SMACC - price list

Fenrir Kriegswolf · Post by **Fenrir Kriegswolf** » Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:45 pm

Entschuldigt bitte das vom oberen Pergament der Rest fehlt. Da habe ich es wohl zu dicht an die Kerze gehalten.

Ich wollte nur kund tun, dass ich mir die Liste nun genauer angesehen habe und feststellen musste das sie mir noch nicht so ganz ausreichend ist. Einige der Preise halte ich für viel zu hoch, andere wiederum könnten noch ein wenig angehoben werden. Einige Dinge sind nicht einmal auf der Liste. Den Preis für Windtrank, würde ich mindestens verdreifachen und gleichzeitig die herstellung erschweren.

Friede sei mit euch

Fenrir

Sir Aragonius · Post by **Sir Aragonius** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:33 pm

Ordensbruder Fenrir,

ihr sprecht mir aus der Seele!

Gibt es einen Kandidaten der diese Position vertritt und dessen Lebenswandel eine Wahl rechtfertigt?

Gruß Aragonius

___________________________

I agree with Fenrir, that some of the smacc-prices are too low.

Is there any integer candidate in this election that shares this idea?

Yours

Aragonius

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:20 pm

Hmm... Ich scheine ja ein Kandidat der Wahl zu sein, so wie es ausschaut..*grübel.. Wenn ich mich doch nur erinnern könnte. Leider hab ich zur Zeit mit ein paar persönlichen persönlichen Problemen zu kämpfen, weshlab ich das Thema wohl erstmal etwas zur Seite stellen muß. Ich werd mir auch überlegen müssen, dass, wenn sich der Zustand nicht bessert, ob ich nicht leiber von der Kandidatur nehmen sollte.

Ansonsten, soweit ich mich wieder reingelesen hab, stimme ich (weiter) der SMACC zu.
Zu dem, was der Herr Fenrir Kriegswolf, wer auch immer er sein möge, sagt, so sollen doch eben solche Fragen durch den SMACC-Rat geregelt werden. Oder?

*grübel

mfg.

Lennier

Snoopy de Buz · Post by **Snoopy de Buz** » Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:38 pm

Ist diese Liste eigendlich irgendwo Online zu sehen oder nur hier im Forum?

Francesca · Post by **Francesca** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:41 pm

#me walks to the board and looks at this funny talk about SMACC. After some giggles while reading she takes a sheet of paper and a writing feather out of her bag and begins to write:

"Maybe you guys and girls think it's the right way to put up some basic prices. But that's NOT my opinion. I always traded the way I wanted to, and I won't stop. Maybe you think I act against the gods ... but can you proove it? And what's this about Damien? You think I fear him? I knew him for long and I don't know what kind of camel he was riding when he thought about this nonsense!? And last but not least don't try to stop me doing it my way!"

She pins the sheet right in front of the others and walks away ...

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 12:45 pm

Noone will ever stop you from that, Francesca.
The camel i was riding, is the following :
Many, many merchants and druids were complaining that we have no minimal prices. Young ones have the best equipment in the first five to ten minutes. People throw expensive things away, so everyone can collect them...
The matter of fact is : Many people complained, but noone moved a single finger to make it better. So i simply started a trial. If you do not like it, get elected into the SMACC council, and make it better. SMACC will be ran by the people, by the merchants. It's that simple.

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:35 pm

Maybe if the Council of Seven flies, we could merge the two into a type of government.
Err... I feel stupid asking this, but has anyone been elected yet?
15 gold for a mana potion is ridiculous, and so is 20 gold for a windpotion.

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:38 pm

A government!

nono I wont go!

overthrow the UN!

#me holds up a sign
"we need a government like we need a hole in the head!"

BOOO!

thumbs down.....

Sand · Post by **Sand** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:09 pm

That is an insult to the Council of Seven Erdrick,do not insult it becuase you are not in it.And the council of Seven was made to give good advice and now everyone has made it out like it was made to make laws and so forth and it wasn't.

Francesca · Post by **Francesca** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:59 pm

@ Damien:

I don't care about SMACC and that "Council Of Seven"! And I don't want to be member!
Maybe my prices will be in your limits, maybe not! I don't care at all!

@ Sand:

As long as there are ONLY advices it doesn't matter to me. But if there are laws I will do everything I am able to prevent them.

Emhyr van Emreis · Post by **Emhyr van Emreis** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:25 pm

Greetings!

Francesca, I really don't have time to write a long argumentation here, but just one thing: don't you see that for a community to function there need to be some basic rules to which everybody has to more or less abide? Just as a community needs rules to function, an economy needs them. You may of course act just as you want to, but that is against the basic rule of economy. As you might know, the old rule ((manchester capitalism, was a real crappy mess)) "Everybody should do what is best for him" was overthrown ((by John Nash I believe)) and transformed into: "Everybody should do what results in a maximum of good for himself AND good for the community". Now SMACC is trying to get just that maximum figured out and written down so that everybody may have access to it. Anarchy is not a decent solution.
Maybe someday you'll see it. Maybe you already have given it much thought and come to some conclusions. But from the posts I have read from you it seems to me like you have not really thought and discussed much about SMACC (nor the council) and you are just against it because it is inconvenient. Not a very social and nice way of being, I must say.
Again, I might err in this conclusion. Correct me if this is so.

Francesca · Post by **Francesca** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 10:57 pm

ah, do you really think so?

my basic rules:

1. The strong wins, the weak dies.

2. All the silver for me.

3. The market sets the price.

4. I am the market

And I always made most enough profit that way!

Maybe I should build up a merchant colony right out of Troll's Bane!
Maybe a black market

((OOC[although I hate it]: I don't sell to newbies cause they can't afford my prices ... I mostly buy and sell in ranges of 500 items and more ... so please don't start that discussion again ...))

Sir Aragonius · Post by **Sir Aragonius** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 2:07 pm

#me grins

brave Lady...but a little strange I think....doens't matter - it's funny

Sand · Post by **Sand** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 3:23 pm

@Francesca:
listen i am new and rich and strong as you get but what you say is not right,you need to protect new people,they are the upcoming generation,if we just stand back adn let them all die then there wont be an illarion left!prices may be high for newbs and sincei am not in SMACC i will sell the cheapest price i can becuase it is not right to make newbs moneyless for as you said it is just not fair they dont have anything

Francesca · Post by **Francesca** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 9:20 pm

#me looks at the board and starts to giggle again

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 10:01 pm

Sand I can barely read what you're scribbling, but I think I pulled my name out of one of the last notes...
I do not even know you, please do not pull a Lloyd.

Francesca · Post by **Francesca** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:15 pm

Erdrick, tell me, is the Silverstar Merchant Guild member, part or somewhere else corresponding to SMACC?

Sir Malasan · Post by **Sir Malasan** » Sat Apr 27, 2002 10:21 pm

Ähm, könnte mir mal einer die Smacc Liste ins deutsche übersetzen? Das meiste erklärt sich zwar von selbst, dennoch habe ich ein paar Sachen die ich nicht so ganz verstehe... Wäre echt nett.

Sir Malasan · Post by **Sir Malasan** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:33 am

Da mein guter Freund Ishan so gut war und mir die Liste auf deutsch übersetzt hat und ich hörte einige eine deutsche Liste suchen, veröffentliche ich die hier mal:

Schwerter und Dolche :
Behander: 250 G
Feuerschwert : 200 G
Normales Langchwert(stahl) : 100 G
Normales Breitschwert (weis) : 100 G
Kurzschwert : 70 G
Dünner Dolch : 60 G
Scharfer Dolch : 40 G
Billiger Dolch (weisser Dolch, die beim Zonbie gefunden werden) : 20 G

Äxte und Schlagwaffen :
Grosse Kriegsaxt : 200 G
Grosser Kriegshammer : 180 G
Doppelaxt (vom Dämon) : 150 G
Langaxt : 130 G
Morgenstern : 120 G
Streitkolben mit Holzgriff : 50 G

Shields :
Ritterschild: 250 G
Löwenschild : 200 G
Rundes Metall Schild: 80 G
Buntes Metall Schield : 80 G
SchwarzWeißes Metallschild : 70 G
Weisses Metallschild : 60 G
Holzschild: 20 G

Rüstung und Klamotten :
Platenpanzer : 500 G
Kettenpanzer : 300 G
Ritterstiefel : 150 G
Ritterhandschuhe : 150 G
Ritterhelm : 150 G
Voll Helm : 120 G
Ketten Helm : 100 G
Halber Helm : 90 G
Gehörnter Helm (Stahl) : 80 G
Gehörnter Helm (Blau) : 40 G
Gehörnter Helm (von den Zombies) : 20 G
Volle Hardlederrüstung : 250 G
Halbe Lederrüstung: 150 G
Volle Hardlederhose

: 150 G
Halbe Hartleder Hose : 100 G
Jagdrüstung (grün) : 70 G
Lederharrnisch : 50 G
Robe : 150 G
Zauberhut, 2 farbig : 200 G
Zauberhut, ein Farbig : 150 G
Leder Stiefel : 80 G
Leder Handschuhe : 60 G
Cape : 30 G
Hut : 20 G
Leder schuhe : 15 G
Hosen: 10 G
Shirt : 5 G

Distanz Waffen :
Bogen : 100 G
Armbrust : 150 G
1 Wurfspeer: 5 G
1 Wurf Stern : 5 G
1 Arrow 1 G
1 Bolzen : 1 G
1 Windpfeil : 3 G (so teuer da sie von sniper genutzt werden)

Stäbe :
Zauberstab (mit totenkopf) : 180 G
Kampfstab, mit Klingen : 80 G
Schwererstab, rot oder blau : 50 G
Verschiedene Stäbe (die besser aussehne) : 15-20 G
einfacher stab : 10 G
natur stab (w. hand-shaped branches at end) : 5 G

Getränke (Tavernen namen in Klammen) :
Gift (Bier) : 8 G
leichter Heiltrank(Wein) : 6 G
Sattmacher (Elfen wein) : 10 G
Mana Potion (Blauer Wein): 10 G
Starker Heiltrank: 15 G
Windtrank: 15 G (da von sniper benutzt so teuer)

Essen :
Trauben : 0,5 G
Äpfel : 0,5 G
Kirschen : 0,5 G
Erdbeere: 0,5 G
Grauer Fisch : 1 G
Forlle: 2 G
Fleich, toh : 2 G
Fleisch, geräuchert : 3 G
Brot : 4 G
Brötchen : 3 G
Kuchen : 7 G

Ressourcen :
Erbeeren: 0,5 G
Knolenschwammpilz: 1 G
Rotköpfchen: 3 G
Fliegenpilz: 0,5 G
Firnis : 1 G
Donf : 3 G
Wüstenhimmel Kapsel: 2 G
Sand beere: 4 G
Leder: 1 G
Kohle : 1 G
Eisen : 1 G
Holz : 2 G
Korn: 1 G
Kohl: 1 G
Mehl : 1 G
Teig: 2 G
Wolle (vom Schaf) : 0,5 G
Wolle(weiterverarbeitet) : 1 G
Stoff: 2 G
garn: 1 G
Roher Diamant: 8G
roher Topaz : 7 G
rohe andere Edelsteine: 6 G
Diamant : 15 G
Topaz : 12 G
Andere Edelsteine : 10 G
Gold Nugget : 25 G

Rings and golden items
Diamant Ring : 250 G
Topaz Ring : 220 G
anderer Ring mit edelstein : 200 G
Krone : 150 G
Einfacher Ring : 120 G
Goldener Kelch : 100 G

andere items :
Bücher 50 G
Silber Barren 250 G
Metall Kelch : 20 G
Werkzeuge : 10 G
Harfe : 250 G
Laute : 200 G
Horn : 50 G
Metal stern Ammulet : 40 G
Grünes Amulett : 40 G
Leere Flasche : 4 G

SUPER VIELEN DANK ISHAN!!!!!!
sir Malasan

Woems · Post by **Woems** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 2:40 am

Danke für die Übersetzung der SMACC:)

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 4:21 pm

Francesca, our guild has no relation to SMACC. I would say, that if they set standard prices that were low, most people would agree to raise their prices a bit higher. But when you set standards that are correspondent to the value of the item, then it ruins it.
I see your point, Francesca. I am trying to get elected to make this change. I am sure you agree with my statement.

Killgore · Post by **Killgore** » Sat May 04, 2002 2:30 am

(Edited by Killgore at 2:32 am on May 4, 2002)

Turin Ironhammer · Post by **Turin Ironhammer** » Sun May 05, 2002 1:14 am

Emhyr van emreis I hope I spelled your name right. There is one thing you should know about your idea of smacc and how it will save the econimy. It won't plane and simple. Infact it will do mare harm then good. Think about it. If everyone sold every thing at the same price then the only people who would make any money would be large groups. Like the silverstar merchants. smaller groups or single people would not make any money because evey one would buy from the large group because it is eazier. Which would mean smaller groups or single people like myself would not make any money. But with compititive prices people will then buy from the cheapest group or single person. So the only way people like myself can hope to make any money at all is to have lower prices. And not to mention the fact that if there is compitition between businesses then that helps to stimulate the econimy. Think about it. If I were to have a sale on old armor say 50% percent of then people would come to buy it because they know it is a good deal. But if every day every thing is sold at the same price then there is no stimulation in the econimy. So personally I think Smacc will be the end of the Econimy in illarion. But thats just me.

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Sun May 05, 2002 2:02 am

I do agree, as did lasukie....

but!

this is a first chance, and I want to see it through, maybe these people can learn from thier mistakes, until further notice I am smacc 100%

Erdrick · Post by **Erdrick** » Sun May 05, 2002 2:58 pm

@Turin: SMACC in my opinion IS being a threat toward every group in Illarion which sell things.
You are right, with the prices there is now, there will be no price changes, and all of our things HAVE to be high-priced, or else SMACC starts bothering us. That's why I want to lower the prices, not make a STANDARD price, but a minimum price. Say, the SMACC price for fireswords is 200. Now, if you want to sell for 150, you're in trouble. I would lower the "standard price" to 90 gold, so the low-sellers can sell for less realistic prices, and the roleplayers can sell for their 185 gold or whatever they want it to be. So, we improve the economy (No crap like, - Platemail for 10 gold... Full sets of armor for 40 gold...) AND we give a huge gap between minimum and the roleplay level.
So, ELECT ERDRICK for SMACC and YOU can finally have your
prices the way you want them!

P.S.: Looks like the Council of Seven members don't want me in, they want other people, but that all depends on Zeratul. If I get elected into both, I will be pretty busy, so don't expect me in town as often!

(Edited by Erdrick at 1:45 pm on May 6, 2002)

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Mon May 06, 2002 7:43 am

Well hi there peoples been awhile but im back and heres what i have to say bout SMACC.
this is just plain stupid to me for there is one way to solve all of this but it requires the gods help. Everything and i do mean EVERYTHING must become harder to get! say wood for example who the heck do you know in any time period that can chop down a tree in one hit!!!
(( exculding bible characters and such so dont spam me on this )) but anyway. make everything twice to three times as harder to get and i guarente that people will start to sell things for more because they have to work harder to get it! come on lets make a platemail ((which only the most richest people in midevil times could get )) to bout 10 silver! the way it should be or more!

so in short bror any other programers i can think of this late at night think about this because it just might solve all these problems and make illarion a better place to live.

see ya all laters

Rhiko · Post by **Rhiko** » Mon May 06, 2002 2:33 pm

hay ERdrick,i had more votes than ye but i think yo uwin now becuase i t was me and you left,but now i havean anouncement,the way it is being to poor in money and waek newbs,i am resigning from the SMACC council and from SMACC,i am sory i just can't steaal so much money per item from anymore people,as Ganon i hope people realize how SMACC is so wrong to new people

Lennier · Post by **Lennier** » Mon May 06, 2002 3:53 pm

@Damien.

Leider mußte ich feststellen, dass mein Name trotz mehrfacher Anfragen bisher nicht auf der Liste der Smacc-Mitglieder steht. Als Druide und Schreinermeister, sowie auch als einer der Kandidaten des Wahlkampfes, wäre das doch wirklich langsam angebracht.
Also bitte ich euch darum, die Liste auf einen neueren Stand zu bringen.

Danke.

Sir Gannon · Post by **Sir Gannon** » Mon May 06, 2002 4:34 pm

i dont think SMACC is wrong for new people, its just my idea will stop all of this. Please gods think it over

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Mon May 06, 2002 7:31 pm

I wish to resign from SMACC because it is not functioning as I originally thought. If I sell for SMACC prices, and someone else sells for cheap prices, I get no business, and I am not permitted to do anything about it. I will sell for my prices now, not as cheap as some of those others out there, but selling for the SMACC prices is absurd. It may not be absurd if you did something to ensure our business instead of sitting back and watching others ruin us. Maybe I will join again someday when I can be assured of my sales, but that time is clearly not now.

By the way: I would have voted for you Erdrick, but I cant now that I am gone.

Good luck.