The Council of Seven - Knowledge is Power

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:08 am

Dear wise ones,

How do the today? I hope thou art fine.I have a matter that, I am sure, must be attended to.In the fair world of Illarion, there is a disease. It rests on many people of the world. Everyone has different degrees of this sickness. Foolishness is the sad sickness that has wrought itself uppon so many a lost lamb. I beg that you pay heed to my words , for they may help to dim the pressence of the ones called, foolishness and his brothers, mistake and ignorance.

Through my 6,150 years of life, I have seen foolishness and his brothers flourish, and die down like the darkness in the presence of a flame.When the wisest of all think, foolishness and his brothers always are hard to find.
However, today people,not everyone, seem to welcome the brothers company. They embrace it like they would a wife, or a husband. They kiss it and seem to glutton themselves in it all day long.Their faces brighten when they spot them coming.
Well it is a sad thing, these people who embrace it. So I have decided to plea to the highest guilds and courts in the land for a council..............a council of seven.With this council, foolishness,mistake and ignorance will crawl like a crippled old man.

I am no fool, I do understand that a council of simply seven sages can not rid the world of the brothers, but we can injure them. Everything in the world can be injured.I cry our to EVERY GUILD in the world of Illarion.

Remember, only seven people can join the council. I am the first.That leaves six other open places . Unless you want to support the Council of Seven, or attempt to join it, PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY LETTERS( ohh, and I am making a site for the council).The only reason I need support is because EVIL people wish to stop good council, as it is written in the book of the names. I would not mind to recieve donations, but not much. Donations would be used to ask the gods for a small, physical, and tangible meeting place. Not fancy or big.

Here is what will happen if you wish to join.

1. I will ask about your character of other people that I know to be wise.

2. I will question you myself.

3. I will consider your answers to my questions.

4. If all goes good, you shall join the council by my side to help give good words to those who
need them.

I beg that you first consider yourself before attempting to come into the council.I will not be silenced until a council is formed.It must happen. The foolish actions of the sad people of this age must be persuaded by a wise word. We in the council must do our best to pour our wisdom onto this generation of peoples.Some of the contents of the book of three will be attempted to be written on the site.

Considering the book of three.

The book of three was put together by a group of sages( much like the group I am trying to put together). It was a group that was started at the beggining of time. Even the gods heeded the advice of the group. Unfortunately , in the future, a group of demon lords , who hated the advice of goodness, killed all of the groups members. I came across the remains of what I believe they called the book of three.Little of the book was readable, but I am trying to decifer it. It is a book of wise sayings and of how to react in different situations. Once I decifer all I can, the Council of Seven will put together the Book of Seven.

My pen stands ready to write down the names of the rest of the Council of Seven.

1.Zeratul Aiur
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.

Please Respond

Sincerest of all my letters,

Zeratul Aiur

Gurok · Post by **Gurok** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 7:40 am

tell me more of what you wish to do with the group of seven. do you propose laws? do you propose an enforcement system? As of now I submit my name to your council, but it may be withdrawn if I do not agree with your ways. Good luck my friend, we need it.

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:41 pm

Dear Gurok,

Since you wish to join, I do not have to ask others about your character, I already know about you. I have heard many a good word about you, and very little people speak ill of you. This tells me that you are a well thought of person. You pass the first. And if the people of Illarion do not think ill of the Council of Seven making laws, we would be delighted to do so. Only by agreement and popular voting of those in the Council of Seven would laws be made though.As for an enforcement system, maybe. But the Council of Seven would have to vote to select only the strongest and most capable of enforcers, so they get the job done right. Then we would HAVE to have the laws, so if everyone agrees with the Council of Seven making laws, then yes we would have them enforced.I will ask you questions later Gurok, to see if you may join. If you get in the council, then you help me question the next up-coming member.

Sincerely,
Zeratul Aiur( the geezer)

Rhiko · Post by **Rhiko** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:44 pm

I just looked at this and it intrigued me!Well you know how i am the cops!? well if we can get the power to make laws , i can have an eaiser job,no more trying to become a God so i can be everywhere at once!I will Gladly join your group Zeratulll Aiur!I will start trying to get ut law making powers,Job's and money for homeless(if they want to work).I mean,Hanging out with wise people shall make me even wiser! So i must go but I will join,goodbye

Gandela · Post by **Gandela** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:40 pm

Buah?! übersetzung???......BITTE! *hundeblick* *g*

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 6:32 pm

Dear Rhiko,

From what I know of you, you are one huge and powerful orc. But being strong doesn't make you wise. However, if we do write down laws, you will be one of the first to enforce them I am sure. You may not join the council NOW only because you tend to act instead of think. If we get laws, I know you will enforce them. Please do not take this as an insult. I must consider everything and everyone who wishes to join the Council of Seven. I mean no insult to you, you are a mighty warrior and have a brave heart, but you can not join the actual council. I would be glad for you to be in alliance with us, and to uphold the laws if the gods say it is alright for us to write them. If I see a change in your actions, I will consider you for the Council of Seven.Thank you ohh brave hearted warrior.

Sincerely,
Zeratul Aiur

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 6:34 pm

Dear Gandela,

I speak not much german. I would appreciate it if someone would explain what Gandela is trying to tell me.

Sincerely,
Zeratul Aiur

Sir Aragonius · Post by **Sir Aragonius** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 7:18 pm

#me smiles

Gandela says: I don't speak much english, could somebody translate Zeratul Aiurs words in german?

#me snickers

Greetings

Ara

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Sun Apr 14, 2002 8:54 pm

you council of seven will fail.

veralion · Post by **veralion** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:33 am

I would like to join this councel of 7....but i will need to know more about it. Nevermind Llyod,
he will soon find it shall work more than likely...

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:17 am

Dear Veralion,

I do not listen to Lloyd, he is just trying to dissapoint me. I already told people that I would not give up until the Council of Seven was formed.And as for you joining it, I will have to get people to tell me about your character. I do not know you very well. Please explain your character truthfully, not leaving out even the bad characteristics. Ask some of your friends to tell me about you. Then I will ask you AND Gurok questions that will determine if you get in the Council of Seven or not.OHH, AND DOES ANYBODY KNOW IS ANYONE OPPOSES THE LAW MAKING IDEA YET? ONCE THE COUNCIL OF SEVEN IS MADE, WE WILL MAKE SOME LAWS THAT WILL HOPEFULLY BE ENFORCED.

Sincerely,
Zeratul Aiur

Peggy Komoshio · Post by **Peggy Komoshio** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:26 am

Quite a few of you seem to be against it, yet I don't see how we know it'll fail if we don't even try, I will put my name down in support of it. We shall see if it fails as time goes on.

Gandela · Post by **Gandela** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:56 am

Zeratul Aiur since when are you on Illarion? ((ooc: what's your number))

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:17 pm

Before I decided to kill Dyluck, I did research on a man called sean-san, he is dead now but he TRIED a guild council, after being voted out of the thing he thought he had created he abbdanoned it and no one has taken it over as of yet.
I dont want to disapont you, but once your council has taken over, you will be left alone.
this is all inconclusive evidence,but all names and events stated above are true.

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:13 pm

Veralion, are you demon possesed? If so, you can not join.

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:24 pm

Dear Lloyd,

To tell the truth of the matter, sean-san never was a trully agrreable person. I respected him, but the truth is he was foolish. He would twist stories way out of proportion so he would not get himself in trouble. I also would see him run and get people who were strong so that he could have there help to kill HIS enemy. I liked him until some of his unwarrior like qualities came out. I still treated him with respect, but in my heart I felt sorry for the path that he was taking.I truthfully think that anything with sean-san related issues are headed for trouble . He would allways look for an arguement and would provoke a fight. He did not make a good leader. And if his re-incarnated form is anything like the older one, then I feel sorry for him. So Lloyd, I do not think I am foolish enough not to understand that anything with sean-san at the head of it, is headed down the wrong road. He causes strife and arguements so break out. It is easy to understand why the other council failed , he was in it.I may misjudge you wrongly, but are you trying to cause strife like he did? If you can not support us, please stop posting here.

Sincerely
Zeratul Aiur( thank you all for your support)

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:55 pm

Zeratul Aiur,
Your idea seems, in the FIRST view, to be a wise one. I Hope that you are really acting because of the reasons you gave, and NOT because of a simple striving for power.
Additionally, you will "test" the ones who want to join your attempt. But you yourself are not "tested" anyhow... As it seems, you claim to be a wise person. But be warned : The ones who claim to have reached wisdom, will loose their little part of it in the same moment they do so ! Wisdom is a virtue that can never be reached. We can never claim to have reached it - we must strive for knowledge and truth with every part of ourselves, and we must never stop striving.
We ourselves cannot claim to be wise, nor can we claim the right to choose who is "wise" and who is not.

In these lands, we had a meeting of many guilds - a guild council. This council was unable to make "laws" because of thise reason :
There is no common time in this world yet, therefor, every meeting time must be translated in different times.

In these guild council meetings, that were organized and started by Sean-San, who calculated the time differences and prepared them for a long time ( except for the last two trials, they were planned too short-timed and failed ), SEVERAL things were discussed. For example, a town council thing, that could decide laws for the public.

In this council, the necessary requirements for guilds to take part in the guild council were set.
It was decided that the guild council will form a part of the town council, with several "free candidates" from the public, who will be elected to their duties as "Town mayor" and supporting persons. Additionaly, Town Guards would have been selected too.
This overall structure would lead to two different councils : A guild council, and a town council. The guilds would support the common structure by lending manpower to the town council, to support the lawkeepers.
A working power is only possible when it is supported by the majority of people ! Every other trial will fail. The guilds can bring up a lot of support - no council would work without their support, or against them. And the public needs a voice in it, too, to get suported by the un-bound people.
So, we still need to organize a town council - the guild council stands. Not to forget the SMACC-council, who should support the town council too, and must be elected too. Election campaigns are running at the moment. Election date and time have not been set yet, but they will take part in the near future.

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:56 pm

Damien is right since we all seem to have rahter differant times it work work out properly, and so are you, yes sean-san was a fool, and a little on the nuttyside. I never met him personally just lasukie-kai, he wanted to live, make everything a party, be happy. But the truth is this is impposible. When he had finally found this out, it took little to get him to understand....just some "friends" who injured him in the worst way, taking the last thing he held onto, you see sean-san died for his families honor but lasukie sealed his soul in that sacred spell becuase his views could not be met, thus he came to terms with having his life "stored" until it could be met.

((lol, that was hard to type, I sent an email to sean-san AKA lasukie last night, and this is the answer I got. well mostly, the rest is read between the lines))

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:50 pm

I have one question, why must it be only seven people? and should not
all people have a say about who will have such power?

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:08 am

@Zeratul Aiur: Your goals are noble. Unfortunately for it to succeed, it requires much leadership and organization than to simply say "we will form a council". You seem like a good man Zeratul, but I don't think you have enough influence and respect yet to inspire confidence in leading such a council, nor the background knowledge to best decide who should be on such a council.

@Lloyd: I don't want to get in an arguemnt with you, but as I told him in another life long ago, all his problems originated from himself. The friends of sean/Lasukie had kept giving him chances and continued to believe in him despite all his bad qualities, yet he let them down and continued to misbehave until they finallly broke out at him. I was really disappointed because after I gave a long speech to let him see his problems and flaws, I thought sean/Lasukie finally understood and was ready to change and become better person, but instead he continued his petty ways again eventually.

(you don't need to bother pretending, almost everyone can easily tell that you're the same player of sean/lasukie, since your behavior is almost exactly the same.)

(Edited by Dyluck at 5:17 pm on April 15, 2002)

Friabo · Post by **Friabo** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:38 am

Dyluck I totally agree with you .... Lloyd is a trouble maker I dont know him well...but from the little tiem i spent with him i concluded that he is a liar, Player killer, and idiot....You have my support against Lloyd should you get into an argument

Friabo · Post by **Friabo** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:42 am

Lloyd you are a fool....Zeratul...I too am a mage though i have not lived in this hobbit form for long i have passed through the world of illarion in many forms....Zeratul i would be honored to join this Council...I would tryto pass law to silece fools like this Lloyd

Friabo · Post by **Friabo** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:46 am

Dyluck you have my total support should you get into an argumetn with Lloyd..I dont know Lloyd well but from teh few moments i spent with him i concluded that he is a liar, a fool, a player killer, and a trouble maker....Zeratul I would be honored to join your COuncil..I too am a mage though i have lived not long in this hobbit form of mine i have passed through the world of illarion in may guises...Should i join the COuncil my first action would be to make a law to silence fools such as Lloyd!

Friabo · Post by **Friabo** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:53 am

Dyluck you have my total support against Lloyd should you get into an argumetn with him i dont know himw ell but from teh few monets i spent with him i concluded that he is a fool, liar, player killer, and trouble maker....Zeratul i would be honored to join this council I too am a mage though i have not lived long in this hobbit form i have traveld through the world of illarion in many forms....Should i be accepted...my first law would be a law that silenced fools like Lloyd....Peace out

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:56 am

Dyluck, Badmosche told me to sort things out with you, but...
you insult me for my oppinons

like I said as long as I bare the rebbelion emblem, I will act as my supperiors orderd.

and,

I dont know why the halfling just said he agreed with you thatI am a fool, but if you called me that, an "argument" is inivitable.

Edit: del ooc

(Edited by GMcFly at 1:38 am on April 17, 2002)

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:04 am

Not to get off topic Lloyd, but then why are your email addresses the same? Bet you cant explain that one....

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:08 am

((sorry for making a total OOC post and making an argument but, are
you really not sean-san? you knew my name even though i had never introduced
myself to you and you did something Lasukie had done two weeks earlier, creepy..))

Zeratul Aiur · Post by **Zeratul Aiur** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:04 am

You people , do you not understand, have you not heard me? This Council of Seven is not about power or prestige. I do not claim to be wise, but I do claim to be aged. With age, normally, comes knowledge. In other forms of characters I have seen much, I have heard much, and know much . My aged mind hears all and misses little. I am not trying to out-do anyone, but I am older and have much experience with other people. Let me reming you about what the Council of Seven is about. It is here to give good advice. So people can post questions and the Council of Seven can think through, and find out the best answer to solving problems. I wanted no laws to begin with and said if the ability to make them was passed to the Council of Seven, that the council would use the ability wisely. I do not really worry about , if the council can or can not make laws. Remember, THE COUNCIL IS FOR GOOD ADVICE, DO NOT MISJUDGE IT FOR A GROUP OF POLITICS AND HERETICS. Out of the goodness of my heart I offer good judgment to others freely, and ask for others to help me in my decisions( the council). And you all, turn it into a political issue. Here is what I have to say about the council.

IT IS ONLY HERE TO GIVE GOOD ADVICE TO OTHERS . IT WAS NEVER MADE TO MAKE LAWS OR GET POLITICAL. IF THE ABILITY TO MAKE LAWS PASSES TO THE COUNCIL OF SEVEN, WE WILL TAKE IT AND USE IT CORRECTLY. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FORCE LAWS AND RULES DOWN PLAYERS THROATS, WE ARE TRYING TO LEND A HELPING HAND TO EVERYONE.

C O N G R A D U L A T I O N S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gurok is in the council of seven! I have seen his actions through these arguements , and in his life, he seems inteligent enough and practical enough. Here is the list of the Council of Sevens member so far.

1. Zeratul Aiur
2.Gurok
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.

Keep asking me to join and telling me about yourself if you wish to join. Just telling me you want to join wont do.

I am pleased to see the co-operation thus far, sincerely,
Zeratul Aiur

Peggy Komoshio · Post by **Peggy Komoshio** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:37 am

Dy, even though theres a little "You don't like me and I don't trust you" kind of situation between us, I must say that I agree with you. Lloyd showed absolutely no respect here what so ever while coming in with the comment of "Your council will fail".

Lloyd, at least let him have his chance please Lloyd? How would you know if its going to fail without even seeing it being practiced at all? Have some respect and patience, all well reveal in time.

Dyluck · Post by **Dyluck** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:03 am

@Zeratul Aiur: I understand your cause, but like I said: Do you really think you have what it takes to lead this council to make sure it will stand for what it's supposed to, and enough background knowledge of the people in this town to decide who are intellegent and wise enough for the council? Although you seem wise, I honestly think you do not know the people of this town well enough to be able to make the best selection for who should be in such a council.

@Llyod: I can't believe how stubborn you are. Doesn't the things I wrote about sean and lasukie make you reflect on your own behavior a little bit? I'm sure sean/lasukie must have told you about the speech I made long ago to them. I tried to help sean understand that he was disliked because it was his own problem of his behavior and attitude, and not because of others as he blamed them. I thought I succeeded in helping him, but I guess he still never learned and neither did you.

Don't bring Badmosche's incident into this. It was your own fault for screaming things about an event that happened when you weren't even there, but being the petty man that you still are, you thought you could take the opportunity to call me a coward and try to take a stab at my reputation.

Go check all postings on the walls if you like and you'll find that I never once insulted you without you having insulted me first. I didn't call you anything, but since you keep saying I insulted you even though I didn't, then I do conclude you're stupid then. If everypne acted just like you, they would be threatening you for every single post you write. You only seem to know how to respond to everything with "YOU INSULT ME, I WILL KILL YOU!"

(Nice try, but now we know you're a liar too, it's no wonder your friends gave up on you. Oh sean give it up, your character idea and behavior is almost EXACTLY the same, and yeah you forgot that the email addy you put on your profile is exactly the same as sean and lasukie's. You really have to do better than this and behave better if you want to make a clean start again. I felt sympathy when I first wrote this posting but your bad behavior has driven me to write out your flaws again in hopes that you might finally learn this time.)