Bad dwarven roleplay

[Ghorn]

Tell me, where is the fun in a fantasy roleplaying game when you play dwarves like humans. When the dwarventown is leaded like a human town and when they are merry and huggling with all the other races?

Where is THERE the reason to play dwarves? To HAVE dwarves ingame. Where is the fantasy roleplaying game fun behind it? Where are the challenges and the great varietys of roleplaying other races behind it?

[Gro'bul]

When you want a short tempered, beer guzzling, axe wielding, gold hoarding, short, bearded, muscly, human. Fact of the matter is, pm a gm, they don't do anything your boned. I have wanted people to play their roles stereotypically based on race and attributes but they play them how they want to. Thats how it is, if I want to play an elf who wears a bucket on his head, trims hedges, frolics with imaginary living books, and eats toadstools I should have the option. If you want a dwarf who likes to stick cut gems up his nose and walks around naked, you should be able too.

[Aristeaus]

Ghorn, i would say this is an IC matter my friend. Yes these dwarfs may be sissy dwarfs, so how should Ghorn deal with them? Harden them up or have them killed. If you cant kill them personally hire someone who can. Your a mean arse dwarf, dont go to thier level, they are ursurpers, slay them..

[Jeremy Gems Willowbrook]

Where is the fun in RP if you have to play your character in a certain way?
Why must all dwarves be gumpy all the time? Why cant they be happy, until you piss them off? Maybe all these 'new age' dwarves are just trying to fit in with other cultures. And maybe,just maybe, they are hiding their real nature in an effort to do this.
Still waters run deep.
Dont judge a book by its cover.
Dont judge anyone by the image they show to the world. Until you get to know them you dont know what they are really like or capable of.
All cultures take on bits from other cultures when they start mixing freely.

[Theoric]

theoric and arameh haven't understood what I wrote. please read better the next time. It is bad dwarven roleplay that they want votes. want that the peoples decide, and not the king. if they want to play traitors with doing it behind the back of others, okay. but than they should do it as dwarves.

i didn't say they have to follow ghorn. but when they do something against him, than they shall do it like dwarves. they dont shall come and say ghorn is them too greedy, short tempered and too mean against nondwarves, oh please <_<. and they shall not start with votes, and desicions by the peoples, not by the king. that is the "american dream", but not dwarven roleplay.

Dwarves are greedy, they do love gold. the are fast at their axes when someone angers them. they are not the best friends with orcs and elfes. dwarves are rough guys, direct in their opinion and speach. THAT is normal dwarven characteristics. if you dont want to roleplay them, play no dwarf! so easy it is.

No Ghorn it is you who have misunderstood. I said the dwarves may not wnat to play traditinal dwarves, what if they do want to change things arround, ever crossed your mind?

[Thorgrimm]

If they dont want to play like normal Illarion Dwarfes it would be better that they play elfess or orcs.

Its a genetic thing, that Dwarfes likes gold and that they are fast with their axes - and they a rude to others. Play like Dwarfes, whom want to vote is like taking ooc in the game.
For me is funny to play a rough Dwarf, because RL i am a nice guy who helps without asking for money or something else.

It was interesting to see, that you can ask for anything you want - and get it - when you play it well.

In know Durgin with my other Char, and i like it, as person. He is nice and so. But he is too nice for a dwarf.

(sorry for my bad english))

[Keikan Hiru]

Without wanting to take a position in this discussion, I would like to mention that one shouldn't go too far astray from the "traditional pircture" of the race you are playing.
Within a reasonable frame however you are absolutly free to persuit the ideal of your ideas how a character might be.

A truly democratic dwarf society also sounds 'wrong' to me and I, personaly, would consider this as something you shouldn't push further.

Illarion and Illarion-related sites offer plenty of reading material about this, like Moonsilver for example.

[Thorgrimm]

yes its a realy good site

And i was very sad, when i heared, that dwarfes hates fish.
this was the best way to get food without walking to trillsbane. Whatever it so good tell that it wasnt a problem for me to walk the damned long way to trollsbane.

[Thurbert~]

Again as a player involved I want to put down my view on these matters:

The rebel group lead by Durgin and Belgram follows have no right to claim Silverbrand just because they are dwarves.

That'd be just the same as if a group of humans suddenly show up and decide that they want to rule Trollsbane or Varshikar just because they are human and they feel like it.

That's the first error I see in their roleplay. Dwarves trying to steal what others have build up. Honor anyone?

Furthermore I want to comment on the one giving that russia example:
They'd have any right to revolt if it'd actualy be their king, but I want to point something out:

Not every dwarf that comes to the island (or in game for that matter) immediately is citizen of Silverbrand or has any say in what will happen with the town.
The town has been build by some players and admittance has to be earned in-game. They can't just go there and say "Hey, we're new and we think we'll run this town better than all of you who build it up and got the town passed by those people who build it up so get the hell outta here"

This basically is a paraphrase of the error in their roleplay I previously mentioned.

It generally pisses me off that they keep playing from that point of view, a view a honest dwarf would never follow (yeah that's my personal oppinion there) because I never heard of a dwarven thief in all the fantasy novels games, etc. I know about so far or a group of dwarves that ambush another group to take their mountain and live in their town.

Tell me, would they really feel happy about it?
Yai, we slaughtered those who build all of this up and refused to follow their rules in their own town.
If that's the point all of you play a rather odd type of dwarves imho.

I do complain about this but I will keep playing along, just wanted to point out that I am in no way able to follow or grasp their motivation or beliefs.

[Cassandra Fjurin]

My 2 cents:

I think both sides look to extreme on this situation. Yes the character of the dwares is baiscally so that they are fast with their axes ....

but in this borders you can play them differently. Some think they have ever be unfriendly and harsh. But that is also untrue. Maybe all can meet in the middle?

The real extreme dwarf ist also not very often. The one who is the true, fast axeswining, really orc/elve hating, monarchistic .... dwarf. Theire character differs in the same way like in any other race. Only the basic character is the same. The most dwarfes only choleric but there are different ways of beeing choleric. And you don't have to swing around your axes every time.

Maybe. For example. The simpsons. I think Ned Flanders is also a bit choleric but he doesn't shouts out and insults. He only speaks some strange words like didledidu....

[Gromblun]

well everyone doesnt have to be the same, no real people are the always the same and have the same views just because they're human. your just pissed off that Ghorn isn't loved by everyone. get over it. dwarfes have freedom of thought so they can say what they like, like all of us

[Nilo]

Ghorn, Come on.

Do you have to bring it all back to OOC? Leave it RP. Its an RP game!

This doesn't matter, it really doesn't, and I think you should look past it, as it appears that your side had bad rp as well.

Im not attacking you, but the first topic was locked for a reason. Leave it be.

[Aristeaus]

That'd be just the same as if a group of humans suddenly show up and decide that they want to rule Trollsbane or Varshikar just because they are human and they feel like it.

They wouldnt have a chance against Varshikar

They would have to face the evil one known as Quinasasasaa

[Thorgrimm]

ok, i will let it be.

I hope, the roleplay that follows will be good. Now i am interested to see, what happened to next. All i have to say its written.

Good lick and good rp-moments to all

[Belgram]

I've been avoiding this thread for some time but after coming across this; i've become quite annoyed.

I want to discuss the roleplay of dwarves in the last days. To be honest, in my eyes the rp of Durgin, Belgram and Syrana sucks.

I personally don't like my roleplay to be insulted when it's you that moans all the time Ig and bring Ig matters to OOC. Whats the point in doing this? So you can have a jolly old moan and complain about MY roleplay. If you feel my roleplay sucks then feggin' get the details! Belgram isn't a normal dwarf and has a weak mind, did it ever cross your mind that he has been changed or even manipulated? Does it cross your mind before you start attacking me personally with insults?

And as I leave I ask you stop moaning IG, such as.

((po sylvana, use äme or you will get problems with the gms for using a crossbow without #me))

((well, words dont brings. they dont listen and just stay, what else to do))

((no potions whoile fighting))

((i said no potions!! damn oit!))

((that will go strasight to the gms))

[Faladron]

Chugging down potions in the middle of a fight is a technique frowned upon badly.
The weakest character could outlast every warrior if only he has enough potions and the other person none, or one person could stand against a group of attackers allthough not having comparable fighting skills.

[Belgram]

Yes, it's bad roleplay to chug during battle and fighting. Did any dwarf do so? Belgram drank one after killing Thorgrimm and as I recall all others were out of combat in the drinking time.

[Vulcha]

anyway if Ghorn an his followers wanted to win then they shouldve killed off the weak dwarves, not focus on the hard ones so that the weakest dwarves could just kill off Ghorn's followers with ease.

[Ghorn]

Durgin did. I was fighting with him, than he stopped attacking, drank a potion while i was still hitting him, and than he continued to attack me.

And Vulcha it is smarter to kill the strongest first <_<

Belgram, I gave the examples. you complained ingame that ghorn is too greedy, too fast with his axe, too short tempered. that he is not friendly enough to other races. you complained ingame that ghorn is a normal dwarf.

you also complained that the king decided who is the next king. and not the citizens. you know what a monarchy is, right?

[Belgram]

Yes, but that's an Ig matter. This is why I suggest this thread is to be closed. It's just Ig isssues OOC which we all don't need.

[Ghorn]

it is also ooc, as it is simply bad dwarven roleplay.

[Belgram]

Are you just trying to insult me or does this hold relevence?

[~Darius~]

Gods allmighty, stop crying all

Belgram, I gave the examples. you complained ingame that ghorn is too greedy, too fast with his axe, too short tempered. that he is not friendly enough to other races. you complained ingame that ghorn is a normal dwarf.

you also complained that the king decided who is the next king. and not the citizens. you know what a monarchy is, right?

Why does he have to agree with your views Ghorn, he allready pointed out his lack of willpower.

All i see here is cry cry cry cry.

Get over it, buy some kleenex, lock this lil moaney thread and resolve this IG.

[Dónal Mason]

Actually, it is traditional for the rulership of a monarchy to be decided by genetics, or whoever assassinated the current rules. And yes, the words greedy, short and temper sum up a dwarf perfectly. Ghorn, stop insulting people. People, stop telling Ghorn to stop whining and maybe you can discuss this properly without resorting to flaming.

[Vulcha]

monachy is when a king chooses an heir to his throne, this is always from his family. If that is not possible then the Pope chose the king (medieval times).

It has been shown many times in history that if a ruler is not liked then they can be overthrown, check the Russian revolution over the Tsars and the English Civil war for example (this is a bit time advanced but i havnt touched up on my medieval history) oh wait there is a medieval one. William the Bastard invanding england and defeated Harold Godwineson in battle (ring any bells to what happend in silverbrand?) and then claimed the throne!

Just because you have been crowned doesn't mean that a character will stay on the throne forever.

[Faladron]

Yeah but revolution means you have been part of the system before, which all those dwarves supporting Belgram and Durgin have not been. So.. they are dwarves and the citizens of Silverbrand are dwarves.
If we translate that to real life terms:

People of land A are prosperous.
People of land B think they could do better with the wealth of land A and thus besiege and capture land A.

That's no overthrow of government or a monarch by its own people, that's simple war and occupation of another nations land and goods...

[Vulcha]

no lol i was using the russian revolution as an example, i wasnt saying that what happend was a revolution

The invasion by william the conquerer happend because he believed he had a right to the throne, as does Durgin on the silverbrands throne.

[Nilo]

Perhaps their complaining of you being to fast to your ask, too greedy, and too tempered is because they are saying you are EXCESSIVELY Greedy, tempered, and fast to your axe. THey probably don't just say that because your a dwarf.

[Vulcha]

well i dont care what happend cos Ghorn's character struck first and was soundly beaten, now hes whineing like a baby so this thread is kinda useless.

[Arameh]

Yeah, its more like a war than a revolution though, i agree, since most of the attacker are not citizent of silverbrand. They are like rebels that takes a city by force, but thats their right and its no bad RP. You say Durgin is too nice?!God he took a city by force. I understand what Ghorn means though, it is true that a dwarf should not be played exactly like a human, but i think that Durgin and the others act like dwarves, though they think differently.

PS. Thats the first time i even partly agree with ghorn about something^^.