A new guild.

WolfSociety · Post by **WolfSociety** » Fri May 25, 2001 7:17 pm

*A Figure comes in during the cover of night so as not to be noticed for whom it really is. *

I am starting a new guild and its place of residence will be up and running soon. It is possible that it could be up and running within a week. But until then this is just a foreshadowing message of the presence that will come to be known in this land as the Wolf Society.

*Hobbling off with staff in hand the old person looks behind to make sure no one saw puting up the piece of paper. *

(Edited by WolfSociety at 5:04 pm on Sep. 14, 2001)

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat May 26, 2001 12:54 am

from the shadows emerges another person. He wears a cloak over his head, and as the other person leaves, he removes it. The pointed ears show that he is of elven origin, and sees very well in the dark...
Damien reads the notice, and nods silently, writing an answer:
"As long as you do not cause problems for us, we may perhaps support you, if you and your people prove to be worthy. Only time can show.
- The Order"
he then pins the note under the other one, and leaves the place without causing any sound or noise.

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Sat May 26, 2001 10:34 am

Oh Mann, sagt mir nicht, schonwieder eine neuie von diesen Kleinkinder-Gilden

Ich würde mich echt gerne, und das schreibe ich jetzt alles, um bewusst die GROSSE Diskussion zu vermeiden, auf Deutsch, dafür einsetzen und bereitstellen, ein Gildenwächter und Kontrolleur, wie die Sachen mit den Gildensteinen bei UO...

Think `bout it, Bror =)

Eleanor Rigby · Post by **Eleanor Rigby** » Sat May 26, 2001 8:30 pm

ja, da haste recht. ich stelle mir ungefähr dieses scenario vor: es gibt offizielle und inoffizielle gilden. die offiziellen gilden fügen sich in die spielwelt ein und arbeiten mit der spielleitung zusammen, die inoffiziellen kann jeder machen, und wenn sie stimmig genug sind können sie sogar offiziell werden. die entscheidung ob eine gilde offiziell ist oder nicht liegt alleine bei der spielleitung, entscheidend ist nicht die mitgliederzahl sondern wie stimmig sich die gilde in das weltgefüge einbaut. dein ritterorden, sturm, hätte meiner meinung nach als einzige gilde in illarion momentan die chance offiziell zu werden.

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Sun May 27, 2001 1:06 am

Nun, ich bin nur teil des ganzen mit meinen Jungens, ich gehöre ja immer noch offiziell, und das wird auch so bleiben, zum Orden des Grauen Lichts. Aber deine Idee ist niocht schlecht, und ich denke, wenn Bror aus dem Urlaub wieder da ist, sollten wir ihn mal auf "Gamemaster-Accounts" ansprechen...Ich denke, der Feste Kern der "Alten Spieler" der sich wirklich Rollenspieltechnisch Etabliert hat, könnte, wenn Bror uns lässt (ich denke, wir deutschsprachigen scheinen die Einzigen zu sein, die was von Rollenspiel verstehen - siehe miene anderen HASS-Posts

) ein bisschen in Illarion aufräumen zu können.

Denn eins ist Klar, wenn es so weitergeht, dann hat Illarion sich in ein zweites Tibia verwandelt, ohne das wir was tuen lönnen, denn bei der derzeitigen Lage wird sich diese "Verkinderung" unseres Geliebten Illarions bald wie gesagt auf Tibiaebene bewegen...ich sage sogar ehrlich, das wir schon darüber gesprochen haben, uns im UO-Weltall der FreeShards anzusiedeln...aber dafür haben wir uns nicht erst hier einen Namen gemacht, um dann abzuziehen vor ein paar KINDERN die meinen uns das Rollenmspiel versauen zu müssen...

Naja. bis denne!

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun May 27, 2001 4:40 pm

Nope. Es gibt ne Menge englischsprachige gute Rollenspieler.
Ich hatte mal ne Idee mit Netzen zum Leute fangen... und Kriminelle bei Wächtern abgeben, um Kopfgeld zu kassieren.
=)
Steht irgendwo am Proposal Board. Hoffe daß Bror das gelesen hat, vielleicht bringt ihn das auf ne geniale Idee oder zwei =)

Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Sun May 27, 2001 10:30 pm

i really need to learn some german.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun May 27, 2001 11:18 pm

sorry

just philosophic stuff about guilds.

Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Mon May 28, 2001 3:31 am

it's alright i just really need to learn german cause i know sometimes i miss some things.

Eleanor Rigby · Post by **Eleanor Rigby** » Mon May 28, 2001 6:47 am

hey cool, you want to learn german just because you need it in illarion. :-)

Zahra Fiarai · Post by **Zahra Fiarai** » Mon May 28, 2001 7:37 am

lol Oh me too me too Alexander
For real, I'm gonna learn german if its the last thing I do

Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Mon May 28, 2001 5:33 pm

yup summer vacation i am getting some books....hopefully. it shouldn't take that long.

Captain Kirk · Post by **Captain Kirk** » Tue May 29, 2001 11:09 am

Hallo

hmm wo brauchen wir im momment ein oder mehrere offizielle gilden ??? wir haben ja schon zuviele spielervereine
ok wenn jetzt einer kommt und sagt er würde gerne eine gilde mit dem namen x machen usw aber auch direkt sagt die soll erst aktiv werden wenn hier mehr leute spelen geht das noch

btw nicht alles was englisch spricht ist schlecht
ich traff hier auch schon auf deutschsprachige power pks und die waren kein deut besser als andere power pks

Bye
Read ya
MfG

Capt. Kirk

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Tue May 29, 2001 11:28 am

Aber gemessen auf die häufigkeit der englisch sprechenden Spieler sind die zwei deutschen ein witz.....und das ist wirklich statistisch erwiesen, hätte ich jetzt fast gesagt...alleine schon die andere Auffassung vom Spielen gegenüber der Anglo wie Amerikaner unterscheidet uns erheblich....

Gilean · Post by **Gilean** » Tue May 29, 2001 6:17 pm

Thou hast within ye's grasp, the undivided attention that is mine. Do what ye will but I shall still be that witch is me. In the dark hours of this age, I feel compelled to answer with a simple yet compelling statement issued from a mind that hast born terrible toils. I am NOT the ingnorant fool that thou has taken me for. I have ability to play the role of witch I portray my self as.

Dax · Post by **Dax** » Tue May 29, 2001 9:30 pm

Everyone should learn German because of Illarion I know I have been!

Not so good yet, Doncha just HATE it when a string suddenly turns German?

Gilean · Post by **Gilean** » Wed May 30, 2001 2:04 pm

They are saying something to the affect that we americans do not know how to speak well, we make up the majority of the pks, turning some guilds official, ect. From what I could glean with my limmited command of the language.

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Wed May 30, 2001 2:22 pm

Isnt it so???

Damn, I wouldnt say something if it werent so....but I dont need to discuss with you guys, in past, we had such things already, and it had no affect....

Dax · Post by **Dax** » Wed May 30, 2001 3:57 pm

Most PK's American?

Well I wouldn't doubt it.. look at the USA and what we have to live in! We are all corrupt! We don't appriciate the simple things most other countries do because we have never gone without. We are a super power.. NEVER fought a war on our soil other than against ourselves "or way back before it was USA"
Sure as hell never been bombed..

It all adds up and goes ot ourhead. We don't appriciate anything and are violent as hell

Ok so I am exaderating a bit, but Yes I see it to hold some truth.

Let's just not get descrimative against US Americans ok?

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Wed May 30, 2001 4:24 pm

Nice nice.....

You really know what I mean, Dax, so dont try to ma a joke out of it....I`ve written, that most UnRPG-Players speak english (´Thats the thing with origin), and also I dont want to piss (isnt there a more nice word with same meaniing, it sound asocial) any US American, so stay down guys, fact is fact, and why it shouldnt be said? That the thing I read out of yours......

Und ihr Deutschen. Lasst jetzt nicht wieder den Schuldkomplex raushängen, es ist nunmal wirklich Fakt mit den Nicht Rollenspielern

A, one thing: I didnt said ALL US-Americans play bull, and I got some nice InGame Friends playing alot (at last along ago cause of the Wave of PK) , who were out of English speaking countries....

Gilean · Post by **Gilean** » Wed May 30, 2001 4:44 pm

I know these facts. Sturm I was not saying the things I said to be mean or because I felt offended. I recognize that these are facts and that they are true. But they are only true so long as you keep it in the right context. By saying most but not all you save yourself from lying. Many of the Americans that I know are great role-players. Dax and I being among them as well as Alexander. I know that I keep my language, to the best that I can, to an in game context. The word with a similar meaning (depending completely on the context you used) to piss could be irk (as in he pissed me off/ he angered me/he irked me/he annoyed me) or urinate (as in the physical act of taking a pee/ I piss on you/I urinate on you).

I am more interested in the official guilds comments you were talking about. I could only understand a fraction of it. If you could please tell me what you were saying about it.

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Wed May 30, 2001 5:03 pm

Ahh, thats just a simple Thing, if you mean my call to Bror, to set some "Guildwatchers" to presafe for Band Criminalty out of RP...Or the other, which was just an action by me, to see, whicht guilds are alive and Active and which not...I want to write about them!

Echnaton · Post by **Echnaton** » Wed May 30, 2001 5:50 pm

There are people who speak English in this game but they are no Americans. There are PKs who speak English but they are no Americans. Ever thought that they could be from GB or any other country but they just don't want to reveal more information about themselves than necessary?
I have met good people and evil people in this game and among them there have been roleplayers and non-roleplayers. I don't think that roleplaying has anything to do with countries - maybe there is a relation between age and rpg.

Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Thu May 31, 2001 2:59 am

well i agree that americans comprise most of the pk's, but i believe that if you check they also comprise most of all people. i can think of many prominent members of society in illarion that speak enligh. i think that the solution is not to eliminate all english speaking people, but to condemn and maybe even harass people why do not role play and to find a solution to take care of pk's. i like the idea of a group of people maybe the gm's who can capture or kill pk's. there are other solutions that do not deprive good people of a game that they have been playing for, in some cases, long periods of time. i do my best to rp and i know that there are many others who rp well. i will not dispute that there are many pk's and i will not dispute that many pk's seem to speak english, but strum you seem to be able to speak english so can damien and almost everyone else. so pk's are not necissarily solely english speakers. i think that we would be best defended by finding a way to block the ip address of people like wanderer/jocas/darkwalker(or whatever his current name is). maybe instead of throwing blame about your efforst would be better used by trying to stop the pk's themselves not just everyone associated with them in anyway(language). what is next most of the pk's are males so the only people that will be left in illarion are the amazons. you, quite frankly, are just being foolish and are lashing out blindly from fear. this might not be what you want to hear, but it is the honest truth. there is a much similar debate that has been going on for years...is it worth killing all people convicted of murder if there is just one innocent person in that group? by eliminating all english speakers you are saying something. there are many similarities between these wo debates. in the capital punishment side they say that if it gets rid of some murderers then it is worth a few innocent lives(which quite frankly if you agree with you are a sick person) and the argument against it is that if there is just one innocent person killed that is too great a price. i say getting rid of all english speaking people is just wrong even if you do get rid of some pk's and that the price of the good and descent rpers is too much to pay to get rid of a few pk's. well i think i have rabmled on enough on my point if there is still any doubt in your mind you obviously have not and probably will not give people who speak english a chance anymore due to a few people with a few dozen characters who go around killing people.

Farlorn · Post by **Farlorn** » Thu May 31, 2001 3:53 pm

I have to agree with that.
Though Sturm didn't mention to "eliminate all english speaking people"... yet Sturm, I consider your point of view to be quite provocant. I met several people who didn't roleplay (I hope I do

) and there were Germans as well as others among them. Indeed the number of Germans was a bit lower, but remember that someone that speaks english isn't automatically an American. I think most foreigners would speak english (Austria and Swiss excepted

), be they French or Japanese or Scottish or whatever. And a german player, too, could let his PK-Char speak english... so please don't talk of statistically proven facts...

By the way, I KNOW the origin of two PKs, one is American, the other one is German...

Farlorn

Jeanderaux · Post by **Jeanderaux** » Thu May 31, 2001 4:59 pm

I have a real problem with what is being said on this page. There is some major talk about discrimination of people based on what language they choose to speak in this game.

I am from the USA and I have never just walked up to and killed another character for no reason. (and the only reason I do have for ever killing someone is that they attacked me first). I have been killed several times by german speaking people.

I believe that anyone who would consider using a scapegoat such as language and American PKs is trying to convince themselves of something about their own self. This type of talk is upsurd.

I also personally know of 2 people who play from time to time that speak Japanese as their first language, but they dont speak german, so they use english in this game.

To all those closed minded individuals who think that english speaking players are the problem--- Grow Up.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu May 31, 2001 5:53 pm

I think that nobody thinks that.
The only fact to keep in mind is just a statistical one : Here, in germany, most people with affordable connection and computer skill are students, meaning they are not that young.
In USA, i think internet access is much cheaper. Germany is one of the countrys with the highest telephone (and internet) costs. Computers are a bit cheaper too. That means, more younger people will enjoy the abilities of internet use. Another thing, the USA has far more people than Germany.
Younger people like games. And some younger people ( aged about 10-16 ) have not that much roleplay experience, or love to be strong, or bully other players sometimes. Means they have not that much respect and not that much behaviour in more cases then older ones. That does count for some other countries too, not only comparing germany and USA. On the other hand, there are some young people who love roleplay and do it pretty well without powergaming or wanna-be-cool-habits.
So this whole discussion only concerns the player's age, not where they come from. See ?

Sturm Feuerklinge · Post by **Sturm Feuerklinge** » Thu May 31, 2001 7:36 pm

Ehm. I think this should be on of the last pos be in this thread, then I dontsaid or meant in ANY way, guys, and there is no need to get up that agressive like some do.

I`m provocating yes, but some hot themes have need to be talkedabout, and I need some inspirations, how to handle.

If you us-american guys feel pissed at your legs now, Iam sorry, but thats niot my fault. I just want to talk about the percentage, which is damn very more higher as equal german one`s, but I see, that there is no way, so it seems to me, to talk about that ones in this community.

If there have been misunderstandings in my threads, iam reallyy sorry, but I want to see you writing everythig, which is not in your home language

Farewell

Alexander · Post by **Alexander** » Fri Jun 01, 2001 3:58 am

i don't agree with language, however i do agree with age with special exceptions for people who prove themselves, but age will not get rid of pk's either. the truth is that eliminating people can not get rid of all pk's. the only thing that i believe can get rid of pk's is making the game miserable for them. i hate to say it but having all names visable without introducing and having screenshots sent to gods@ilarion.de from deletion of all people who pk is the best solution. someone would have to be very determined to create character after character only to pk and be deleted again. which i realize isn't a flawless solution either, but in my opinion it is one of the best next to npc's or gms who can walk around all the time policing the world or atleast the town. people can not give 100% all the time protection. i guess i am saying i don't think that there is much anyone can do about it to prevent pk's, but maybe we can work on a way to get rid of current pk's(without restricting descent players too much).

no hard feelings sturm i realize you just want a solution, but you were lashing wildly there and had to expect a large response.
p.s. sorry if i tended to babble i do that sometimes when i am thinking i let my mind wander where it wishes to go
O O
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Captain Kirk · Post by **Captain Kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:11 pm

Hallo

to make the names permanent visible, make screenshots and then delete them will be not really more usefull coz power pk chars get already deleted

permanent visible names r bad for the game flow
and screenshots r worthless

it is less a language prob than a mind age prob

Bye
Read ya
MfG

Capt. Kirk