Magical Correspondances

Ziel Oden · Post by **Ziel Oden** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:30 pm

LOL! But seriously, do we REALY need all that?

Mempriclus · Post by **Mempriclus** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:30 pm

Why not, if you want to perform a ritual in real life you have to select your time of year, month, week, day.

You need to pick the right colour candles and the right objects to represent the elements and the right objects to symbolise the spell and you need to invoke the correct entity and you need to say the correct words and you need to perform the right gestures and you etc etc

Why cant we have this kind of complexity in-game?

It would certainly make someone who is a mage feel more like a mage that is delving into the mysteries of the art rather than someone who is going alt - click - click.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:33 pm

I just wanted to tell you that it is not official and not really true as long as Damien or someone other like Nanuk didn't give his OK.

You can use it, but as a player you should never forget that the belief or the theory your character has is not true IG. not as long as someone like Damien says "Hey, thats good, I accept it"

Maliss · Post by **Maliss** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:39 pm

Maliss is a magician I rp him as an old and some what talented one. The trick is simply not to try and trample on peoples role-play, should you engage him on a magical discussion you may find him entirely incorrect but he can back it all up. At the same time he is not running around summoning demons and expecting you to play along.
Mempriclus,
Your idea is a good one, two ways i would approach it one to PM Damian and initiate dialogue with the creator. Two start a group in game and begin spreading your tradition around.
Simple fact is people are never going to all like one idea, and although moonsilver is the back ground of our game. Unless your german fluent your exposure is minimal. I look forward to the new moonsilver I am sure it will do a lot to unify our collective beliefs. This does not mean we all have to believe it though.
A medieval world information was scarce common belief was it was flat. Trust me even the "truth" need not be taken as fact.

i mean, the chars all seem to know too much when they come to this "new land

Hadrian although coming to a new land they did not in fact fall from the sky, the gods and there nature would be well known to any man or women not born in a barn. A brief browse through the town wall can bring you up to date with the islands politics. I see no reason people should rp there characters as informationally challenged on arrival. Maliss did what any smart man would and informed himself from all sources available.

if you decide to have or play something other than damien and others decided in the new moonsilver, you need a good rp explanation.

I am not Catholic, do i need a good explanation for not following the holy church of Rome. When you look into Esoteric/Occult knowledge in both the real and fictional world. One see's that healers and magicians attribute different affects to herbs, colors and constellations depending on what tradition they learnt.
I do not see that having an accept "reality" for players to use and bring us all to a common ground. Would in any way hinder my character following his own tradition or training?

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:44 pm

I meant more parts about culture, races and so on. Of Course you can beliefe whatever you want. But if you start and says "No, for me orcs are aliens came to the world by a galactic tourism group" and play him like that you need damn damn daaaamn good rp explanations

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:48 pm

Oh, and Maliss, no one has such a body (points to avatar) and is old. Just a notice.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:50 pm

an elf does

Maliss · Post by **Maliss** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:51 pm

old as in some thousand years under his belt. Its magic body regeneration I will bottle and sell it...to intergalatic orcs mostly i fear.

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:52 pm

Not even an elf, trust me, have you ever looked at De'am and Tzi? You'll know what I mean. =P

Ghorn · Post by **Ghorn** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:53 pm

do you mean the force of gravity of a few thousand years infected their boobs?

Misjbar · Post by **Misjbar** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:55 pm

Heh, not only their boobs.

Anyhow, I just want to mention, a lot of those points I have already pointed out Maliss. Just to let you know I suppose. For instance, there were some groups of people in the Renaissance (yes, the Renaissance) who believed bathing was evil. So, draw your conclusions. I even have a source on that here somewhere. If you desperately need it I shall post a link and the article itself.

Galim · Post by **Galim** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:57 pm

But Elves never look old. Not even their boobs ore body.

NirAntae · Post by **NirAntae** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:03 pm

Galim wrote:I meant more parts about culture, races and so on. Of Course you can beliefe whatever you want. But if you start and says "No, for me orcs are aliens came to the world by a galactic tourism group" and play him like that you need damn damn daaaamn good rp explanations

But all Mempriclus was trying to do, from my understanding, is take the existing Moonsilver information, and add to it, embellish on it, make it more full and 'realistic' and easier to access. He even listed Moonsilver as one of his big sources. It sounds like the only thing in effect really being said is 'Damien did it first, so Damien is the only one who has anything worthwhile to say'. Now I realize this may not be the actual intent of the posts, but it's disheartening to see this game that is so rich and full, that allows so much direct player involvement... and then have people smacked down and told they have nothing worthwhile to say, just because someone else did something like that first.

Anyway... I'll get off my soapbox before I **** someone off.

Delakaniam · Post by **Delakaniam** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:17 am

Misjbar wrote:Not even an elf, trust me, have you ever looked at De'am and Tzi? You'll know what I mean. =P

Hmm? I never even realized or ever thought they looked old at all. Not physically anyway. It's the kind of old that is old in time and age, but not old in digression of physical condition....

And yes, the current books scattered amongst the ingame bookshelves are quite.... "old" themselves, and as said before, not necessarily in the physical way (^^).

Also, I don't think the meaning is that Damien's word on the histories is the one-and-only and absolute final. So far, this is only what it seems like because firstly, Damien is one of the number of those who created much of the original history to Illarion. Therefore, he probably knows a lot about it.

Secondly, I'm very certain Damien has drawn both information and suggestions from others, staff and players alike. However, it only makes sense that many ideas might be channeled into his writings, since a helter-skelter quilt of ideas from different people would be rude chaos. Moonsilver (including more than just Damien working on it) is simply this sifter and collector.

YOUR job.... is to find a way to propose ideas -- good, well-thought-out ideas -- to those in charge of the history, IC facts, and so forth, without getting to the point of annoying

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Llama · Post by **Llama** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:32 pm

@ Maliss > the gods are beleived in by the people.. if you read historian's texts you;ll notice that for example the romans found the celt's beleifs crazy and wiered... so if you move a roman to northern britian, he wouldn't know how to start off...

Maliss · Post by **Maliss** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:11 pm

If you read moonsilver you will also come to know that we have come this island due to the difficulties inhabiting mainland.

Moonsilver said

Most of the old great cities and many other places formerly inhabited by people of all races were destroyed, none of them do exist anymore and no one attempted to rebuild them. Mistrust between the races existed everywhere.

It was this reason that led the early settelers to seek out the island and encounter that ancient culture that dwelled there. The gods are not of the island nor does the island have a surviving culture of its own not brought from the main land.
So where as your character may not be familar with X god or custom or any of them if you play a bumpkin. I see no reason characters destined to be played with intellegence should not arrived armed with knowledge.
More over many people have left the island to go to the mainland, both on journeys and to ((exit the game)). As such I may have had many chances to ask about the island from numerouse sources prior to Arival.
Etc,Etc

Moonsilver is actually sketchy at best any way and even with that resource many players dont inform themselves about the gods and the world they are entering.
Such we have just proved...

Ghorn · Post by **Ghorn** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:19 pm

Old Moonsilver is outdated

Maliss · Post by **Maliss** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:25 pm

Yes it is, how ever i suspect the points raised are still valid. Most importantly being many new players dont bother to read it any way or if they do only quickly.
As such we dont need to think or discuss removeing it as Hadrian suggested. Those who enjoy that level of immersion will read it those who dont wont. People who like to dig that deep would surf the forums from page 1 while waiting for acct acceptance.
So why not leave them moonsilver,
As Hadrians views show even with "information" characters opinions and understandings still vary hugely.

Nanuk · Post by **Nanuk** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:44 am

I don't quite understand where the problem is. If you think that the background story is lacking than just get started. Collect your ideas, write something down and get in contact with Damien. If you think that the story team doesn't do their job, get involved and take over. If you think that through this you are unable to move anything, set up your own webpage and contact Alatar to get a link on your site.
There are numerous ways to do something. This is no McDonalds Set Menu you have to cook yourself.
By the way, originally the background story was intended to be sketchy, thus enabeling the players to fill in the holes with the culture of their characters. You have quite a lot of space to move around. Use it to your own advantage.

And just out of curiosity, where exactly is Moonsilver outdated

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Maliss · Post by **Maliss** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:30 am

And just out of curiosity, where exactly is Moonsilver outdated

In small ways like it still lists demonolgy as a profession. Of course i only have acess to the english version. I find it a wonderful site and I love the inspiration and spirit it was created with.
Apparently it is being rewritten and i look forward to seeing it. How ever most of my thoughts have been it is good the way it is.

I will wait for this much spoken of update before putting my foot in my mouth and speaking further.

Nanuk · Post by **Nanuk** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:11 am

Thanks for the compliment even though I definitly wasn't fishing for it

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Concerning the demonology, it was set up there because in the first version of the new magic system this would have been a profession. As I was gone for about six months, I am not sure if it is still part of it. Hehe, besides I like the text and I would be reluctened to take it away.
From a roleplaying point of view being a demonologist would still be relevant even though there would be no technical implementation of it. But we can discuss if it might be better suited under the God Moshran.

Maliss wrote:I will wait for this much spoken of update before putting my foot in my mouth and speaking further.

Ok, this is bad, as it will be a two step update. The first step being the German part. So the English speaking community will have to wait a little longer. Sorry.

Nanuk