some time...
Elistraee
Elistraee is the godess of songs, dances, wielding swords and of hunt. Those drow that succeed in escaping the claws of evil gods, and who have broken with the life underneath the surface, mostly tend to worship Elistraee. The Dark Maiden, as she is often called, has not many followers in the human race - her worshippers are mostly Elves, Drow or Halfelves. Elistraee loves dance and music, and her voice is often heard in forests, where her followers dwell - a humming and but pasionate song. Everyone who hears that song knows that Elistraee is somewhere near. She also often appears, when her followers and priests are holding a feast to her name. This ceremony is always connected to grand fires and joyous followers that dance throughout the night. Then often there is seen a shape in the moonlight, with flowing white hair. This be Elistraee, who always looks after her protégée.
Elistraee is a young godess and therefore a very chaotic one. Tus she cannot be compared to Lloth, nor any other chaotic evil god. Elistraee respects life and hates quarells, wars and destruction. she loves everything that is fun and happiness and that helps the community to grow together, especially dance and song. Elistraee does not interfere in the doings of her priestesses and seldom sends an avatar to support or help them out when an emergency arises.
Another important difference between the evil gods and Elistraee is, that woman and man are equal. Tus only a female elves can become a priestess to the Dark Maid, they are not higher in rank than male elves and dont give orders to them. Elistraee lets the drow and her other followers master their lives in their own fashion. She doesnt tolerate any interference in her followers existances. Each shall develop itself in in its own way.
(Now comes the reason why i actually posted this here)
Elistraee lives up to six important dogmas:
1. help the strong, the weak, the thankful and the coarse alike.
2. always be nice, only not to evil
3. encourage to happiness; brighten hearts with words, jokes, songs and fun athmosphere.
4. protect and support everyone, encourage to harmony between the races
5. strangers are your friends. the homeless must be given shelter in times of storms - under your roof as well
6. repay rudeness with friendlyness. repay violence with quick and effective violence to keep low the number of injured and to ensure that the danger be banned fast.
@ Kalypse: this took me some time...
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Mylady Kalypse,
I am sorry. This unfortunate discussion between your member Khanor and me shouldn't have happend here on this foundation-board.
Maybe Khanor and I will meet within some days and talk it all over.
I still have to learn, not to be proud or too sensitive on words. Just some days before stupid words about Teesh's home came over my tongue, spoken so quickly, hurting so bad.
Its me who has to apologize.
If there is a place in your community, for someone like me who wants to work on elven history, religion and language, call me your fellowman.
But I would also advice you to think about a german chapter of your community. I feel there are many elves in illarion, who have problems to develope their ideas in english. Maybe their could be a german chapter with a chairman as a speaker for them.
As long as the Elven Community is young and not wellknown everywhere, and as long as those important points like rules and religion haven't strong roots all misunderstanding should be minimized in any way.
So hold your head up, Mylady, I feel a brightly star' shining on you.
@elkrim : I don't know how you think about, but I feel we are close to each other, even though we never met. And from a description a friend of yours gave to me before I arrived in Illa, I know that you're no man who looks down on other peoples. May the Ainur bless you.
I am sorry. This unfortunate discussion between your member Khanor and me shouldn't have happend here on this foundation-board.
Maybe Khanor and I will meet within some days and talk it all over.
I still have to learn, not to be proud or too sensitive on words. Just some days before stupid words about Teesh's home came over my tongue, spoken so quickly, hurting so bad.
Its me who has to apologize.
If there is a place in your community, for someone like me who wants to work on elven history, religion and language, call me your fellowman.
But I would also advice you to think about a german chapter of your community. I feel there are many elves in illarion, who have problems to develope their ideas in english. Maybe their could be a german chapter with a chairman as a speaker for them.
As long as the Elven Community is young and not wellknown everywhere, and as long as those important points like rules and religion haven't strong roots all misunderstanding should be minimized in any way.
So hold your head up, Mylady, I feel a brightly star' shining on you.
@elkrim : I don't know how you think about, but I feel we are close to each other, even though we never met. And from a description a friend of yours gave to me before I arrived in Illa, I know that you're no man who looks down on other peoples. May the Ainur bless you.
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Zerbus,
Thank you so much for translating that for me, I do believe it took lots of your time and that by itself was really nice of you. As for the ideas, I didn´t know that story but I like it already and the thoughts included in there are most likely to what I think. I thank you also for thinking about us and helping in any way you can. You sound to be a nice elf.
Eol,
I accept your appology and I wasn´t mad at you, I was just a little bit disappointed.
And yes, I do believe we should have a german side, because I know already that Illarion has some german ppl who cannot speak english. I will talk to Teesh and Liriel and see if we can tranlate the website to german, at least...so german ppl can know our goals and tell us their opinions as well.
Thank you so much for translating that for me, I do believe it took lots of your time and that by itself was really nice of you. As for the ideas, I didn´t know that story but I like it already and the thoughts included in there are most likely to what I think. I thank you also for thinking about us and helping in any way you can. You sound to be a nice elf.
Eol,
I accept your appology and I wasn´t mad at you, I was just a little bit disappointed.
And yes, I do believe we should have a german side, because I know already that Illarion has some german ppl who cannot speak english. I will talk to Teesh and Liriel and see if we can tranlate the website to german, at least...so german ppl can know our goals and tell us their opinions as well.
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I can offer my help, too.
#me smiles.
If you three need some help, I can give you.
#me smiles.
If you three need some help, I can give you.
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Hello elves, first of all we are happy to inform that we have a new member: Eol. Congratulations!
@Elkrim: hmm... you are right... we elves live much much longer then humans so we seem to be much wiser, but i believe a wise elf, doesn't feel better than anyone because of this, and doesn't think about it much... these are rather humans that race each other, who is better, who is wiser, and so on =)) it takes time to understand there is no use of such competition =)) so in this way we elves are wiser i think.... hihihi... by the way Elkrim, you are welcome to join us... im glad you want to help and the first thing you can do is to join us... i hope you feel comfortable with our rules now, and as we explained we will try to express them better very soon...
@Eol, can you give me an email? I would like to ask you a few things about the elven history...
Cheers elves =))
@Elkrim: hmm... you are right... we elves live much much longer then humans so we seem to be much wiser, but i believe a wise elf, doesn't feel better than anyone because of this, and doesn't think about it much... these are rather humans that race each other, who is better, who is wiser, and so on =)) it takes time to understand there is no use of such competition =)) so in this way we elves are wiser i think.... hihihi... by the way Elkrim, you are welcome to join us... im glad you want to help and the first thing you can do is to join us... i hope you feel comfortable with our rules now, and as we explained we will try to express them better very soon...
@Eol, can you give me an email? I would like to ask you a few things about the elven history...
Cheers elves =))
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...So...I'm ready to join the community...
I'll wait for an answer...
Hope to become a member...
Elkrim smiles.
I'll wait for an answer...
Hope to become a member...
Elkrim smiles.
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That´s soooo great to hear!!!!!:biggrin:
Consider yourself in, my friend Elkrim!!!:)
Oh, today has been a great day!:cheesy:
Consider yourself in, my friend Elkrim!!!:)
Oh, today has been a great day!:cheesy:
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Menegroth - A hidden place for elves to live.
( Only a kind of a dream )
Menegroth is hidden from the view of other races.
Every simple tree can be the entrance.
There is a certain kind of key one has to use to enter,
a combination of two or even three items to be used with the tree.
So everyone who knows that key can enter Menegroth from any corner of Illarion
As long as there is a tree
From indside there is only one entrance to be defended in the case of attack
You enter Menegroths first room [A], which is most likely a medium sized hall
With just one door at the left, the right and the opposite side.
The room at the left side is a smithery with all the stuff you need
At the right side the following room [C] has all stuff for bakery, tailoring etc.
If you walk through the door opposite to the entrance you enter the big hall [D]
There are another 5 doors, two on the left and right side and one at the opposite side.
The first door left is the entrance to the elven tavern [E]
The second door left is yet not in use [F]
The first door at the right is the shop [G]
The second door at the right side is the entrance to the elven academy [H]
In the academy you find the elven-libery, and there you have a big round table for studies and discussions
The opposite front door reaches to the so called "Kings Room"
This Kings Room has its own key-combination, and there are only very few people allowed to enter
The words, spoken in this room can't be heard outside, and items you lay down on the floor will not dissapear after some time. And also, this room has a hidden outrance to be the last escape in the case of an occupation
These are the rooms of Menegroth
Now let me describe its architecture and decoration
Although the elven town has to be entered through a tree, its floors and walls are solid
All rooms have portals that look lightly gothic. The walls are illuminated in diffuse light, so the rooms do not seem to be "heavy".
The gothic portals are covered with poison ivy and other plants, diffuse light comes from the roof like sunshine through an ocean of leaves.
The big hall has a floor of gras (Moos) and in the middle there is a small lake with an very small island. On this island spot there is a shining tree, which looks a little bit like Telperion, the famous tree in the land of Aman (The Land of Glory)
These were my dreams of an new elven home, may be enough for starting a discussion about it.
( Only a kind of a dream )
Menegroth is hidden from the view of other races.
Every simple tree can be the entrance.
There is a certain kind of key one has to use to enter,
a combination of two or even three items to be used with the tree.
So everyone who knows that key can enter Menegroth from any corner of Illarion
As long as there is a tree
From indside there is only one entrance to be defended in the case of attack
You enter Menegroths first room [A], which is most likely a medium sized hall
With just one door at the left, the right and the opposite side.
The room at the left side is a smithery with all the stuff you need
At the right side the following room [C] has all stuff for bakery, tailoring etc.
If you walk through the door opposite to the entrance you enter the big hall [D]
There are another 5 doors, two on the left and right side and one at the opposite side.
The first door left is the entrance to the elven tavern [E]
The second door left is yet not in use [F]
The first door at the right is the shop [G]
The second door at the right side is the entrance to the elven academy [H]
In the academy you find the elven-libery, and there you have a big round table for studies and discussions
The opposite front door reaches to the so called "Kings Room"
This Kings Room has its own key-combination, and there are only very few people allowed to enter
The words, spoken in this room can't be heard outside, and items you lay down on the floor will not dissapear after some time. And also, this room has a hidden outrance to be the last escape in the case of an occupation
These are the rooms of Menegroth
Now let me describe its architecture and decoration
Although the elven town has to be entered through a tree, its floors and walls are solid
All rooms have portals that look lightly gothic. The walls are illuminated in diffuse light, so the rooms do not seem to be "heavy".
The gothic portals are covered with poison ivy and other plants, diffuse light comes from the roof like sunshine through an ocean of leaves.
The big hall has a floor of gras (Moos) and in the middle there is a small lake with an very small island. On this island spot there is a shining tree, which looks a little bit like Telperion, the famous tree in the land of Aman (The Land of Glory)
These were my dreams of an new elven home, may be enough for starting a discussion about it.
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Zerbus der Druide
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this sounds like the whole town of illarion packed in a few rooms, for elves only.
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@Eol: I apprieciate your hard work you made by preparing this vision of an elven home, its great, but i am sure we wont ever be able to make it... Maybe when a comletely new server comes up, and the map will be 10x bigger (which is concidered as far as i know, so there will be a few towns in the world), and the community gathers whole caves of treasures to afford such big home =))) For now i can say that if Gods will bless our community, for which we pray already to them, and they will let us build, this will be a stand-alone building - thou very interesting i believe and slightly different from these already built in town...
I am glad to say, that so far we have collected almost 100 silver ingots and much much much valueble stuff that i have to sell =)) so i believe the vision of building a peaceful shelter for us elves of the community may be realised sooner than later =)))
I would like to say, that all donations are welcome and we appriciate them very much, either from members, other elves of good will and other folks of any race that would like to help the peaceful and happy community grow.
By the way i want to announce, that tomorrow i am making a huge SALE! I will be in Illarion tomorrow for a long time selling everything anyone may need for really attractive prices. More about this sale i will write soon on the Main Board.
Fare thee well dear elves =))
I am glad to say, that so far we have collected almost 100 silver ingots and much much much valueble stuff that i have to sell =)) so i believe the vision of building a peaceful shelter for us elves of the community may be realised sooner than later =)))
I would like to say, that all donations are welcome and we appriciate them very much, either from members, other elves of good will and other folks of any race that would like to help the peaceful and happy community grow.
By the way i want to announce, that tomorrow i am making a huge SALE! I will be in Illarion tomorrow for a long time selling everything anyone may need for really attractive prices. More about this sale i will write soon on the Main Board.
Fare thee well dear elves =))
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Hello dear elves,
I´m sorry Teesh, my dear, but I will post this even though you advised me not to, but I know the power that words have and much more the power of misunderstanding. I thought a lot about it and I figured that my friends and their trust in me are way more important than the growing pride of someone. First of all, to all members of our community, I´d like to ask you to think of me as a friend, not as a leader. The word 'leader' links to the thought that I´m above you and unreachable, which is not true. What I need is your friendship and understanding, and that´s what talking is for.
Now to the real reason I´m writing all this. I have been seriously accused of not helping "fellow elves". The person who accused me, I won´t say his name because I have some high tempered friends and I don´t want to start a fight out of this, was sort of "testing me", as he said himself, to see if I was really willing to be helpful. As far as I´m concerned helping is something that you do naturally, when you trust the person won´t do anything bad out of it. Helping is not something you are ordered to do with sentences like: "I need a wand, I want it and I know you can do it".
The thing is that I helped him one day, because I thought he was a nice elf, but he kept asking for more and more things, even though I told him I couldn´t do it at the time. I felt like he thought that helping would be doing everything he wanted and right away . That´s not how things work. We can´t just give good things away if the person shows signs of bad thoughts, and I couldn´t just help him again because he was being a little rude to me by being so demanding. He accused our community of not following our rules and he also accused Teesh of looking for reasons to attack him. What happened is that we heard attack noises and for the way he was acting Teesh asked him to move just to be sure that it wasn´t him. And then he went desperate and said Teesh accused him of attacking without proof when Teesh was only trying to know if he was the one doing that. He was not sure, so Teesh asked him to move, cause that way he would know. He was very rude and he wouldn´t listen to what we were saying, he just kept talking and accusing without even waiting for an answer.
Now speaking a little ooc: you who accused Kalypse of such thing, do you know what´s the first thing that great martial arts masters teach first? It´s not how you hit the other or even how to defend yourself. Their first attempt is to grow trust on you, to teach you how to breath, to open your mind to other thoughts, to listen! Trust takes a lot of time to grow, but only seconds to be lost. A building is nothing without it´s foundations, just like friendship is nothing without trust, understanding and respect. Now back to my character: how do you expect me to trust you if you have to test my behaviour? Our members are friends and we help each other, sometimes even if they don´t need. But that happens because we care, not because we are told so. And yesterday I was just trying to have a nice walk with Teesh around the land when you demanded our help. You don´t need punishment, you need to learn how to listen before making your own decisions.
Once again, I´m sorry, my dear Teesh, but when something is about to get in the way of those I care I must say what´s stuck on my throat.
And sir (you know who you are), I hope you are proud you could provoke me, that´s not an easy thing to do.
I´m sorry Teesh, my dear, but I will post this even though you advised me not to, but I know the power that words have and much more the power of misunderstanding. I thought a lot about it and I figured that my friends and their trust in me are way more important than the growing pride of someone. First of all, to all members of our community, I´d like to ask you to think of me as a friend, not as a leader. The word 'leader' links to the thought that I´m above you and unreachable, which is not true. What I need is your friendship and understanding, and that´s what talking is for.
Now to the real reason I´m writing all this. I have been seriously accused of not helping "fellow elves". The person who accused me, I won´t say his name because I have some high tempered friends and I don´t want to start a fight out of this, was sort of "testing me", as he said himself, to see if I was really willing to be helpful. As far as I´m concerned helping is something that you do naturally, when you trust the person won´t do anything bad out of it. Helping is not something you are ordered to do with sentences like: "I need a wand, I want it and I know you can do it".
The thing is that I helped him one day, because I thought he was a nice elf, but he kept asking for more and more things, even though I told him I couldn´t do it at the time. I felt like he thought that helping would be doing everything he wanted and right away . That´s not how things work. We can´t just give good things away if the person shows signs of bad thoughts, and I couldn´t just help him again because he was being a little rude to me by being so demanding. He accused our community of not following our rules and he also accused Teesh of looking for reasons to attack him. What happened is that we heard attack noises and for the way he was acting Teesh asked him to move just to be sure that it wasn´t him. And then he went desperate and said Teesh accused him of attacking without proof when Teesh was only trying to know if he was the one doing that. He was not sure, so Teesh asked him to move, cause that way he would know. He was very rude and he wouldn´t listen to what we were saying, he just kept talking and accusing without even waiting for an answer.
Now speaking a little ooc: you who accused Kalypse of such thing, do you know what´s the first thing that great martial arts masters teach first? It´s not how you hit the other or even how to defend yourself. Their first attempt is to grow trust on you, to teach you how to breath, to open your mind to other thoughts, to listen! Trust takes a lot of time to grow, but only seconds to be lost. A building is nothing without it´s foundations, just like friendship is nothing without trust, understanding and respect. Now back to my character: how do you expect me to trust you if you have to test my behaviour? Our members are friends and we help each other, sometimes even if they don´t need. But that happens because we care, not because we are told so. And yesterday I was just trying to have a nice walk with Teesh around the land when you demanded our help. You don´t need punishment, you need to learn how to listen before making your own decisions.
Once again, I´m sorry, my dear Teesh, but when something is about to get in the way of those I care I must say what´s stuck on my throat.
And sir (you know who you are), I hope you are proud you could provoke me, that´s not an easy thing to do.
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Simonic Jace
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Recently, when I was in Thror, I was spreading the word of our community and I believe I came across the same elf as you did, Kalypse. He at first healed me which I was gracious of, but eventually he asked me for many many ingots, 20, or so.
He, similarily taunted my position of mystical advisor, which bothered me greatly, but I did not resort to violence. He also asked us if we were going to start a guild war with an orcish guild, to which I was appalled, as we, at least that is what I believe, a peaceful community.
I also wish to report 2 members of our group whom were acting violently in our town, because, and I quote; "Totally high on magical mushrooms.."
Indeed...
Please, don't think I'm a tattle-taler or a snitch, I'm just concerned about such violent people in our guild.
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Simonic..........
He, similarily taunted my position of mystical advisor, which bothered me greatly, but I did not resort to violence. He also asked us if we were going to start a guild war with an orcish guild, to which I was appalled, as we, at least that is what I believe, a peaceful community.
I also wish to report 2 members of our group whom were acting violently in our town, because, and I quote; "Totally high on magical mushrooms.."
Indeed...
Please, don't think I'm a tattle-taler or a snitch, I'm just concerned about such violent people in our guild.
Your's
Simonic..........
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Khanor Faenohan
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"I have some high tempered friends" that means me 
hehe. Well, I understand what you mean Kalypse, the idea that these people forget is that we would love to help, but only if it was possible. To put this better, we are not slaves, what we mean is we will help you if you need to ask for advice, or if we have something to spare (that you REALLY) need then we might give it to you.
And also, when I refer to Kalypse, Teesh, and Liriel as the 'leaders', I say it because they are the founders, but more importantly because they are the rolemodels of what the community stands for.
Remember 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me', that goes to the elf who called me a "fool" today (after asking me if I was strong). I'm no fool and I don't need to prove it by fighting. A 'closed mind' is a 'closed fist'.
Oh and Jace. If you mean to report me and my friend who will remain nameless, well we weren't being violent i was having a bad day and that was after being totally high on magic toadstools, NOT mushrooms and it was an accident that i ate it because i wanted to see what it tasted like, I wasnt to know it would get me high, and i gave it to my friend whilst i was high and he ate it not knowing what it would do. So its ALL my fault not my friend.
(Edited by Khanor Faenohan at 11:27 pm on June 22, 2002)
hehe. Well, I understand what you mean Kalypse, the idea that these people forget is that we would love to help, but only if it was possible. To put this better, we are not slaves, what we mean is we will help you if you need to ask for advice, or if we have something to spare (that you REALLY) need then we might give it to you.And also, when I refer to Kalypse, Teesh, and Liriel as the 'leaders', I say it because they are the founders, but more importantly because they are the rolemodels of what the community stands for.
Remember 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me', that goes to the elf who called me a "fool" today (after asking me if I was strong). I'm no fool and I don't need to prove it by fighting. A 'closed mind' is a 'closed fist'.
Oh and Jace. If you mean to report me and my friend who will remain nameless, well we weren't being violent i was having a bad day and that was after being totally high on magic toadstools, NOT mushrooms and it was an accident that i ate it because i wanted to see what it tasted like, I wasnt to know it would get me high, and i gave it to my friend whilst i was high and he ate it not knowing what it would do. So its ALL my fault not my friend.
(Edited by Khanor Faenohan at 11:27 pm on June 22, 2002)
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Dear Elven Community, dear friends
@Kalypse: I'm sorry about the experiences you made with some fellow of our community. But i feel that's the way how leadership always works. You will always meet people with differnt minds and aims, and you should't worry about one you does not understand what this community stands for. He might understand one day - or follow the wind.
@Khanor: My dear friend, there is nor reason to hide my name, thank you for doing this, but I am old enough to stand for what i did.
@simonic jace: I have been the other elf "on drugs", I apologized when I was sober, but let me tell you one thing: None of us, neither Khanor nor myself, were rough or violent in any way. We did not fight, we did not use any magic, we did not talk any dirty thing on somebody.
All we were doing was singing and dancing in the streets of Trollsbane, after we had lost our selfcontrol under the influence of muscarin. It was an experience I had to pay for with a very sick feeling afterwards and a stomache refusing any meal for two days. So if you feel we did wrong, don't accuse us for violent behaviour, for we did't show that, accuse us for eating toadstools, because that was what we did under our free will.
Yesterday i apologized to the girlfriend of another elf, because i feared I might have had embarrassed her with my foolish singing. She said it would have been nice and that sie wasn't embarrassed at all. I'm not proud of what i did, but far as i see, Khanor an I didn't really break any rules.
((ooc: and from the point of roleplaying: that was hard work, believe me))
@Kalypse: I'm sorry about the experiences you made with some fellow of our community. But i feel that's the way how leadership always works. You will always meet people with differnt minds and aims, and you should't worry about one you does not understand what this community stands for. He might understand one day - or follow the wind.
@Khanor: My dear friend, there is nor reason to hide my name, thank you for doing this, but I am old enough to stand for what i did.
@simonic jace: I have been the other elf "on drugs", I apologized when I was sober, but let me tell you one thing: None of us, neither Khanor nor myself, were rough or violent in any way. We did not fight, we did not use any magic, we did not talk any dirty thing on somebody.
All we were doing was singing and dancing in the streets of Trollsbane, after we had lost our selfcontrol under the influence of muscarin. It was an experience I had to pay for with a very sick feeling afterwards and a stomache refusing any meal for two days. So if you feel we did wrong, don't accuse us for violent behaviour, for we did't show that, accuse us for eating toadstools, because that was what we did under our free will.
Yesterday i apologized to the girlfriend of another elf, because i feared I might have had embarrassed her with my foolish singing. She said it would have been nice and that sie wasn't embarrassed at all. I'm not proud of what i did, but far as i see, Khanor an I didn't really break any rules.
((ooc: and from the point of roleplaying: that was hard work, believe me))
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My dear Kalypse and my dear elves...
I have just talked to Liriel and at first i want to say that we are not using the word "leaders" anymore, i have changed it everywhere on the website and from now on, the word is "founders". We also think that the meaning of the word leader may be confusing and may lead to misunderstanding of our intentions and intentions of the community.
@Kalypse: I thought it wont be good to post about this incident with this rude elf. I thought that it would be the thing that he would want, write about him, and speak about him, so that would make him proud (ooc, its like a situation in RL when someone wants to get attention, doing whatever, even bad things, like scandals described in press or so). Truth is there is nothing to be proud of sif elf. Anyway now as i read this discussion i think you did the right thing my dear Kalypse =)) I am glad that we can discuss such behavious that you described here together, with all of us, good elven members participating. Its a lesson for all of us to be careful in who we trust and on how to react to such behaviour.
I would like to ask you dear members for one thing. Try not to give or sell the best weapons, armour, magical wands, and other good and dangerous items to folks you dont trust, which you are suspicious that may become evil soon or they are already and folks that seem to make trouble to others in this world. Its not a rule. You are not forced to do so. I just believe it will help keep a little more peace in Troll's Bane.
@Simonic Jace: yes you believe very well in the community, we are NOT participating in any wars))
@Simonic Jace, Khanor, Eol: hihihi... I know that Khanor likes to drink a lot beer, but Toadstools? hehehe... as long as you elves dont break the rules, which I hope decribe well what is wrong and what is good (and are still discussed to sound better and express our intentions better), you are free to do whatever you want and like, and its up to you. Only remember that from the moment you are members you are like visit-cards of the community too. Also please remember there is a rule of treating everyone friendly and kindly - that also means not to disturb or make others nervous when you are on high or sober. Hehe... Anyway i think nothing bad happened, but please explain why was the word "violent" involved here, what did you elves do exactly?
I wish you all a nice day =))
I have just talked to Liriel and at first i want to say that we are not using the word "leaders" anymore, i have changed it everywhere on the website and from now on, the word is "founders". We also think that the meaning of the word leader may be confusing and may lead to misunderstanding of our intentions and intentions of the community.
@Kalypse: I thought it wont be good to post about this incident with this rude elf. I thought that it would be the thing that he would want, write about him, and speak about him, so that would make him proud (ooc, its like a situation in RL when someone wants to get attention, doing whatever, even bad things, like scandals described in press or so). Truth is there is nothing to be proud of sif elf. Anyway now as i read this discussion i think you did the right thing my dear Kalypse =)) I am glad that we can discuss such behavious that you described here together, with all of us, good elven members participating. Its a lesson for all of us to be careful in who we trust and on how to react to such behaviour.
I would like to ask you dear members for one thing. Try not to give or sell the best weapons, armour, magical wands, and other good and dangerous items to folks you dont trust, which you are suspicious that may become evil soon or they are already and folks that seem to make trouble to others in this world. Its not a rule. You are not forced to do so. I just believe it will help keep a little more peace in Troll's Bane.
@Simonic Jace: yes you believe very well in the community, we are NOT participating in any wars
))@Simonic Jace, Khanor, Eol: hihihi... I know that Khanor likes to drink a lot beer, but Toadstools? hehehe... as long as you elves dont break the rules, which I hope decribe well what is wrong and what is good (and are still discussed to sound better and express our intentions better), you are free to do whatever you want and like, and its up to you. Only remember that from the moment you are members you are like visit-cards of the community too. Also please remember there is a rule of treating everyone friendly and kindly - that also means not to disturb or make others nervous when you are on high or sober. Hehe... Anyway i think nothing bad happened, but please explain why was the word "violent" involved here, what did you elves do exactly?
I wish you all a nice day =))
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During that time of emptyness ((ooc while the server is still hanging)) I'am sitting underneath my favorite appletree watching the clouds passing by. I want to use this time to tink about how the community is developing.
Teesh, you're right that we should not sell strong weapons to everybody, but fact is, if none of the members will, somebody else will sell. Selling weapons is an economical fact in this world of Illarion and increasing your money is a strong motivation for it. I tried hard to sell my harps and horns, but most people only ask me for a bow or a firesword
Of course there are to many weapons on the street, and this is a big problem for those who suffer from attacks and violation. The same thing it is with magic, you can get every information at each corner of the town.
Therefore Iwould like to make two suggestions which might not solve the problem, but maybe help to make a sense on what we do.
Would it be possible that the community tell its members stuff that is needed, so that we can produce them for the community ? And the community would sell them from its members to a fair price, but underneath the price the community can sell them itself? And for that anyone who wants to buy weapons or other stuff on our "index" will be send to our community merchandiser. Maybe it sound confusing but i wonder if that could't work. And of course all members of elven community should buy the stuff they need at the communities members too.
The second point is: what's about a community academy? So many questions for every newbe, and for elder ones ometimes too. In this academy elves ca ask elves how things work, can train together with masters under their control and could get something like a spirit of elven community while they are teached. Couldn't this be a good way to find new members, and seed out the ideas of elven communities.
I have no plan in my pocket, how we can make this ideas become reality, but I would like to know, how you, dear colleagues, think about.
@Teesh: Because of "violation" in town by Khanor and me: This view was brought in by Simonic, so I think he should explain it to you from his view. I like your comparison with a visit-card, and in that way, Simonic of course was right to call us to order. But I am still strict in my opinon, that we didn't violate.
Teesh, you're right that we should not sell strong weapons to everybody, but fact is, if none of the members will, somebody else will sell. Selling weapons is an economical fact in this world of Illarion and increasing your money is a strong motivation for it. I tried hard to sell my harps and horns, but most people only ask me for a bow or a firesword
Of course there are to many weapons on the street, and this is a big problem for those who suffer from attacks and violation. The same thing it is with magic, you can get every information at each corner of the town.
Therefore Iwould like to make two suggestions which might not solve the problem, but maybe help to make a sense on what we do.
Would it be possible that the community tell its members stuff that is needed, so that we can produce them for the community ? And the community would sell them from its members to a fair price, but underneath the price the community can sell them itself? And for that anyone who wants to buy weapons or other stuff on our "index" will be send to our community merchandiser. Maybe it sound confusing but i wonder if that could't work. And of course all members of elven community should buy the stuff they need at the communities members too.
The second point is: what's about a community academy? So many questions for every newbe, and for elder ones ometimes too. In this academy elves ca ask elves how things work, can train together with masters under their control and could get something like a spirit of elven community while they are teached. Couldn't this be a good way to find new members, and seed out the ideas of elven communities.
I have no plan in my pocket, how we can make this ideas become reality, but I would like to know, how you, dear colleagues, think about.
@Teesh: Because of "violation" in town by Khanor and me: This view was brought in by Simonic, so I think he should explain it to you from his view. I like your comparison with a visit-card, and in that way, Simonic of course was right to call us to order. But I am still strict in my opinon, that we didn't violate.
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Hello =)
Yup, that i meant actually, Simonic can you explain, why you think that Khanors and Eols behaviour was 'violent' so we can discuss it?
@Eol:
- The Elven Academy is already planned, though there are very many things to plan about it, so it wont show up just in a few days. But the academy will rise for sure. Any ideas on how it should work are welcome =) At first i would like to ask all of you, what do you think should be taught in the academy?
- About the merchandising... i have no idea yet, but thats a plan worth considering. Though i am not sure if we want to alienate in this merchandising way... Rather not in any way... I also sell good weapons, armour and wands to many folks, but i dont do it, if i see that someone has tendencies to do evil things, like kill or so.
Yup, that i meant actually, Simonic can you explain, why you think that Khanors and Eols behaviour was 'violent' so we can discuss it?
@Eol:
- The Elven Academy is already planned, though there are very many things to plan about it, so it wont show up just in a few days. But the academy will rise for sure. Any ideas on how it should work are welcome =) At first i would like to ask all of you, what do you think should be taught in the academy?
- About the merchandising... i have no idea yet, but thats a plan worth considering. Though i am not sure if we want to alienate in this merchandising way... Rather not in any way... I also sell good weapons, armour and wands to many folks, but i dont do it, if i see that someone has tendencies to do evil things, like kill or so.
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By the way... yah, the server is down and i was supposed to sell stuff all day... ehh...
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Khanor Faenohan
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The Elven community could teach parry, so that we can protect ourselves from 'evil' and when monsters occasionally attack town we could help defeat them. Also we could teach the basics of glass blowing, peasantry, baking, and tailoring, or other skills that are not as straight forwards as smithing. I think that for raising parry, a small fee should be charged, because it is training a person rather that teaching them (simply 50-100g or something paid upfront). Any fees can go to the Community fund to help us make our shelter, which I personally would like to be more of an out-of-town sanctuary once we get enough money.
(Edited by Khanor Faenohan at 10:55 pm on June 23, 2002)
(Edited by Khanor Faenohan at 10:55 pm on June 23, 2002)
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Simonic Jace
- Posts: 51
- Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:58 pm
- Location: Vanima
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I wholeheartedly apologise to both of the elves whom I accused of acting violently. It has come to my attention that it was in fact a rather disgruntled elf; silentgun whom attacked me. I thought it was Eol. The three of us were very close standing to each other and I believed it was Eol who assaulted me. As a way of apologising to the entire community when next I am in town, I will submit my savings of 53 gold to the Elven Community...
However I still abide by my claim that both elves were acting unbecoming of their previously outstanding reputations because they were "high"
I hope this does not discredit me in the future, or mean that I am banned from the community, of which I greatly wish to be a part of.
Your's,
Simonic Jace;
Counsellor/Mystical Advisor...
Ps, I have forgiven silentgun, so please do not seek to punish him.
However I still abide by my claim that both elves were acting unbecoming of their previously outstanding reputations because they were "high"
I hope this does not discredit me in the future, or mean that I am banned from the community, of which I greatly wish to be a part of.
Your's,
Simonic Jace;
Counsellor/Mystical Advisor...
Ps, I have forgiven silentgun, so please do not seek to punish him.
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My dear members!
We are happy to announce that The Elven Community has become official! That means the Gods accept our community. The banner of the community will be placed on the main Illarion page in a few days.
Also we are let to build our shelter. That is as soon as the Gods announce the building period in Illarion and as soon as we collect enough silver ingots, so far we have about 130 ingots!
May peace and love be with you...
We are happy to announce that The Elven Community has become official! That means the Gods accept our community. The banner of the community will be placed on the main Illarion page in a few days.
Also we are let to build our shelter. That is as soon as the Gods announce the building period in Illarion and as soon as we collect enough silver ingots, so far we have about 130 ingots!
May peace and love be with you...
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I would like to thank you very much to Hyssena. This wonderful human girl donated us yesterday for over 8 silver ingots. Thank you very much Hyssena. I am happy that we have friend-folks of other races too =)
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I only regret that I had no more to give, Teesh. As an old aunt of mine used to say, "You don't become a bard for the money." Any group who promotes peace and friendship amongst the races can count me their ally, and I would gladly help in any way I can in the future.
Darkfang made a much more generous donation to Kalypse last night, and we both hope to help more in the future. As I said, I doubt I can be of much help in gathering silver, but I would like to do what I can.
After speaking with Kalypse in the tavern last night I wrote a short song-poem in honor of your noble cause, if you would grant me the honor if sharing it...
~Ode To The Elven Community~
Over the hills, deep in the meadow,
Dwells hope and sylvan sanctuary,
Like the starlit nights of long ago,
When elves did gather to dance and be merry,
'Round a bonfire the dream was born,
Of a place for peace, harmony, and love,
To gather away from anger, hatred, and scorn,
To be united in friendship before the gods above.
To this haven of the wise old souls,
Far from the streets full of murder with impunity,
May they realize all their hopes and goals,
And may we raise our glasses in toast, to the Elven Community.
~~~
Best wishes,
(Edited by Hyssena at 1:45 am on July 27, 2002)
Darkfang made a much more generous donation to Kalypse last night, and we both hope to help more in the future. As I said, I doubt I can be of much help in gathering silver, but I would like to do what I can.
After speaking with Kalypse in the tavern last night I wrote a short song-poem in honor of your noble cause, if you would grant me the honor if sharing it...
~Ode To The Elven Community~
Over the hills, deep in the meadow,
Dwells hope and sylvan sanctuary,
Like the starlit nights of long ago,
When elves did gather to dance and be merry,
'Round a bonfire the dream was born,
Of a place for peace, harmony, and love,
To gather away from anger, hatred, and scorn,
To be united in friendship before the gods above.
To this haven of the wise old souls,
Far from the streets full of murder with impunity,
May they realize all their hopes and goals,
And may we raise our glasses in toast, to the Elven Community.
~~~
Best wishes,
(Edited by Hyssena at 1:45 am on July 27, 2002)
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:):) *incredibly happy smiles*:):):)Hyssena! That was one lovely song-poem you wrote! I was most glad to talk to you yesterday and spend that time with such a talented bard. I´m most thankful that both you and your husband, Darkfang, are also trying to help us. I should thank you personaly next time I see you for the time you spent thinking about us. It´s really beautiful... hehe.. I never thought you could write such a thing after telling me that you were suffering from writing blockage... but I guess it was because, like you said yourself, you were trying to write a sad song while you were happy.
My sincere greetings to you...
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Dear Simonic Jace,
Now that I know why you have been so mad about us, especially me, I just have to show my respect in the way you worked it out. I didn't realize at all, that there was an attack around us, so busy with myself, unable to care about someone next to me who might have been in danger.
We should sit together next time we meet and have a glass of fresh water or something else, if you like. For my person spoken, and I am sure I can speak for Khanor too, there is nothing more to talk about that ugly happening, and I would be honoured if we both could make a new start.
@Hyssena: To your poem I heard the leaves repeating your words while I was reading them, heard the morning dew whispering your song while I was singing it, and finally I watched some water drops dancing down the river, bringing joy and hope into the hearts of elves along their way. And from a swallow high above I heard a wish: let there be more elves with an elven mind like this human has. Just want to say thank you.
Now that I know why you have been so mad about us, especially me, I just have to show my respect in the way you worked it out. I didn't realize at all, that there was an attack around us, so busy with myself, unable to care about someone next to me who might have been in danger.
We should sit together next time we meet and have a glass of fresh water or something else, if you like. For my person spoken, and I am sure I can speak for Khanor too, there is nothing more to talk about that ugly happening, and I would be honoured if we both could make a new start.
@Hyssena: To your poem I heard the leaves repeating your words while I was reading them, heard the morning dew whispering your song while I was singing it, and finally I watched some water drops dancing down the river, bringing joy and hope into the hearts of elves along their way. And from a swallow high above I heard a wish: let there be more elves with an elven mind like this human has. Just want to say thank you.
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Hail dear elves.
Great news! The Elven Community has it's Hymn. It is the poem that Hyssena, our talented human friend wrote for us. Thank you again Hyssena. The Hymn has been already placed on the communities website.
I would also like to thank Darkfang, our good friend orc, for his great donation of 25 silver ingots, and many thanks to Khanor, our member, for his donation of 10 silver ingots and many valueble items. We are very happy because this lets us hope, that we can build The Elven Shelter much sooner than later)
@Khanor: yes i think that it may be good to teach our members parry, thought if we will teach it in the academy, it wont be one of the most important lectures. For sure we will teach about the elven history and the elven race - so all members will have a great knowledge about themselves and their past
Peace, love and harmony with you dear elves and friends...
Great news! The Elven Community has it's Hymn. It is the poem that Hyssena, our talented human friend wrote for us. Thank you again Hyssena. The Hymn has been already placed on the communities website.
I would also like to thank Darkfang, our good friend orc, for his great donation of 25 silver ingots, and many thanks to Khanor, our member, for his donation of 10 silver ingots and many valueble items. We are very happy because this lets us hope, that we can build The Elven Shelter much sooner than later
)@Khanor: yes i think that it may be good to teach our members parry, thought if we will teach it in the academy, it wont be one of the most important lectures. For sure we will teach about the elven history and the elven race - so all members will have a great knowledge about themselves and their past
Peace, love and harmony with you dear elves and friends...
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Good news! Happily i announce our new members in the community: Askarion, a merchant and Ikaron a good baker =)
Also i would like to thank Khanor and Askarion for their big donations. Askarion has donated the community for 20 silver ingots and Khanor has donated his 30 silver ingots. We are getting more and more closer to the amount we need to build our shelter (which is not clear yet, but still much more than we have). So far we have collected over 250 silver ingots.
@Eol:
Eol, i heard you are leaving us... leaving Illarion for good... that's sad news... please say a word, will you come back ever? we will miss you... Please say something...
Also i would like to thank Khanor and Askarion for their big donations. Askarion has donated the community for 20 silver ingots and Khanor has donated his 30 silver ingots. We are getting more and more closer to the amount we need to build our shelter (which is not clear yet, but still much more than we have). So far we have collected over 250 silver ingots.
@Eol:
Eol, i heard you are leaving us... leaving Illarion for good... that's sad news... please say a word, will you come back ever? we will miss you... Please say something...