Official mining prices

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:56 pm

Currently the prices of coal, iron ore, gold nuggets, coppers ore, copper ingots, iron ingots and gold ingots arent really fair, they are staying still even though many changes happened in the mines and all. The coal for me is as hard as iron to get, thus should be the same price, even though now the difference is between coal and iron is clearly different for the same amount of efforts. I would suggest an official price for all theses things that would be fair and that everyone could use. So i will be more fair and there will be more coal miners, coal that we currently lack. Here is what i propose:

Iron ore:3 coppers
Coal:3 coppers
Gold nugget:25 coppers
Copper ore:1 coppers
Copper ingot:5 coppers
Iron ingots:8 coppers
Gold ingots:150 coppers

The price of copper ore is low i know but no one barely buy copper ingots, thats why. The prices may change but right now i think they are fair. I would like to know what other peoples think about theses prices.
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Pocal · Post by **Pocal** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:04 am

I think that the price of gold is a little high. I do not have much trouble getting it out of rocks. Maybe about half the price for the raw nuggets.

Rogan Silverbeard

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:23 am

look,by example,i can carry 8 gold nuggets or 50 iron ore,they must worth the same,they are the same efforts from the same mine and have the same weight.If we follow my current prices,8 gold nuggets worth 260 coppers and 50 iron ore worth 150 coppers...right,yes i will make a change,then 20 coppers each gold nuggets would be 160 for 8 nuggets that is about the same as iron.Then the gold ingot price will go down to 140 coppers.There its changed.
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Torin Irongem · Post by **Torin Irongem** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:28 am

I agree with most urr prices Arameh, but coal should be more like 1.5 not 3. An copper ore should be .5 not 1.5.

Torin Irongem

Athian · Post by **Athian** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:30 am

you should speak it over with other miners and smiths in a gathering perhaps instead of making prices on your own. see what everyone has to say. else you maye find yourself under sold or overpaying.

Athian

Pocal · Post by **Pocal** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:34 am

I can carry up to Nine gold nuggets Arameh. You shouldn't base prices just on what you alone can carry.

Rogan

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:47 am

I made that post to discuss the prices Athian,and will change them if the other person asking is right like rogan was.For the coal,it is as hard to get as iron if not more,because its far to get there.For the copper ore i must say im not sure of its price,that will surely be changed.And for the thing with carrying 8 or 9 nuggets im not talking of strenght,im talking of the value of the item depending on its weight,i made theses prices depending on their weight and distance to travel to get there.Lets change the copper ore to 1 coppers each and 4 each ingots.
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Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:36 am

I agree with having coal and iron ore at 3 copper a piece, but I sell gold bars for 200.

Calen Plane · Post by **Calen Plane** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:37 am

Arameh be good an' kind person. He 'as 'elped meh wit mining so I say it be worth 100 coppers teh 'ive him fer it. His prices also be 'ood, fair, an' resonable.

Torin Irongem · Post by **Torin Irongem** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:37 am

Arameh is right 'bout the gold bein' 20 coppers a nugget. An maby 3 is fair fur coal but 1 is high fur copper.

Torin

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:38 am

i know but...its like half peoples saying gold nuggets worth 20 and other half 40,i dont know what to put everyone complain of it whatever.I put it to 20 since the gold price got down,but its true 20 is a bit low.
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Poots · Post by **Poots** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:37 am

I have fought about this many times. There are the rich, and there are the poor. Alexander for example, is one of the rich, charging 200 per an ingot. but there are also the poor who can't afford that. many people sell to the rich such as Alexander, Salathe, Durin, Surin, and others. Then they come to people like me, (the poor) and expect me to pay the same as salathe. the poor outnumber the rich, yet the rich want the prices to still be high , so that only they can afford them, and only they have their own miners. 20 coins per a nugget is the usual price that the poor can afford price.

but that brings up another point. we can't set an official price and expect people to go with it. what stops salathe from paying ten coins more than anyone else and getting all the ore he comes across? I get people trying to sell me gold nuggets, I'll say 20 coins, and they'll say, "Surin pays 50 coins per a nugget, if you want my gold you'll have to pay 60 coins".... something I can't afford, and Surin gets the gold.I hope he enjoys it. this is life, and you can't change it by putting up a piece of paper. Surin get gold bars, Salathe gets iron bars. I agree with Athian, a meeting would help. Until then, all you rich bastards, especially Surin, and Salathe, enjoy you money. May you be happy while the rest suffer

Allen, the goldsmith

this note looks like it was written fast and is sloppy, as if written out of anger

Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:47 am

Is this to sell or to buy?

At any rate, I think that copper things need to be raised, and the iron ingots should probably be a little higher too.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:47 am

I understand that, but then dont buy gold...go mine it. The prices cant be good for everyone, but we need good prices so that peoples dont buy iron 3 time the price of coal that is as hard. Some rich peoples buy everything and make tons of coppers easily and most peoples, poors cant afford them, go mine all day to make exemple 100 iron ingots and get 15 crappy helmets of that. I know that,but it always has been like that, some rich and tons of poor, but its not the subject of my topic.
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Poots · Post by **Poots** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:59 am

the subject is prices. I'm saying that there can be no official price, these are all opinions. but the price I have bought and sold for, to many many others, is 20 coins. but nothing matters anymore. Surin pays 50 per a nugget. very VERY few will sell to anyone if they don't pay 50 coins or more now that Surin pays that. the highest bid wins. end of story.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:20 am

Sure that my price will not remove all problems, but there will be less. The prices will be more adequate and new miners will be able to know the official prices to give them an idea. The only thing left to do now is using theses prices, i will,and if most peoples do so and help me get the prices even better in not so long miners will go get every materials equally. Now every miners get iron ore because it give twice more than coal and smith have to go get their coal, if we follow theses prices we wont lack coal no more and all the smything,goldsmithing and mining gain of coppers will depend of how hard we work and no more on what material sells for the highter price. If anyone think a price is not right than post here and i may change it if its logic, im not doing thins for my personal gain because theses prices will in opposite get me poorer since i will have to buy my coal at highter price cause i get getting my iron myself. But i do this to make the system more fair as it was not before.
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Nilo · Post by **Nilo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:29 am

Well mining and smithing isn't meant to be the best way of making money, and it's not meant for everyone. It's a lot of work, but it pays off in the end if you stick with it. It's always been like this and i see no problem with the way it is right now....

Calilmal · Post by **Calilmal** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:48 am

That is waaay to high prices.

When my daddy lets me go out of town again I can start selling ores for cheaper prices aswell. Currently I get my iron for the price of 1 coin/ore.

Alica Rothman
Smith and Carpenter

Liles · Post by **Liles** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:51 am

Indeed, this idea as a whole is utterly stupid. You can not expect people to sell at a fixed price; it doesn't work like that. You must rethink this idea as I have been doing for some time. I am currently working on a Miners union with fair pricing so we don't all have to pay 50 copper for gold or 4 copper for iron. Also, it may be possible to draw up a 'fair price' act so that all that sign get fair pricing for selling and buying.

Of course, if you wish to take a same pricing approach, Arameh, I will discard my idea and continue my work; it's up to you people which idea you prefer.

Regards,
Liles.

Salathe · Post by **Salathe** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:47 pm

Poots wrote:I have fought about this many times. There are the rich, and there are the poor. Alexander for example, is one of the rich, charging 200 per an ingot. but there are also the poor who can't afford that. many people sell to the rich such as Alexander, Salathe, Durin, Surin, and others. Then they come to people like me, (the poor) and expect me to pay the same as salathe. the poor outnumber the rich, yet the rich want the prices to still be high , so that only they can afford them, and only they have their own miners. 20 coins per a nugget is the usual price that the poor can afford price.

but that brings up another point. we can't set an official price and expect people to go with it. what stops salathe from paying ten coins more than anyone else and getting all the ore he comes across? I get people trying to sell me gold nuggets, I'll say 20 coins, and they'll say, "Surin pays 50 coins per a nugget, if you want my gold you'll have to pay 60 coins".... something I can't afford, and Surin gets the gold.I hope he enjoys it. this is life, and you can't change it by putting up a piece of paper. Surin get gold bars, Salathe gets iron bars. I agree with Athian, a meeting would help. Until then, all you rich bastards, especially Surin, and Salathe, enjoy you money. May you be happy while the rest suffer

Allen, the goldsmith

this note looks like it was written fast and is sloppy, as if written out of anger

What? Dont bring me into this, no one sells me any ignots anymore. And im all for cheaper prices.

~SK

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:25 pm

Liles wrote:Indeed, this idea as a whole is utterly stupid. You can not expect people to sell at a fixed price; it doesn't work like that. You must rethink this idea as I have been doing for some time. I am currently working on a Miners union with fair pricing so we don't all have to pay 50 copper for gold or 4 copper for iron. Also, it may be possible to draw up a 'fair price' act so that all that sign get fair pricing for selling and buying.

Of course, if you wish to take a same pricing approach, Arameh, I will discard my idea and continue my work; it's up to you people which idea you prefer.

Regards,
Liles.

Did i misunderstood or youre saying you want more fair price, thats why i made that board!And peoples will help me change theses prices if they are inadequate, now smiths that were buying their materials with ridiculous prices to peoples that mine all day will complain i know. But thats exploitment,no miner should sell his iron ore 1 coppers each by example, thoses that complain like Liles are doing this for their self gain because they want to keep buying things at much too small prices.And yes Liles,if you react like that i prefer you "continue" your work. Im not asking everyone to follow theses prices to the letter, im just saying its what theses things worth to help all the mining/smithing trade and make it fair.
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Liles · Post by **Liles** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:57 am

Arameh, your very prices are for yourself; it's not hard to see such a fact. You can't keep up and try to change the market for yourself and nobody else. If you had thought of others copper would be higher; as it takers the same skills and swing as iron to collect. I will indeed continue my work but be sure i'll be reading the insults and compliants people hurl at you.

Liles

Lauranthalas · Post by **Lauranthalas** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:58 am

Liles, Arameh

I myself am not interested in smithed goods but have taken interest in this thread. In my early years on this isle, a list was called which went by the name of SMACC. This list had catalogued most items on this isle for a ' rough ' idea of what should be charged. It helped to guide new traders on the isle, and to keep older traders in date.

Such a list which Arameh trys to make with the aid of others on this isle shall be nothing but an asset which can help all find a fair deal. Whereas at the moment, there is no guide, which means those new to the isle shall find themselves at a disadvantage.

Lauranthalas

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:14 pm

Liles, theses prices as i said thousands of times are changed by anyone that tell me something that is right, read all i said or stop posting. For the copper ore, some peoples ask me to put it 0.5 each rock and some 1.5. The copper ore is easily than iron because it is lighter and is very easy to mine, i dump about 20 each trips i go to get iron. Its IMPOSSIBLE to make prices that everyone find completely right, i make the average of theses items to give an idea to peoples of what it worth. At least i did something at the opposite of you that complain all day and never do anything useful. I agree completely with Lauranthalas.
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Liles · Post by **Liles** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:28 pm

You've posted and repeated yourself five times; much less than One thousand unless your math skill is below that of a rock. Does this allow me to post? Well, I shall do so anyway.

Who said I do not do anything useful? I'm showing you that the idea of a price that nobody will follow is complete crap, to be quite honest. These guidelines hold no power over people and only applys to new miners; the ones you can cheat. Correct? Now how can it be that you make copper low just becuase it's junk to you? Iron I give away or throw away, does that mean it should be priced the same as copper or less? Does it mean because I in large ammounts I can't take a percent of the price off? You're putting goldsmiths and miners, as copper is one of the first things they can mine consistantly with their skill towards ore, at a huge disadvantage. Now, to the guidelines, I must stop trading iron to copper and start buying gold for outrages prices.

If you think your own drawing up is going to stop these things from happening then you are gravely mistaken. You can not expect one to buy gold or copper at a fixed average price because the guidelines say so. This itself can not stop Surin buying more gold or others to buy at increased prices to, in the long run, increase their profits.

Liles.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:51 pm

You dont understand anything isnt? Read my posts again because to me that last post you made was completely illogic and stupid. NO one will buy copper ore 3 coppers each because its the easyiest thing to get, simple. And yes im sure my prices will be used, or at least peoples like you will stop buying coal 1 coppers each.Theses prices are the AVERAGES. Before i make theses prices peoples were trading coal 2 coppers each and iron ore 5, that was completely bad since theses 2 ressources are the same difficulty to get, and you say making theses prices was useless? Seriously i though you were not as stupid to say such idiotic arguments. Keep a bit of pride and next time say something that make sense.
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Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:54 pm

"You've posted and repeated yourself five times; much less than One thousand unless your math skill is below that of a rock. Does this allow me to post? Well, I shall do so anyway. "

I do not quite appreciate you insulting the intelligence of one of my students. Let it be known that he probably holds more intelligence than you sir Liles, which can be easily seen in your reasoning and posting structure. Do not throw around insults, even though indirect, so easily, and especially not against one that I am guiding. Trust me, I can outtalk and outreason you.

~Misjilah Mehialho~

Liles · Post by **Liles** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:50 am

If I have insulted you, Misjilah, I am truely sorry as this was in no way my intention. Also, I hope Arameh will also accept an apology and cut it short. I have no intention of adding more notes but if you must pull me back then so be it. I am sorry, to both, for the words I have said. Hopefully I will leave it at that,

Liles.

Arameh · Post by **Arameh** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:14 am

Apology accepted.
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Jeanette · Post by **Jeanette** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:14 am

Lets not argue, everyone. We can all be adults here. And also remember that this list is a rough guideline, no one has to follow such prices exactly. I myself have sold copper ore for 3 copper apiece on more than one occasion and the price was decided buy the buyer, not myself.

Aspriring miner,
Jeanette