hmm...shovel?

Olivia_Gales · Post by **Olivia_Gales** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:37 am

I bought a shovel at the graveyard and i was guessing that meant i had to dig a hole on the grave spots. I tried using shift-click and other such things but they didn't seem to work. It could just be me doing something stupid so I decided I'd ask

Thankee!

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:05 am

Your trying to dig up graves? Any particular reason you character would do this? Seems silly to me but maybe if they were a grave robber I suppose they might. I think that, you should find out about the gaveyard in-game, as theres nothing (to my knowlage) technical about it. I don't think you can dig up anything.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:39 am

I'd imagine she is trying to find the grave yard skeletons.

Faladron · Post by **Faladron** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:54 pm

All alone? A 10 year old child?!
After her dad told her not to stroll around like that?!

Pray to god I don't find out IC

But actualy it should work with shift click shovel then grave, just try all of the graves.

Olivia_Gales · Post by **Olivia_Gales** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:36 pm

Oooh....Emmies in trouble!

I dont think her daddy needs ta know...

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:47 pm

Oh, you really let a 10 year old character (even if this is impossible by the character system) try to dig out graves ?
Sounds pretty intressting.

I am curious about the reasoning behind this, too.

Might help me planning some new dungeons, so they are child/baby "compatible".

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:04 pm

Keikan, she needs to train.

And im curious of what you would put in a child dungeon. Baby Fluffys? Little trolls?

But i like the idea.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:17 pm

A 10 year of child needs to train by fending off undead monsters ?
What a cruel person you are.

That "baby dungeon" was of course a joke, to light up my posting a bit.
I am sorry, that I did not indicate it properly by puting a smily at the end.

Right now entering a dungeon could be motivated by characters greed (loot), adventure lust or simply bad luck when taking the wrong turn somewhere.
At least thats what I imagine when thinking of the current dungeons we have.
I simply don't understand how a 10 year old character willingly tries to open a grave and seek out monsters that might hide there.

And maybe Olivia has a great reason behind this, that even inspires me to create something new.
Who knows?

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:34 pm

I did not say I would make my children fight zombies so they can beat up that idiot at school. Nor would i allow it to happen (the zombie part atleast). But i did say that would be her cause.

I cant say exactly what Lori wants, but i will state why im making Capus fight.
1. His past has been a brutal one and a little bit of defence goes a long way.
2. He doesnt like Emily being stronger then he is

As for the baby dungeon being a joke, i was already picturing baby trolls.

- Joshua

Olivia_Gales · Post by **Olivia_Gales** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:09 pm

Emily does happen to have a rp reason for this, though i'm not sure if she plans on telling anyone soon

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:27 pm

I agree with Keikan and have to add that I'm in general not fond of children be played as warriors.
When you play a child, then play a child okay?

Expected in this case is Rhiannon. She has a wonderful rp behind that all, while Emily just draws her sword and slashes at anyone who encounters her. Think about that.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:39 pm

Mm.. Well i do remember someone playing a child saying they got their first gun at 8 years old so it would be alright for their character to be a warrior.

But enlighten me jen, is it ok for a child to play in heavy crafts such as mining, smithing, and so on in your opinion?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:54 pm

for a ten year old, or even 12? no, not when he isn't a slaveworker. and not even with your strength 17 or whatever ten year old capus.

Keikan Hiru · Post by **Keikan Hiru** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:20 pm

Depends.

I guess farming and smithing (lighting the furnace) would be a very reasonable job for a child.
At the age of 14, they have surely been employed by thier families to help on the fields or in the buissness.

But warrior, explorer, magician aren't that reasonable for your young characters.

Tonkin · Post by **Tonkin** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:55 pm

A lot of this depends on keeping the time period in mind. Remember, the life expentancy was much shorter, so everything happens sooner. Peasant girls were married at 13-15 and young boys became squires and apprentices at around 10. In our current standards people spend more time as children, in Illarion's time period an 18 year old was fully grown with an occupation. It is conceivable that a 10-11 year old was old enough to do some of the harder jobs in the land and definitely a 15 year old.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:59 pm

Galim wrote:for a ten year old, or even 12? no, not when he isn't a slaveworker. and not even with your strength 17 or whatever ten year old capus.

6. I found out recently. -.-'

Well anyways, so a smith smith is a bad thing?
And what about brewer? Until recently I havent a single complaint and it has been on my mind.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:47 pm

People with more muscle mass can endure a strain on those muscles longer than someone with less doing the same operation. Smithing, farming, and mining require long hard work. Brewing, sewing, cooking don't really require all that much. What do you do with brewing, stir a spoon for an hour or so and let things sit? Corking bottles isn't what I'd called physical labor. Also, I would think a slave would have been malnutritioned and the such he probobly would be weaker than someone normal his age.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:50 pm

See, now I always thought slave work would cuase great strength, but i guess you cant make muscel without calories.

Gro'bul · Post by **Gro'bul** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:52 pm

Ziel Oden wrote:See, now I always thought slave work would cuase great strength, but i guess you cant make muscel without calories.

Yes, I think this is the principle behind protein shakes for body builders.

Olivia_Gales · Post by **Olivia_Gales** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:07 pm

Emily just draws her sword and slashes at anyone who encounters her. Think about that.

Emily very rarely fights and I dont think she's ever fought without a reason, she's never slashed her sword in anything but defence and i'm not even sure she's ever attacked someone with her sword. Emily is not a warrior, she has never planned to be, fighting is something she does to collect entrails for making shoes or collect ham for making food. This case is an exception because it has a plot behind it. I do not find Emily to be over agressive or violent in any way, yes Emily was rough in the beginning and I made some mistakes, but she has always wanted to be a druid and that's all. I've considered many times for her to stop fighting altogether, but I just end up with the no one wants to sell her ham problem

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:31 pm

I do not find Emily to be over agressive or violent in any way, yes Emily was rough in the beginning and I made some mistakes, but she has always wanted to be a druid and that's all.

Not over aggressive?
Remember slashing your sword at Thalgul? Yes, you had a reason.
But when I would be a child and hear about a grown up who beat up and (assumingly) kills children, I would piss in my pants meeting him! And not draw my sword and slash at him.

Next example: Drathe at the harbor.

Sorry, hun, but Emily IS over aggressive for a child.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:38 pm

Nah I wouldent. See when I was what I am now, im too fat to run so I would try and kill him.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:54 pm

Nah I wouldent. See when I was what I am now, im too fat to run so I would try and kill him.

not as a child.

Olivia_Gales · Post by **Olivia_Gales** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:57 pm

Either way, being agressive is a real trait, I don't see why she's autimaticaly a bad character because of that. You may not know, but this was not the first time Emily had met Thalgul. He had kidnapped her and hurt her badly and was now holding her best friend captive. If you were in her place would you not be upset? angry? hurt? Emily was very mixed up, she thought he had killed her friend and at that point Capus was the best part of her life (he still is

) she was so upset she didn't care anymore and she attacked him, because he was the only person she could take her anger out on, the person she hated the most. Drathe would be extremely scary to a child I do have to admit, but she only hit him when he said he would sell her. Emily had heard stories from Capus about being sold and was mortified by the thought, (Emily is super gullible that's why she believed Drathe

) I do agree most children would run away, but some children wouldn't. Emily has blamed the losses and injuries of all her friends on herself because she wasn't their to help them. Emily was scared to death of Thalgul, she was horrified of drathe, but she wanted so badly to not show she was scared and to for once stop something from going wrong. Emily is on her third set of parents. She has lost many friends. She has watched people die. This seems normal on Illarion, but think of it in real life, wouldn't it be traumatic? Don't you think by now Emily would be hurt? don't you think she would be changed?Sorry this is so long.....

Dravish · Post by **Dravish** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:57 pm

Capus fighting Dravish

But its all a learning curve

Live and let die and all that.

Edit : 1

To make it slightly more on topic,, children in ye olden days, were often abandoned to look after thierselves in the streets. And left to bring money to thier families.

Gangs and such roaming the desolate streets.. But the difference between hitting someone with a stick, and running about in plate armour, are quite different.

Gwynnether · Post by **Gwynnether** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:11 pm

If you were in her place would you not be upset? angry? hurt?

I would be afraid.

And concerning Drathe:
When Emily was afraid why did she attack? Why?
When I'm afraid I'm running away and don't attack someone.

Olivia_Gales · Post by **Olivia_Gales** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:24 pm

Then maybe there is something you are forgetting Gwyn. Emily is Emily you are you she is different i'm sick of arguing because we can't come to an agreement. I am no perfect roleplayer, but her personality is not the cause of that. Different people react differently and that's all.

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:53 pm

Galim wrote:
Nah I wouldent. See when I was what I am now, im too fat to run so I would try and kill him.
not as a child.

Im 12. Last i checked that means im an irresponsiable little brat. Childish aintith I?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:57 pm

we wont start now to speak about you and your mental situation. but just because you would react so doesnt mean others would do. i am pretty sure they wouldn't <_<

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:02 pm

Again with you and calling me insane. Stop it already.